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Hello all,
I am here to warn anybody that is, like me, new to Amagi and considering purchasing gold bullion from them.
I ordered 5 of their Five-gram PAMP Suisse Bars on June 27th and have yet to receive anything. Mind you, these were not marked as "Delayed" or back-ordered when I purchased them online. I did not hear anything for quite a while, until I emailed support on July 3rd and they responded on July 8th. I was informed that the holiday had delayed their order processing, so I played the waiting game some more. Then, on July 11th, I finally receive an email from support saying that my order is now "Shipping". Most people would have a different definition of shipping, as it is now 5 days later and it has not even been to the sorting facility, according to the USPS tracking link.
This is my first time ordering bullion ever, so I do not know if this is typical. I sincerely hope that I didn't order from Amagi right when they are starting to turn into a Coinabul. Is this how it normally goes? What is going on over there?
I believe your order was shipped yesterday. If you would like, we can share the tracking number. I'm not sure what Coinabul does, but our bitcoin sales are just a small fraction of our business.. Sadly, this is typical. While I don't have exact details on how each business works, it is too risky & costly to have a warehouse of silver and gold on-site.
I suggest you should seek out some large coin shows. Hand over a wad of cash and walk out with a hunk of metal. Usually no ID, receipts, or any other paperwork involved.
We are going to be at several coin shows this summer. The biggest one is going to be the Denver Coin Show in late October. Come check us out and say hello! We accept bitcoins on the spot as well. My order just arrived! (It actually arrived yesterday, but I wasn't around to sign for it.) I hope this delay was a fluke, as I do plan to order again in the future. The option to purchase gold with Bitcoin is just too good to pass up... Thank you for the follow-up, Stephen. Do you plan to come to SoCal for any shows? |
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Hello all,
I am here to warn anybody that is, like me, new to Amagi and considering purchasing gold bullion from them.
I ordered 5 of their Five-gram PAMP Suisse Bars on June 27th and have yet to receive anything. Mind you, these were not marked as "Delayed" or back-ordered when I purchased them online. I did not hear anything for quite a while, until I emailed support on July 3rd and they responded on July 8th. I was informed that the holiday had delayed their order processing, so I played the waiting game some more. Then, on July 11th, I finally receive an email from support saying that my order is now "Shipping". Most people would have a different definition of shipping, as it is now 5 days later and it has not even been to the sorting facility, according to the USPS tracking link.
This is my first time ordering bullion ever, so I do not know if this is typical. I sincerely hope that I didn't order from Amagi right when they are starting to turn into a Coinabul. Is this how it normally goes? What is going on over there?
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I am the guy who visited "burnin" and checked that he is a real person.
I personally trust burnin just like that - but it's a bit funny to me that the person that "checked" him is a junior member with 16 posts. I was expecting some old hand. Who will now "check" testsieger?  buy me a flight to germany and i'll check anybody ya like.  (i'm in the US. heh.) I am the "checker" cause I´m living in Hamburg. Zefir and SebastianJu ( and burnin as well now) know my identity.... cause I send them my company web page address. @arklan: no problem:) come to Germany and we´ll drive on the Autobahn to give you a definition of speed...
Why did you wait until April 18, 2013, to get out of newbie jail?
Two years of complete inactivity, and now you are "verifying" for us?
What is your company's website? |
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I have following proofs now: (have them as pics which I took during the visit) the hard facts
1) german passport, with ID number, picture
2) Meldunsgbestätigung Einwohnermeldeamt. (certification of registartion of city Hamburg)
3) formation of a company documents from notary public and adress. This information will show up in a couple of days also in the Handelsregister(Company Registry) in Hamburg. The clients will order directly from this company the boards.
So, can we please see 1, 2 and 3?
This is why you took the pics, right?I know you would want to see them, but i don't think its safe to post personal information as passaports, id, etc here for everyone to steal. You don't want your friend to go to jail because some drug dealer copied his passport :p |
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I have following proofs now: (have them as pics which I took during the visit) the hard facts
1) german passport, with ID number, picture
2) Meldunsgbestätigung Einwohnermeldeamt. (certification of registartion of city Hamburg)
3) formation of a company documents from notary public and adress. This information will show up in a couple of days also in the Handelsregister(Company Registry) in Hamburg. The clients will order directly from this company the boards.
So, can we please see 1, 2 and 3?
This is why you took the pics, right? |
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MOST IMPORTANTLY, he seems to ignore any questions about his real-life identity or credentials.
I am a privacy conscious person. Sending high res scans of my passport to strangers on the internet? - No way
Somebody that is potentially going to send you thousands of dollars worth of hardware is not a stranger.Don't be surprised if he only accepts BTC when the time comes.
Who says they accept "fiat"? They would accept "euros" or "deutsche marks".
I will accept Euro and BTC, i said fiat because thats the usual term here. Why won't he name his "officially registered company"?
Or at least the "Avionic and Military" companies in Germany he wants to contract?
Two other things to consider:
1. Why would he only accept BTC for his chips but both BTC+fiat for boards?
2. How come he hasn't disclosed how many chips he has bought from Zefir himself?
3. All his images are uploaded and hosted from Anonymouse.org
My Company is registered but not yet published in the "Handelsregister", the officials are taking their time. Could be due to the holidays. Why wouldn't i name my contractors? - i consider those trade secrets 1. I dont sell the Chips, i only provide an assembly service. 2. Why would that be of your concern? 3. Bitcointalk.org does that automatically to any link or image - go try it out.
2. I personally don't care. I'm smart enough to stay away. But you claimed in this post that you would reserve a number of Zefir's chips for smaller orders. Wouldn't it be helpful to let people know how many they can order?
3. This isn't true either. Just right-click on other images (not by Burnin) in this post. If I was scamming somebody, I would definitely use a service like Anonymouse too.
