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I can prove it. But after your manner of communication. I will not do this. You are very uncivilized
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The product is really good. But it seems to me that he cuts the hash rate a lot
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well gpuhoarder released some info yesterday on discord along with a screenshot of an early build (one that was solo mining).
1st version for public consumption will likely be very limited.. linux version may run better as opposed to the windows version. amd cards are talked to direct, nvidia goes through cpu. things will change though as it is refined.
thats just what i recall, take with much salt.
time frame was "near future" iirc.
hit up fpga discord for the real info.
From my understanding of last week, Linux was working, windows wasn't there yet, one gpu was working great, multiple needed more work (I don't know if that was Nvidia or AMD) and they were worried about pushing this now and people jumping to conclusions and freaking out if they released a beta software. I'll volunteer to beta test on Windows. |
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I think new miners focus too heavily on upfront cost as compared to how long it will take to pay off the gpu from mining. You also need to consider resale value. If you can afford high-end gpus they are often a better buy if you take into account resale value. The 1080ti, despite being a pretty old card, is still an in-demand card on the secondary market because you can get 2080 levels of performance on most games for less money.
So I suggest the following calculation. Calculate the payoff period for the lowest end gpus you're considering (e.g. 580/1060). These likely have low or negligible (scrap/spare parts) resale value. Then calculate how much you would earn in that time from a higher end gpu, and add 50% of the price of the higher-end gpu to those earnings (50% being the likely resale value). I bet the higher end gpu ends up a better buy.
For example:
RX580 purchased new currently takes about 5.4 years to pay off by mining eth.
RTX2080 purchased new will earn roughly $410 in 5.4 years by mining eth. Selling to a gamer for half price ($400) leaves you with an extra $10.
People who bought 1080ti's for mining are generally doing pretty well. They can mine on them as long as they're profitable or sell them for a reasonable return. But there isn't a strong secondary market for 480/580.
You also need to account for the fact that higher-end cards are typically more versatile and powerful for mining other algorithms (especially higher-end nvidia cards). For example, the RTX2080 can mine e.g. x16r or timetravel or progpow very well. At current prices, you could pay off a 2080 in a little over three years by mining alternative algorithms. That's a lot better than the rx580's 5.4 year timeframe.
I'm starting to look at it is way. I started 2 years ago and bought all my cards right before the boom and I'm surprised at how much value my Navidia cards retained. I assumed after a crash they would be almost worthless. I'm looking at replacing my cards, with .049 electrical cost and high resale the risk isn't as big as one would think. I'm trying to calculate which 2000 series card has the best potential. Best bang for your buck seems like the 2060 or 2070 but 2080 or 2080 ti might retain more resale value. I think if you can get the cheap non-founders versions of the 2080 and 2080ti those can be a pretty good buy. e.g. $999 for a 2080ti. Still, coin prices are so bad right now I would be hesitant to drop significant money on new hardware. I'm mining my 580s and 1070s into the ground even though I could get a bump in profit by replacing them with e.g. 2070s. |
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well gpuhoarder released some info yesterday on discord along with a screenshot of an early build (one that was solo mining).
1st version for public consumption will likely be very limited.. linux version may run better as opposed to the windows version. amd cards are talked to direct, nvidia goes through cpu. things will change though as it is refined.
thats just what i recall, take with much salt.
time frame was "near future" iirc.
hit up fpga discord for the real info.
Soon. TMNear Future. TMOnly planning to use these either standalone (CLE-215+) or to boost amd (CLE-101). Will the 1st version boost monero and eth, just eth, just monero, something else? What will it standalone mine, lyra, keccak, etc.? |
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I think new miners focus too heavily on upfront cost as compared to how long it will take to pay off the gpu from mining. You also need to consider resale value. If you can afford high-end gpus they are often a better buy if you take into account resale value. The 1080ti, despite being a pretty old card, is still an in-demand card on the secondary market because you can get 2080 levels of performance on most games for less money.
So I suggest the following calculation. Calculate the payoff period for the lowest end gpus you're considering (e.g. 580/1060). These likely have low or negligible (scrap/spare parts) resale value. Then calculate how much you would earn in that time from a higher end gpu, and add 50% of the price of the higher-end gpu to those earnings (50% being the likely resale value). I bet the higher end gpu ends up a better buy.
For example:
RX580 purchased new currently takes about 5.4 years to pay off by mining eth.
RTX2080 purchased new will earn roughly $410 in 5.4 years by mining eth. Selling to a gamer for half price ($400) leaves you with an extra $10.
People who bought 1080ti's for mining are generally doing pretty well. They can mine on them as long as they're profitable or sell them for a reasonable return. But there isn't a strong secondary market for 480/580.
You also need to account for the fact that higher-end cards are typically more versatile and powerful for mining other algorithms (especially higher-end nvidia cards). For example, the RTX2080 can mine e.g. x16r or timetravel or progpow very well. At current prices, you could pay off a 2080 in a little over three years by mining alternative algorithms. That's a lot better than the rx580's 5.4 year timeframe.
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It seems like releasing a keccak-only miner/bitstream would be relatively easy, since acorn-like devices were originally designed to perform the opening and closing keccak calculations for eth anyway.
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The main reason to buy these was for gpu boosting, so gpu miners could compete with fpga for a little bit longer. Sure they can standalone mine too, but that wasn't the original purpose. If you're going to standalone mine you should have just sold off your gpus and used that money to buy a real fpga.
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Is anyone ITT interested in buying some never-used acorns at a mild discount?
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I'm kinda frustrated that I dropped cash on this to buy it early through their store. Now it's available for anyone with a credit card and we're all still waiting on software.
