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1  Economy / Speculation / Re: It's all RED!!! This could really be the end. on: September 05, 2018, 05:03:06 PM
This is crypto - it will be a wildly up and down game for as long as it is dominated by retail investors. Goldman Sachs dropping trading desk done the damage today I think.
https://coinintelnews.com/goldman-sachs-drops-crypto-trading-desk-plans/
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / China on: September 13, 2017, 01:16:16 PM
http://www.caixinglobal.com/2017-09-13/101144679.html

Behind a paywall, but first paragraph is supportive of blockchain, which is encouraging:

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China’s recent ban on cryptocurrency crowdfunding should not deter future research on blockchain technology that backs those “coins,” the country’s central bank said.

Last week, China became the first country to outlaw raising funds through virtual currencies that are built on this young and more secure computing technology. The People’s Bank of China (PBOC) and six other regulatory bodies deemed so-called initial coin offerings (ICOs) illegal, leading to the almost immediate closure of at least two-thirds of the country’s 60 ICO platforms.

Rumours in Chinese financial circles - according to someone I know in Shanghai who works for an exchange - says that the authorities are always very nervous before CPC Congresses - the 19th Congress opens on 18 October.

Apparently, small investors have been complaining about losses on ICOs and threatening to protest on the streets. The authorities have form on making seemingly draconian moves only to reverse once dangers of things getting out of hand calm down.

Strange though that there hasn't been any follow up on the Caixin story about exchanges being closed. Is there an argument going on at the top? Maybe they don't want to be surrender their position in the crypto space. Who knows? Thoughts people?
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: China just killed the ICO market. Which ones are Chinese? on: September 06, 2017, 01:23:23 PM
The legality of competitively proof-of-work mined coins are not at all afflicted by recent events.

So prior rulings about the legality of Bitcoin are irrelevant to the issue about ICOs.

The difference compared to prior Chinese regulatory actions, is that this appears to have been a coordinated event amongst regulators in many nations.

And the ETH ICO madness was entirely out-of-control and risking naive investors’ funds in a plethora of scams. It became a new Xerox copy ICO every day scam. The nations had no choice but to act. And surely the SEC and other nations will follow. I think Asia acted first because their governments are less democratic and more authoritarian, so they can act quicker. The democratic nations will follow because their regulators have the same responsibility to their citizens. The wheels just move slower in the democratic nations. Asia is finely oil machine that is more efficient than the West now.

The issue is not exclusive to China. China, Canada, Russia, South Korea, and Singapore have warned about coming enforcement action. The SEC already recently warned in the context of The DAO. Obviously the recent events are coordinated between regulators in all these nations including probably the SEC.

Click here for a longer explanation of why proof-of-work mined tokens are not investment securities and thus not afflicted by recent events.
The above link also discusses Ethereum’s ETH, Ethereum ICOs, and others.

It is also very important to note that pre-existing ICO-issued tokens, are illegal to trade and can be delisted from exchanges. Your home country can make it illegal for you to trade them. The above link explains this is more detail.

Please stop spreading the incorrect information, implying that ICOs will come back or that pre-existing ICOs can still be traded. Most people do not want to go to jail or suffer fines. Even if they regulate ICOs, these will only be tradeable on registered exchanges and will not be spendable as cryptocurrencies (i.e. not allowed to be traded decentralized). Thus these new regulated ICOs will not be very useful. It will not be the same.

Many shady exchanges and their largest traders are likely to suffer fines and threats of criminal prosecutions. Today is only the beginning of a massive global crackdown. The gears may move somewhat slowly but over the coming year there will be massive changes to the crypto ecosystem. All the hard-headed will have their fingertips burned up to their armpits as necessary for authorities to stop the rapid proliferation of investment securities scams.

only china goverment banned about ico can't killer ico project, about USA with SEC is very long time not support ico project
i think ico project still can run, without china people
but crypto curency is anonymous, so all china people still can invest in ico project

There will be no greater fools to sell the ICOs to, when they are not legal.

The ICO scam model depends on selling to newbies who come in and believe these 100s of Xerox copy ICOs each have a chance to become the next Bitcoin or Ethereum.

Nobody is going to speculate on illegal ICOs, because there will be no mass market for them, thus no way to hype them.

And it is not just USA and China that are banning ICOs. Same as was the case for FATCA (a USA only law), it became enforced in every country in the world, because the USA threatened to penalize every nation that did not comply.

We’ve already got Canada, Russia, China, Singapore, South Korea, and the USA warning about ICOs.

You’d have to be blind to argue this is not a critical mass.

Yes there are scammers so the more regulation the better. But just on a factual point, the US hasn't banned ICOs. The only country with an outright ban is China.

Also this article in the Chinese financial press points out the following, among other things:

For the current Chinese domestic ICO regulatory policy, some industry insiders say they would consider moving relevant ICO token issuing and trading to overseas.

Well-known cryptocurrency trading platform Bitcoin China (BTCC) announced on September 2 that it decided to suspend the listing of the ICO token ICOCOIN. According to ICOCOIN official Weibo account, on the day before, September 1, this ICO token was listed on European trading platform C-CEX. The platform is headquartered in Germany, the main users are from EU countries, the United States and also have a certain number of users from China.

What happens if Chinese nationals decide to continue to invest on an overseas platform? A regulatory official told reporters that this is considered an international investment. They are taking their own risks and if anything goes wrong, go and find the foreign government for protection of rights.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [VIB] Viberate | Decentralized Music Talent Marketplace on: September 05, 2017, 02:47:30 PM
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