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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Merkle Tree Has Any Cons? on: November 25, 2022, 08:48:26 AM
And, I cannot elaborate futher because it is come from a offline meeting, some guests said so, them though they don't want others know about their transactions from Merkle Tree, because assets or property are belong to them, I guess it is like people don't want to be so transperant.

One possible assumption would be they have privacy concern with SPV/lighweight wallet where the node/server could know list of their address based on returned merkle tree.

Merkle Trees are just binary trees of transaction hashes. Each branch contains two other child branches, and the leaves contain a single transaction. The root merkle hash is what is included in a mined block. I am unaware of any techniques that can be applied on Merkle trees that could result in unauthorized transactions being mined.

So it is a proof of real transactions then.

In short, yes. Although it's more accurate to say merkle tree is used as proof the transaction is included inside certain block.

Oh~ Got it. That's a much better explaination.



Have you got a link?

A merkle root tree is a data structure. It contains checksums but isn't proof or anything except the data transfer itself being transferred without corruption.


Just a offline meeting, some guests said so, so I am wondering if it is true.


It might be that they meant something else and just used merkle root as a placeholder unless they're not actually cryptoskeptic.

There's nothing that has come up that I have read that means this would cause problems with full nodes and not spv clients.

A simple fix for this when using an spv client would be to double check a txid (which is what a lot of people do so it's unlikely a repeatable attack vector after being used a few times).



Yep, sounds like this.

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2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Merkle Tree Has Any Cons? on: November 22, 2022, 01:16:00 AM
Have you got a link?

A merkle root tree is a data structure. It contains checksums but isn't proof or anything except the data transfer itself being transferred without corruption.


Just a offline meeting, some guests said so, so I am wondering if it is true.



I just hear that users actually don't want Merkle tree for their transaction as proof, is it because that has privacy issues or what? Quiet confused by this.  

As said, a Merkle tree is just a data structure with some hashes as "verification seals". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle_tree
So you can put any data in there and depending on what data you put there, it may be safe or not, or may pose privacy issues or not.

You should tell more exactly what you were trying to ask about since you've pretty much asked "if we put something in boxes is ok or not?".



I will continue. Bitcoin blockchain is also a Merkle tree. At a second read it has occurred to me that maybe that's what you're asking about. But that's one central point of Bitcoin being Bitcoin. And if the lack of privacy in Bitcoin is an issue, one can just use Monero if the mixers on Bitcoin chain are not "good enough" for them.

Oh~ that sounds fair.



Hi~ dears,

I just hear that users actually don't want Merkle tree for their transaction as proof, is it because that has privacy issues or what? Quiet confused by this.  

Could you elaborate further? I don't expect average people know about merkle tree or have serious privacy concern.

Have you got a link?

My quick search lead me to this article, https://bitslog.com/2018/06/09/leaf-node-weakness-in-bitcoin-merkle-tree-design/. Although this article is about security concern, not privacy.

Yes, only very few will know about it even in the future, like most people know how to use Apps but not really know the technology behind.

And, I cannot elaborate futher because it is come from a offline meeting, some guests said so, them though they don't want others know about their transactions from Merkle Tree, because assets or property are belong to them, I guess it is like people don't want to be so transperant.



Merkle Trees are just binary trees of transaction hashes. Each branch contains two other child branches, and the leaves contain a single transaction. The root merkle hash is what is included in a mined block. I am unaware of any techniques that can be applied on Merkle trees that could result in unauthorized transactions being mined.

So it is a proof of real transactions then.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Merkle Tree Has Any Cons? on: November 21, 2022, 02:41:17 AM
Hi~ dears,

I just hear that users actually don't want Merkle tree for their transaction as proof, is it because that has privacy issues or what? Quiet confused by this. 
4  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Биржа Huobi on: August 04, 2020, 05:53:45 AM
Что собой представляют НТ? Какие приимущества ты получаешь, если в них вкладываешься?
5  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Bitcoin Core团队我可以联系到谁? on: April 23, 2019, 09:02:35 AM
如题,想找他们团队中的某一人,Twitter都行! 跪求!
6  Economy / Service Discussion / Anyone knows what happen to Bitfinex OTC? I cannot find it anymore. on: March 30, 2019, 10:12:44 AM
Anyone knows what happen to Bitfinex OTC? I cannot find it anymore. 
7  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / bitfinex不是有OTC吗 现在咋没了? on: March 30, 2019, 09:46:30 AM
bitfinex不是有OTC吗 现在咋没了?
8  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: A way to buy Bitcoin with Alipay on: August 31, 2017, 03:29:01 AM
Alipay is mostly used by the Chinese, and I wonder why your site is only in English ?
You should have made the site with two languages, as I have read that most Chinese don't care about English and they do everything from studies to business in Chinese itself.

