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This is typical behaviour of them. They destroy the community with their arrogancy while it is at it's infancy. Lots are fed up of those shmocks. I'm still in because of the tech but they are really so incapable of the simplest marketing / PR. They feel like kings with a lot of peasants, the ones who argue them get banned. They really don't like places where thay can't ban. It hurts them so much. Just had to say this, over and out  |
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No, your community-driven approach is good but there is much potential for improvement. The problem is, you don't see the problems and the need for improvement. And you are right, I mean no harm, quiet the opposite, my intention is to be constructive and a mirror of the public perception. Your arguments indicate you think everything is very fine, you do everything right. This is arrogance. Don't stamp every critique instantly as MEME, troll, FUD. It's easy to do so, it's out of the mind quickly. But this way you lose the ability to absorb real feedback and reflect on it. I know I sound patronizing now, maybe I am. I said what I think and I know I am not alone. Use it or not, it's your decision. I wish you best of luck on your way!
I don't think there is anything wrong for David and CfB to deal with trolls in a harsh way (especially in this crypto world) and because of this the IOTA community has become more business oriented than most of other crypto community. Different people including you may have different ways to handle the troll situation. But that does not mean they are wrong. I personally prefer their ways. A man fights like a fighter in a cage. A man speaks like a CEO in a board room. That is what a man supposed to do. Have you talked business with David and CfB on Slack or here. They are more sane and patient than most of devs I have ever seen. In the business and crypto world, you don't offer your left cheek to the trolls after they slap your right one. If a leader does that, the whole project and community will suffer. By the way, I don't think you represent the public opinions and are listening to David's explanation. You only represent yourself and you misconceived lots of stuff. If I ask you change will you change? Will you take my critique nicely and happily? Actually I am active on Slack and support IOTA in different ways but I also followed some conversations and cringed a lot. I am not so into the crypto world but I am aware that it is a harsh business. The thing is, as you say and they claim, they want to be different than other crypto start-ups. They want to be recognized and adapted by "the real world". The swearing and telling to fuck off might work within the crypto environment but I can garantee, it will fail on the general public. This forum and other conversations are public. The internet does not forget and people will use this emotional outbursts against them. Another issue with this is, that I saw some "false positives" during rages. Some people had reasonable support issues and they were treated like shit or ignored. This way you also lose the "good ones". I am still a supporter and remain so because I believe in the tech but I also see upcoming problems with the general adaption because of the harsh behaviour. I don't think the guys are ignorant or arrogant per se. I consider them very intelligent and visionary. Maybe they just need a break from time to time to calm down. As I said I want IOTA to succeed. I do what I can with my limited time and part of it is to give my honest objective feedback like this. |
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No, not at all. Would you prefer we treat people like peasants and only communicate with the community through pre-filtered artificial statements? That is a VERY naive understanding of what 'professional' is, nor is it conducive to fostering a open community. The fact that the founders and devs are available to the community is something much more valuable than us speaking through a communications executive.
I realize that you mean no ill, but believe it or not you come off as incredibly arrogant when you presume to know how we should behave. Maybe it would be better to look at the empirical evidence I.E. the results of our work and behaviour, and accept that reality isn't as you have imagined it. Let results speak for themselves.
We often get complimented by people in large organizations for being so upfront and blunt with trolls in fact, it's something we've had laughs about in meetings and conference calls more times than I can even count. The world isnt' as black/white as you seem to believe.
No, your community-driven approach is good but there is much potential for improvement. The problem is, you don't see the problems and the need for improvement. And you are right, I mean no harm, quiet the opposite, my intention is to be constructive and a mirror of the public perception. Your arguments indicate you think everything is very fine, you do everything right. This is arrogance. Don't stamp every critique instantly as MEME, troll, FUD. It's easy to do so, it's out of the mind quickly. But this way you lose the ability to absorb real feedback and reflect on it. I know I sound patronizing now, maybe I am. I said what I think and I know I am not alone. Use it or not, it's your decision. I wish you best of luck on your way! |
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Does not matter if troll or not. Imagine a random CEO of any well known company stating publicly to an upset costumer / troll "FUCK YOU and all of your kinds". This would be the end of his / her career. You are no drugged rockstars, you are (getting) public figures now which represent a "business" with hundreds of millions at stake. Better act accordingly, just my few cents.
This seems to be quite a prevalent but utterly false view of reality. I just can't get past how you feel entitled to be in any position to tell us how to act. I could be a pretentious asshole and simply say "you are all beneath me, you haven't achieved anything in life in comparison", but I don't. I engage you like I would anyone else. Also, IOTA is not a company, it's an open source project like Linux. Heard of the guy behind Linux, Linus Torvalds? Our 'controversial statements' pale in comparison, enjoy: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_TorvaldsThis is what I mean. You always get into a very defensive position when someone critises your public behaviour. As those opinions rise about this communictation problem, independently there has to be something about it, don't you think? BTW: Linus Torvalds is an asshole and he lost a lot of supporters because of it, be better than Linus.. |
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Damn, this communication and attitute of the leaders and devs is very chilling. I still have confidence in the technological aspects but the leadership worries me a lot. This will harm the project long term and I am concinced it already has. You should hold back your huge egos and calm your temper on public communication. Those people have reasonable claims and should be treated accordingly. It is understanable that as it takes longer and longer, their patience shrinks which ultimatly results in anger. Don't respond with anger and arrogance, better find acceptable solutions. Be open to critique, also and especially in this case when it refers to your personalities. Absorb, reflect and grow with it. It will pay out long term, for your characters and the prosperity of the IOTA project. I'm still supporting and hope it will remain so along the journey  How did this meme get started? Here are the dry indisputable facts: 1) Everyone had the opportunity to auto-claim, meaning this would not have been an issue at all. 2) People insult and accuse us of scamming them for simply being too busy to prioritize what is ultimately a result of their own laziness / negligence. 3) Most of the current (15 or so) manual claimants FAILED to follow the manual claims instructions, therefore it takes a lot longer. We are busy 24/7, lazy people who contribute absolutely nothing is not our priority, but they have already been provided assurance they will get their iotas. 4) We have given them a fairytale ROI, yet they show absolutely no respect whatsoever. Do you think that somehow because we are the leaders and devs we should just shut up and take it? And please don't come with the naive and stupid: "just rise above it", you can't just "rise above" fallicious claims and accusations of scam. This has nothing to do with egos, just basic common sense and common decency, which these idiots lack I don't doubt you are right what you say, just the way you communicate is a bit over the top. And yes you can "rise above it". Just don't take it too personal. I can understand your feelings as I also run a project. It is hard to deal with trolls and false statements, but it is crucial to stay calm. Otherwise you are not taken as a professional. |
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Does not matter if troll or not. Imagine a random CEO of any well known company stating publicly to an upset costumer / troll "FUCK YOU and all of your kinds". This would be the end of his / her career. You are no drugged rockstars, you are (getting) public figures now which represent a "business" with hundreds of millions at stake. Better act accordingly, just my few cents.
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Damn, this communication and attitute of the leaders and devs is very chilling. I still have confidence in the technological aspects but the leadership worries me a lot. This will harm the project long term and I am concinced it already has. You should hold back your huge egos and calm your temper on public communication. Those people have reasonable claims and should be treated accordingly. It is understanable that as it takes longer and longer, their patience shrinks which ultimatly results in anger. Don't respond with anger and arrogance, better find acceptable solutions. Be open to critique, also and especially in this case when it refers to your personalities. Absorb, reflect and grow with it. It will pay out long term, for your characters and the prosperity of the IOTA project. I'm still supporting and hope it will remain so along the journey |
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