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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you a True Believer? on: September 14, 2017, 03:45:51 PM
However, only a small group of people today are using Bitcoins as they were intended.

What is this "intention" you speak of ?

Are you Satoshi?

What were Satoshi's "intensions" for discovering the solution to the latest cryptography math pro
blem?

What were Einstein's "intensions" for discovering the solution to the quantum physics math problems?

Did he intend for the nuclear bomb to be so dang popular?

All Satoshi did was solve a math problem.

There are still many more awaiting solutions.

What were Newton's and Gallileio's intensions when they did math?

How was gravity and relativity and blockchain intended to be "used"?

I'm sorry, but gravity, relativity, and blockchain tech are all just math concepts.  You are free to either believe the math or reject it and become a flat earther or bitcoin basher, but you cannot "unsolve" the math problem in the minds of those of us who agree that 1+1 = 2


Im not a flat "earther" (someone who believes in Earth is Flat?). and Im no Bitcoin basher. I actually would like Bitcoin to be what its intended to be. The real bashers, are the ones taking advantage of the current fluctuation and volatility. The reality is, Bitcoin is not a company, you cant really say you're "investing" into it. Its really just a gamble of Up or Down.

The intentions are what most people mentioned in just about every single thread you click into. "Decentralised system" which I assume includes being a currency that is not controlled by a governed body for appreciating or depreciating, "Free" Peer to Peer sending and receiving, do not require anyones approval to send or receive payments, new payment system etc.





2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We saw the bright side .. We did not see the dark side yet. on: September 14, 2017, 10:22:03 AM
Hello All

we saw the bright side of bitcoin we saw if you hold any 1 bitcoin from 2009-2014 tell now you make a big profit ..
and every day now see bitcoin higher and if it down in someday be an opportunity to buy more to make more profit .
and also see some altcoins make profit also.

i think bitcoin tell now didn't make someone sad or loss ( expect you sell in wrong time ) but if you hold in any years you are certainly profiting .

so we didn't see tell now the dark side of it ?
where and when we can named it ' the dark side of bitcoin happen now ' or it happen already ?

thank you.

 

The Darkside will likely be when Bitcoins came down to its real value, where its not being traded like stock and so volatile. Noone is holding it because they dont see it going up by 5000%. When that day come, Bitcoin will be the coin, as it was intended by Satoshi. Darkside for most people, but the Bright side for the coin itself.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Are you a True Believer? on: September 14, 2017, 10:11:23 AM
I see alot of people are holding Bitcoins and are convinced that their coins would multiply in value. The same people preach the Bitcoin ideology that its P2P,  decentralised, low to nil send or receive etc.

However, only a small group of people today are using Bitcoins as they were intended. And the fees are not exactly cheap to buy Bitcoins, not to mention those exchange places are basically like banks.

So my question is, are you a True believer of Bitcoins and other Cryptocurrencies that it will one day replace paper money, decentralised and all. Or are you only a believer that the price will continue to climb and you'll one day be a millionaire?

I simply find it fascinating that its apparent, people are preaching the benefits of Bitcoins but they are not using them. Preaching to newbies and drive up the demand and prices of the coins.
Rather, I would love to see people who really believe in Bitcoins, actually going out there and using the coins to purchase products, send/receive coins and let the coins circulate around. I would love to see that day. When the prices are not so volatile, and the coins are being used as they were intended. However, not being volatile also means the prices would rise sharply like it has been this year, which also means you wont be a millionaire holding onto them coins.

So are you a True Believer?


4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it fucking Christmas!!! on: September 14, 2017, 09:36:04 AM
theres always 2 sides to the story...

While some reckons its good time to buy. Then whos selling them? Obviously, some also reckon its time to sell as they are able to pick them up at a cheaper price later.