Since you have targeted a particular clientele who uses Alipay, I think you should also incorporate the language of most Alipay users too.
CoinCola has English and Chinese version, on the right corner to switch the language.
9  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / 小额买BTC来这里 on: August 31, 2017, 03:18:38 AM
小额用户去哪里买比特币

推荐使用:CoinCola
官方网址:www.coincola.com
推荐理由:买卖无手续费,适合小额用户

首先咱们先看一看各个比特币交易平台的注册难易程度

比特币交易平台的注册难易程度
平台         电话号码注册           视频认证    邮箱注册     身份证认证   是否需要翻墙
OKcoin       √                      √                              √   
火币               √                      √                              √   
比特币中国       √                      √                              √   
CoinCola       √            
 
大家可以看到目前注册难度上来说:
★★★★★:中心化的交易所,需要实名制和身份认证
★:CoinCola目前任何国家的手机号码只要选择国家码和填写电话号码、设置密码就可以注册了。

然后咱们再看比特币交易平台的收费:

交易所收费细则
平台               交易费               矿工确认费                  法币提币费(RMB)
                                        (提币费BTC/笔)   
OKcoin        0.2%                  0.002                                  0
火币                0.2%                  0.0014                      0.4%
云币网        0.05%                  0.002                              0.1%
比特币中国        0.2%                  0.0002                      0.38%

OTC平台收费细则
平台               交易费              矿工确认费                      充币费                  广告费
                                      (提币费BTC/笔)   
CoinCola             0              0.0009                            0              0.3% - 0.7%

什么是矿工确认费:
比特币矿工负责确认所有的比特币交易,但他们不是无偿地做这项工作,比特币使用者需要向他们支付极少量的比特币以便让他们继续确认。这就是为什么我们每次在比特币网络中转账都会有微小成本的原因,这个成本就是矿工确认费,同时也就是各平台提币需要收费的原因。

什么是广告费:
广告费是OTC平台的东西,OTC平台就是像淘宝一样,有很多人开店,开的店有个展示页面,在OTC平台里一样,不过都叫做发布广告,可以发布购买广告和出售广告,分别用于收币和卖币,就相当于是开店,所以每次店铺有成交,平台就会抽取一定的手续费,这部分费用就是广告费,目前收取每笔交易额的0.7%,交易量大的卖家可以跟平台谈金牌卖家计划,可以把手续费降低到0.3%。

提币速度:

综上所述:
考虑到大家只是小额买卖比特币,所以:
1. 买卖如果收费的话成本就比较高
2. 交易所都需要实名制进入门槛比较高
3. 提币速度也比较慢,好几次在OKcoin买的币今天买的明天还没到。

所以建议大家买小额要快速拿到手的话,去CoinCola吧(www.coincola.com

10  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 用微信如何买比特币? on: August 29, 2017, 07:29:51 AM
大家好!
有哪些方法用微信买比特币? 微信支持比特币交易吗?

多谢!
www.coincola.com

地址栏里输入www.coincola.com(CoinCola),然后用手机号码注册一个账户,然后在买币列表里找可以用微信支付的卖家广告,点击购买。


因为平台是担保支付,下单之后你下单部分的比特币就被平台冻结了,然后跟卖家联系如何付款,按照卖家指定的微信号加他,付款的时候备注订单号,然后等卖家释放比特币就好了,释放之后立即就可以在钱包里看到刚刚买到的比特币了。

注册难易程度:

注册免费,不需要翻墙。

交易手续费:

注册免费,买、卖不收费,发布广告收广告主每笔交易总额0.7%

转出转入是否收费:

转出收费(好像目前是每笔0.0009BTC),转入目前不收费

邀请好友赚佣金:

也可以分享链接,好友通过分享链接注册并交易,有交易手续费(目前我测试出来应该是15%左右),以比特币的形式支付到CoinCola钱包,但是可以永久成为你的分销会员,这一点来看还是不错的。

有哪些版本:

一个香港的创业团队,似乎目前在主打中国市场,因为看上去中国区比较热门,有安卓app,苹果app,还有网页版本,都有中文和英文。

总的来说,CoinCola是新晋小生,我在网上搜了搜,13年开始就有了一些帖子,但当时不是做比特币交易,而是比特币支付,整个app的体验上还算不错,说明确实是花了很多功夫想要做好。客服方面,处理问题蛮及时,但是目前用户数似乎不是很多,估计也是在聚集人气的阶段。

好啦,码字码太久也挺累了,就不多说了哈,楼主结合自己的需求,也有 一些其他的交易网站,但是估计问这个问题的都是新手,所以我建议这个网站,比较简单容易上手。
11  Economy / Service Announcements / A way to buy Bitcoin with Alipay on: August 25, 2017, 07:07:58 AM
Recommend:  CoinCola
Website:        www.coincola.com
Reason:         Using friendly and easily, fast trading.

Search www.coincola.com in a browser, then register with a phone number( can register with any number all over the world), then you can pick those ads that can buy Bitcoin with Alipay, then click the blue little buttom “buy”.

The platform use escrow payment, if the a buyer order some Bitcoin, lets say 0.5 BTC, then the 0.5 BTC from the seller will be held by the platform like trustee.

If the buyer paid, the seller can click a button that can release the 0.5 BTC to the buyer, but if the buyer do not pay, seller can dispute on the platform, the platform will sentence the 0.5 BTC to the rightful owner.

If the buyer paid and the seller do not release Bitcoin to seller, buyer can dispute too. The platform will sentence the 0.5 BTC to the buyer.

So you have no worries about trade treating.

Here are things you may want to know about this platform:
1.   Register buy sell and deposit are totally free, do not need VPN to register if you are in Mainland China.
2.   You will earn Bitcoin from the user who 1) arrive to the site through your affiliate link 2)register and 3)make trades.
3.   A visitor will be considered as your forever, the payouts will be paid to your CoinCola wallet once the visitor made trades on CoinCola, and can be used and withdraw anytime.
4.   Each complete trade cost advertiser 0.7% of the total trade amount. ( bulk Sellers can talk to the Operation Team, they will decrease the fee to 0.3%)
5.   Transaction fee is 0.0009BTC each time (recent days, it may change in the future).
6.   It has Android App, IOS App and Website, all have Chinese and English edition.
7.   New buyer can get a very good rate, the price will be 500 lower than the market price.

The CoinCola Team are doing Bitcoin Business since 2013, the support team are really obliging considerate. Apps are really easy to use. It seems that CoinCola really did their work on the platform.  
12  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 微信怎么买比特币 on: August 25, 2017, 03:04:16 AM
功能不错,体验还行,主要是太贵了

目前场外交易似乎都是这样   哎  OTC 平台涂个方便  必然是贵一点,还有就是  实实在在是买到币  不是炒数字 
13  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 微信怎么买比特币 on: August 25, 2017, 01:40:00 AM
直接OTC就好了。目前OTC的平台那么多,微信买没有问题。

这个就是OTC 平台 Smiley
14  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 微信怎么买比特币 on: August 24, 2017, 09:34:40 AM
这种网站只会吸引少量的特定人群参与交易,比较麻烦,还是直接上交易所买卖直接,方便,价格还透明~~

所以满足不同人的需求  OKcoin和火币这种中心化交易所  还是有很多风险,大家忘记年初的时候不能提币了吗
15  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 微信怎么买比特币 on: August 24, 2017, 07:36:23 AM
这个价格这么高没有什么吸引力啊,为什么要高出市场价这么多去买比特币呢??当然了买一点点还是有优势的。

首先小额的话 在这个买是不错的

然后  其实比特币二手交易市场的话 这个价还不错啦   
16  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 微信怎么买比特币 on: August 24, 2017, 06:17:55 AM
国内有官方可以买

什么官方?
17  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 微信怎么买比特币 on: August 24, 2017, 05:48:56 AM
用bitkan交易了很久, 没什么问题, 一直用有实体公司的交易所, 上面网站COINCOLA有公司地址不?如果有实体公司就比较放心.

