Can these really make any profit to anyone (except those with free electricity)?
Even more so: Can any asic make any profit to the common man? Since they have been used by manufacturer/reseller to "test" (mined for months), before shipping.
And thus driving the difficulty to the moon, which will drive the hardware more or less useless...
Any opinions about this?

Yeah, people should look the bigger picture and for the long run.

I think people should focus more about GPU's power efficiency/khash.
Better to have multiple GPU's that use less power and produce relatively more kh/s, than have
less GPU's an more kh/s with multiple times more power-consumption.

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I see two payouts/day. But if I select "resolution = 1day", I don't see those two payout added together.
What I try to say is that if I get a payout at 08:00 0,01BTC and 20:00 0,01BTC looking at 1h-resolution,
then if I select day-resolution I don't see 0,02BTC as payout for that day.

Will:
Any chance to modify your great stats by tweaking the payout-stats so that
it wouldn't count the 2x/day payments wrong?
I mean when I get 0.018 + 0.017 = 0.035, the stats show 0.01xxx for the days income.

I see the hashrate go up! So something is wrong on eu-side.
Could you PW check it please? 

My hashrate has fallen to bellow 4mh/s from +6mh/s,  eu-server.
Now shifting to useast. Will report more after good night sleep.

Hmm... You ask a lot, maybe better to read, google and study than try to ask all imaginable questions here? There will be many questions that you don't
understand to ask before you read more about this subject.
Even so I try to reply, but do search more info and do come and ask more when you are more "in" to this.
Here it goes:

Keep your wallet off your rig that uses usb-stick for hd! Use your computer and maybe paper wallet... (Google this)

Litecoin BAMT is ready to use, if in trouble search google. Don't know about teamviewer (google this), you can use ssh thru xrdp from your computer to access your rig. Some pools notify when low hash-speed.

Don't know this for sure (google this), but I doubt this. Why use splitters, when they cost as much as MB and you will also need another PSU?

I think that in BAMT/SMOS you can't under-/over-volt GPU's (search google)

Just plug and play, if your USB has been written correctly. Sometimes you have to search for the good quality-stick. (Search google)


As you can see it will save time for you and the people that reply to you, if you search the google first!

Use LitecoinBAMT. It is better than SMOS because SMOS automatically mines for 15mins for the account of the "developer", who
really haven't developed BAMT much at all. And who knoes what else will your miningrig do with SMOS...
LitecoinBAMT is scrypt-ready just like SMOS.

Why UPS? I would not put my money on UPS, unless there are VERY big generator allso outside that auto-starts on power-out + also BIG mining-farm.




I have four GPU's 3x5850 and 1x7850 on one MB with 4Gb of ram. They work just fine, and only 2Gb is used.



Yep, you can use usb-risers,, but traditional will do the same. Especially when you're putting your first-three GPU's. There aren't such big distances to the motherboard.
You won't need those leds, but an powerswitch would be nice if you dont want to re-start or force-boot your rig by screwdriver.


I must admit that I don't know anything about this error. What is it and where does it come from, and only windows?

Wow, the payout looking good. 0,015/mh!
The stats page shows a different figure (0.00849307), maby it depends where the calculations
start,  since two different timed payouts? Or WAFFLEStats being wrong?

Yeah, might be so. I just have had very bad experiences with boards over 4 pci-e slots. Today I'd hope that I never had tried. But I'm planning to soon.

Well light is a form of energy, it is basically form of radiation. It just has very low-energy density, and cannot penetrate objects, not partly or fully.
Like x-rays go partially thru human body, but stops into lead-sheet. And gamma-rays go thru anything and everything.

So electricity have been transformed in to light, you are correct. But this isn't the case with the micro-processors.
Information can't be measured as an physical unit, it doesn't have mass or anything that can take the energy that could be imaginable.
So everything turns in to heat.

And energy efficiency of lightning surfaces have been improving but it's nowhere near 90% efficiency.
If you compare led or fluorescent-tubes to light-bulb they consume 80% less energy to give the same amount of light.
It doesn't mean that 90% of the energy is transformed into light. Just touch the fluorescent-tube or led, they are still quite warm.
Powerful led's can still burn your fingers. And heating anything takes lots of energy.

Just face it, the world today is very inefficient when it comes to use of any sort of energy.

I've read allmost the whole thread thru and would like to ask a question that has been asked around, so to speak.
Is it possible to use: MSI Z77A-G45 - Socket 1155 - Chipset Z77 - ATX
And all of it's 7 pci-e slots for mining with linux-distro (ubuntu or alike).

Thank you for your answers in advance.

It seems that people here are asking about different coins and their compatibility wit cudaMiner.
Isn't cudaMiner Scrypt-based, so that it could be used with multipool etc.? Just a check before
I run into store and buy my card.

Well, electricity is a wicked thing.
All of it will transform 100.0000% in to heat.

To mix your brain a little more:
Electrical outlets have three wires L-GND-N
L=live
GND=ground
N=neutral

Electricity "waits" in the L when some machine that allows the electricity
to flow from L to N, like computer is plugged in.
The thing that is really mystifying is that the same current that leaves the L-wire goes to your computer and back along the N-wire.
So how is the electricity consumed?

Everything above is 100% true, just had to write it since this is being really foolish: yes but no, but yes but no chitchat.

Possible to add automated-payout time in the stat-page of miners own stats? (What a sentence, but I leave it like that since this isn't my native language)
What I try to suggest is a way to divide the BIG withdraw in to many other smaller withdrawals.
Maybe there could be different times of withdrawal, like 01:00, 03:00, 05:00, 07:00, 09:00, 11:00, 13:00, 15:00, 17:00, 19:00, 21:00, 23:00
Also those multiple times for withdrawal could be used without any "instant-payout"-buttonm on the stats page. Could that make
the withdrawals faster?
And to make things simpler, miners shouldn't be able to influence their withdrawal-time. This way you could separate the huge withdrawal
into 12 smaller.


PS. my withdrawal of 0.3btc came out in 3mins today from Cryptsy (not poolwaffle thou)

Do 6 rigs. 3 cards per rig.
PSU min.1000w golden/platinum efficiency, could use two 750w powers also but considering you are noob, I wouldn't start with two PSU. Google this.
Undervolt your GPU's. Google this.
Ram 4-8Gb 1333 DDR3 /rig
HDD: NO hdd use litecoinBAMT and usb-stick. Google this

Remember to use only two rigs behind one fuse. So you need at least 3 individual supply-lines from your fusebox to your rigs.
See that there is no other load behind those fuses.
You will need allso risers for your GPUs and a case of some sort. Google this

No. To put it simple processor is an copper wire. Through that copper wire electrons travel which is called electric current.
The copper wire is very very thin and any current is big enough to heat those wires.
Transistors inside the core direct voltage (and thus current) to different routes, depending on how much the processor is
used at the moment. So the MAX electricity consumed = TDP
You are right on one thing heat is ALWAYS side product of any electrical product. Think electrical engines an their efficiency.