In a bull marketing, you can jump in at anytime and you would make money. But in a bear market, there is no bottom line.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My Thoughts on Bitcoin - From a Successful Entrepreneur on: September 11, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
Okay, first let me just qualify that I hate saying I'm successful, but I think that having grown two separate companies to over 6 million in annual revenue would qualify me as such. But I just want you to know I'm not some crazy person screaming into the wind.
Here are my thoughts on Cryptocurrency. Is it a bubble? Yes. Are we near the popping point? Not even close.
Think back to the 2008 real estate bubble. You could walk into a room of 100 people and ask who had a 'stated income' mortgage or some other high-risk mortgage and probably 30% of the room would raise their hands. Then you could ask who was flipping homes or had a secondary residence they were holding on spec. Probably another 20% of the room would raise their hands. That's what makes a bubble. The wide-spread impact and reach of a certain industry or vehicle.
Now, walk into a room of 100 people and ask them what Cryptocurrency is. Probably 10 people raise their hands. Ask them how many own any, and I guarantee no one raises their hands.
You see, we're living in an echo chamber where we think that this is all anyone talks about. But it's not. Sure, Bitcoin is getting some attention, but nobody knows what the hell it really is. And no one is really going to be impacted by its ups and downs.
So, in terms of this bubble reaching saturation, we're still a long ways off.
Now, are there ways that this bubble could not pop? Sure. There's a bunch actually.
The biggest reason Crypto could very quickly become legitimate is the current relationship between the US and NK. If war breaks out, then people are going to get spooked. And fear drives speculation, and this type of fear would drive speculation into decentralization.
The second way it would not pop is if the US economy pops first. Which it most likely is going to have a sharp adjustment here soon. And when the dollar takes a beating, unemployment goes up, and things get a bit scary, crypto will again look like a safe haven.
The fact that crypto has been rising as steadily as it has WHILE the dollar has also been rising in value is kind of crazy.
In my opinion, I could see BTC get to 20k. And I don't think it'll actually take that long.
I'm very bullish on crypto as a whole. But I actually don't own that much BTC. I'm taking flyers on smaller currencies and tokens because I like the upside on those more, plus if I'm gonna gamble, I might as well go big or go home.
Any how, just my two cents.



I kind of agree with your post and I also run my own business turning millions. But i also agree the fellow user that we are not bitcoin experts. And I am not.

However, heres what I see the problem with bitcoin after going through the mindsets of the bitcoin owners here.

First of all, most if not all, are only interested in bitcoin because they see the prospect of Bitcoin going up in value and their wealth goes up. Many of these talks about how great Bitcoin is, decentralised system, P2P with minimal fees etc etc. the problem is, many of which are not interested in USING their bitcoins to pay for products or services, instead they rather hold onto their coins because it will go up in value. At the same time, they are hoping some "game changer" comes into play and alot more merchants start to accept Bitcoins which raise awareness to the mainstream and more people jump on board, but wait, they still would not spend their bitcoins. This is the biggest problem. If talking about "game changer", the game changer is all the bitcoin owners start to use their bitcoins and have a healthy ecosystem happening. Care less about whether Bitcoin will go up in value or not, then you are a true Bitcoin believer. If you are a true believer, you would believe the foundation of the system and what it brings to the World. Not a "true believer" that the coin will triple its value.

The truth is, the mainstream will never jump onto Bitcoin because it is so volatile. And again, let me get this straight, you want more people to jump on the bitcoin because that drives the demand higher and you, as an initial bitcoin holder would triple your worth? So basically, brainwash the new users with the Bitcoin philosophy, let them use Bitcoin for what they are made for so you can benefit in the end?

the only "mainstream" that are on the Bitcoin "bandwagon" are the day traders. Basically, like you, just making the difference in their "investments". But you would agree with me, Bitcoin is bigger than that. It shouldnt be used as a way to increase your wealth.

The conflict of interests is that, the only way the mainstream public will jump onto Bitcoin is when the value of Bitcoin stabilises and when that happens you wont triple your wealth anymore.

If you are a true bitcoin believer, make Satoshi proud and start using Bitcoin instead of having Bitcoin sitting in your wallet waiting for some newbies to jump on and drive up the demand so you can benefit financially from it.












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