www.coincola.com   是有实体的公司,而且还是上市公司背景
18  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / 微信怎么买比特币 on: August 24, 2017, 04:06:25 AM
自从上次从两万多跌落到一万三,比特币最近又要突破2万人民币大关了,但是很多人都不知道怎么购买比特币,特别是很多人因为无法办理银行卡、无法使用银行卡支付等需要用到微信支付,我上次在一个Party上了解到很多外国友人只能使用微信,因为他们的工资都是微信支付到账户里的,所以我想很多人需要用微信购买比特币吧。由于本人各种机缘巧合,了解到一些可以购买比特币的网站,下面给大家介绍一下怎么用微信购买比特币


www.coincola.com


在地址栏里输入www.coincola.com(CoinCola),然后用手机号码注册一个账户,然后在买币列表里找可以用微信支付的卖家广告,点击购买。

担保交易,也是下单之后就冻结卖家的比特币,不过这个网站下单之前下单之后都可以联系卖家,总之下单之后按照卖家说的方式付款,然后等待放币。卖家释放之后就可以在钱包里看到自己刚刚买到的比特币了。


注册难易程度:注册免费,买、卖不收费,不需要翻墙。

交易手续费:发布广告收广告主每笔交易总额0.7%

转出转入是否收费:转出收费(好像目前是每笔0.0009BTC),转入目前不收费

分销体系:也可以分享链接,好友通过分享链接注册并交易,有交易手续费(目前我测试出来应该是15%左右),但是可以永久成为你的分销会员,这一点来看还是不错的。

有哪些版本:有安卓app,苹果app,还有网页版本,都有中文和英文。

我在网上搜了搜,13年开始就有了一些帖子,但当时不是做比特币交易,而是比特币支付,整个app的体验上还算不错,说明确实是花了很多功夫想要做好。客服方面,处理问题蛮及时,但是目前用户数似乎不是很多,估计也是在聚集人气的阶段。



19  Economy / Trading Discussion / How do foreigners buy Bitcoin in Mainland China without ID verification? on: August 21, 2017, 08:23:54 AM
With the rising number of  foreigners live and do business in China, they got RMB and want to buy Bitcoin, but those exchanges in China can trade only after ID verification, and only with Chinese ID, so how to buy Bitcoin becomes a big problem of foreigners live in China. There are two different way to buy Bitcoin in China, now we are going to talk about them.

1. Offline trading
You need to find someone who have Bitcoin, and they are willing to sell it to you, and this will be difficult especially for new Bitcoiners. And we all know there are some other problems with offline trading, if buyer pay first, then seller send Bitcoin, the problem will be buyer paid and seller do not send Bitcoin. If seller send Bitcoin first, the problem will be what if the buyer would not pay the money? So we will solve this problem later.

2. On line P2P trading platform
In order to solve problems as follows,
(1) Got money to buy Bitcoin but cannot find those who sell Bitcoin
(2) Got Bitcoin to sell but cannot find those who what to buy
Some company figure it out that they can develop a platform, just like Ebay, those who have Bitcoin to sell can create an ads on the platform that will display it so that those who want buy Bitcoin can find them and contact them directly through the platform. Then, Problem solved.

But still buyers and seller still have problems, they cannot trust each other:
(1) What if I paid but they would not send me Bitcoin
(2) What if I send Bitcoin but they would not pay
The platform figure it out with a new solution, Escrow payment, if the a buyer order some Bitcoin, lets say 0.5 BTC, then the 0.5 BTC from the seller will be held by the platform like trustee.
If the buyer paid, the seller can click a button that can release the 0.5 BTC to the buyer, but if the buyer do not pay, seller can dispute on the platform, the platform will sentence the 0.5 BTC to the rightful owner.
If the buyer paid and the seller do not release Bitcoin to seller, buyer can dispute too. The platform will sentence the 0.5 BTC to the buyer.

Here is the platform, named CoinCola, web: https://www.coincola.com, which is located in HongKong, here are things you may want to know about it,
1. You can buy Bitcoin as much as you want and without ID verification.
2. It delivers Android Apps IOS Apps and website, so you can buy and seller whenever and wherever you are.
3. You can register without VPN, since you live in China and with the regulation of VPN.
4. Register, buy and sell are totally free, advertisement will cost the advertiser 0.7% of the total trading amount.
5. Overseas seller will get supportive policy which will cut down your fee of advertisements to 0.3%.
6. New user can buy Bitcoin at a very good rate, normally will be RMB 500–800 Yuan lower than the market price.

I use it when I in mainland China, it is pretty good, and I hope it can help.
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