So you're mad you don't have to pay interest? I don't get the issue you're having. You either are okay with paying the cost or not. he paid with 6500 dollar btc so if he gets a refund in btc it will be worth 4000. If he paid with a cc it would be cash to cash. I paid with 6500 dollar btc about 800 which was around 0.123 btc When I was refunded in btc btc was about 6500 which was around 0.123 btc. I think I had a net profit of 6 bucks. Thanks to M Furman complaining endlessly about the software I dedeuced he was correct and software would not show up. So I was okay. But those that stuck it out and paid 0.123 btc like I paid if they got a refund today it would be .123 which is worth 0.123 x 4025 = 495 usd a 305 loss. The smart people that waited and waited and waited can now order on amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B07LCWPDTH/ref=dp_olp_0?With an amazon storecard you can get e.g. 12 month interest free financing. I took advantage of this when I first got into mining, buying thousands of dollars worth of gpus and other hardware without paying a cent, mining for six months or so and holding until the value of the crypto hits a good peak, then cashing out and paying off the hardware. Really wish I had my cash right now instead of these paperweights, but if I had waited for them to be on Amazon at least I could have the paperweights AND cash for a while. I think they're legit and facing actual issues slowing them down, not conning, but it's frustrating to take more of a risk and actually get less of a reward versus someone who waited around longer. |
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I'm kinda frustrated that I dropped cash on this to buy it early through their store. Now it's available for anyone with a credit card and we're all still waiting on software.
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Hey guys, im a lil bit dumb, Im trying to configure OC values in Claymore so I don't use Afterburner, I have gotten everything right so far except for the core volt, lil bit confused, for example in Afterburner I used to set my core volt at "-66" but how do it make it be "-66" in claymore? should it be "-cvddc 340"? thanks in advance for ur replies
if you mean -0.66V than in Claymore's bat file you have to set -cvddc 660 No, do not do this. In claymore you set the voltage value, not the offset. A common setting is -cvddc 850 or -cvddc 900. What I am trying to say is, that in Afterburner the Core Volt standard is at +0, so after I moded my GPU's bios, I always used to place it at "-66" because it was stable for me and GPU's temps were also nice, currently since I'm not using Afterburner anymore I'm having high temps not sure if Claymore isn't recognizing the fan's values I set or the core volt that I didnt specified, so I'm using it at "-cvddc 900" atm but I feel like its not what I want, I'd to make it be the "-66 I set in afterburner" but in Claymore's values Take whatever voltage is set in the gpu's modded bios, subtract 66, and use that number as your claymore parameter. So if the bios sets the core voltage of your highest pstate to 900, you should do -cvddc 834. Alright, thanks a lot bro! One other thing. You may need to set -mvddc 834. This can help on some cards in my experience. |
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Hey guys, im a lil bit dumb, Im trying to configure OC values in Claymore so I don't use Afterburner, I have gotten everything right so far except for the core volt, lil bit confused, for example in Afterburner I used to set my core volt at "-66" but how do it make it be "-66" in claymore? should it be "-cvddc 340"? thanks in advance for ur replies
if you mean -0.66V than in Claymore's bat file you have to set -cvddc 660 No, do not do this. In claymore you set the voltage value, not the offset. A common setting is -cvddc 850 or -cvddc 900. What I am trying to say is, that in Afterburner the Core Volt standard is at +0, so after I moded my GPU's bios, I always used to place it at "-66" because it was stable for me and GPU's temps were also nice, currently since I'm not using Afterburner anymore I'm having high temps not sure if Claymore isn't recognizing the fan's values I set or the core volt that I didnt specified, so I'm using it at "-cvddc 900" atm but I feel like its not what I want, I'd to make it be the "-66 I set in afterburner" but in Claymore's values Take whatever voltage is set in the gpu's modded bios, subtract 66, and use that number as your claymore parameter. So if the bios sets the core voltage of your highest pstate to 900, you should do -cvddc 834. |
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Hey guys, im a lil bit dumb, Im trying to configure OC values in Claymore so I don't use Afterburner, I have gotten everything right so far except for the core volt, lil bit confused, for example in Afterburner I used to set my core volt at "-66" but how do it make it be "-66" in claymore? should it be "-cvddc 340"? thanks in advance for ur replies
if you mean -0.66V than in Claymore's bat file you have to set -cvddc 660 No, do not do this. In claymore you set the voltage value, not the offset. A common setting is -cvddc 850 or -cvddc 900. |
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I just use corsair digital PSU's. Easy power monitoring and fan control. Extremely reliable and efficient too.
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It's pretty clear from the descriptions of the product that its primary use is to boost gpus, not standalone mining. I'm sure standalone mining will be one application, but it was designed as an adjunct to gpus in order to handle compute-heavy work at much lower power usage. So the overall effect is generally an improved hash/watt. I do wish we had real benchmarks.
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Got a shipment notification today on my 4x CLE-215+, 2x CLE-101, nest x2 and nest x4.
Going to try the nest x4 with 4x CLE-215+ on my TB250+ PRO with 6x 1080Ti. May just standalone mine on the acorns if I don't have the bandwidth to boost the gpus well.
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I've probably made more money flipping gpus than I ever have mining. Both have been good to me, though.
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Can't keep them in stock, even at ~$1200. This makes me think that a bunch of miners know something I don't know about the mining potential of this card. Is there a chance it'll be like the 1080Ti used to be, i.e. making huge returns mining random oddball coins?
I wonder if a clever programmer can find a way to convert some of the non-matrix manipulations for some algos into matrix manipulations to take advantage of the tensor cores? I have no idea what I'm talking about, just speculating.
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Product was supposedly shipped on Monday. Anyone received anything?
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