Wow.
It's like watching a slowly sinking ship...
Just because someone is on the internet, does not remove them from accountability.
If you were doing the same transaction in real life, you would want to know more than Burnin is telling you.
I tried to warn you guys, but now it's time to just watch and wait. I guess this is Darwinism in effect.
There are people that have no business mining and this scam is going to weed them out.
On the plus side, Burnin is going to keep the difficulty from going higher, LOL...
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*cough* SCAM *cough*
And just who the fuck are you? Just another newbie, if you dont trust burning or dont trust this project please post in the newbie section. 1. You will order from an officially registered company in Germany, the order is a legal contract between the customer (you) and the company (me) that both sides have to honor, or face legal consequences. 2. I won't receive any chips until July, and I will demonstrate a working Miner with the sample chips from Avalon by that time. You are free to have your chips sent elsewhere if I don't. Where in Germany are you located? in Hamburg Some people in this threat are going to Hamburg this summer and public photos so shut up and wait. PM: who the fuck are u? I'm noob. A nobody... But I've been buying Bitcoin since it was $5 and that makes me an elder compared to these fly-by-night scammers that are showing up. jorgeantolini-When you just copy+paste Burnin's text (like from this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179769.msg1935789#msg1935789), it is really confusing. It's as if you are typing as Burnin himself. Why won't he name his "officially registered company"? Or at least the "Avionic and Military" companies in Germany he wants to contract? Some people in this threat are going to Hamburg this summer and public photos so shut up and wait. Please refer to the post below:
Thats my point too. Nothing is shown till now by any developer. But i tend to klondike too. Im a bit unsure about burnin finally too because i contacted him via pm and twice in the thread to ask if i can visit him to check out his place and get a feeling about this all. He didnt react to this question. So being forced to pay without anything to ensure me... i doubt. On the other hand... if its only claiming interest in the miner without having to pay now would be another thing...
This is coming from SebastianJu. Not some nobody like you or me. If the person organizing a huge group buy reaches out, you should answer. He claims to want to keep his design closed-source initially. That I can understand. But to stay quiet about his identity, exact location (there are bitcoiners that want to meet him), and company, when that information will soon be required anyways, is a huge red flag. You guys should seriously considering waiting for (or asking for) more proof: A video of the finished prototype hashing, some more plans or schematics that won't give away his work, or at least a friggin' resume... Two other things to consider: 1. Why would he only accept BTC for his chips but both BTC+fiat for boards? 2. How come he hasn't disclosed how many chips he has bought from Zefir himself? 3. All his images are uploaded and hosted from Anonymouse.org I may be paranoid, or he may be genuine. In either case, one thing is certain- You guys need to be vigilant and have a healthy skepticism when dealing with anything Bitcoin-related. Burnin, can you chime in? |
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Hi Steamboat,
In your latest update to the OP, you state:
"I have partnered with developers to provide the equipment necessary to turn Avalon chips into miners."
Are you at liberty to say who these developers are? Are they active on Bitcointalk?
I'm asking because while I have faith in Bkkcoin, I am INCREDIBLY suspect of Burnin.
I seriously believe he is going to run off with everyone's chips and coins.
I know you have asked him for further identification, but he didn't respond in the thread.
Has he provided any more proof of identity about himself or his "company"?
KPanda
I am working with BkkCoins to develop the Klondike board. I've sent some coin for prototypes and he will most likely be receiving some of the sample chips once I receive more information. I am also working with an engineer who will be validating the information given by Avalon once released. There are no other projects that I am comfortable working with, and suggest everyone research who they are trusting to develop their miners for them. If anyone who has purchased chips would like them delivered to a developer for assembly, that is fine. Once the chips have been shipped, I am no longer responsible for them. I am sourcing US assembly shops to have my boards and chips shipped to and assembled. Once I have more concrete numbers, I will share the information and open it up to the group. Thank you for taking the time to investigate who you are working with. Thanks for the clarification! I will probably follow the same route as you, since I am in the states as well. In the meantime, I'll be dreaming of Klondike 64's...  |
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Hi Steamboat,
In your latest update to the OP, you state:
"I have partnered with developers to provide the equipment necessary to turn Avalon chips into miners."
Are you at liberty to say who these developers are? Are they active on Bitcointalk?
I'm asking because while I have faith in Bkkcoin, I am INCREDIBLY suspect of Burnin.
I seriously believe he is going to run off with everyone's chips and coins.
I know you have asked him for further identification, but he didn't respond in the thread.
Has he provided any more proof of identity about himself or his "company"?
KPanda
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In for 384 chips at 33.024 BTC
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*cough* SCAM *cough*
Seriously, his mock-up looks like it was made by a 13 year old in Google Sketchup.
And check his post history. There are some inconsistencies:
At first he says, there will be "no pretty" websites, but now there will be one.
Why? So he scam people outside of Bitcointalk.
In his first post he says he's a Bitstream Developer.
Now he's an electrical engineer...
Also, the original run was for 500. Now it's for 1000.
I guarantee there will be no record of how many orders have actually been received.
Don't be surprised if he only accepts BTC when the time comes.
Who says they accept "fiat"? They would accept "euros" or "deutsche marks".
MOST IMPORTANTLY, he seems to ignore any questions about his real-life identity or credentials.
Will scam.
Watching closely.
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I've succesfully used Dwolla as a payment method with FashCash4Bitcoins twice now.
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I don't know why, but I just get the feeling he is NOT a baby boomer...
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The worst part about the 4-hour rule for me, is that I've already spent over 15 cumulative hours lurking. Now that I want to buy an Eruptor Blade or two...  |
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Blockchain as well...
Their iOS app isn't the greatest though.
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