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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] CHLU - Reputation 3.0 and the future of online search on: October 23, 2017, 05:13:05 PM

Read our brand new white paper on Chlu Search and the Token Economy!
Up on the site now: https://chlu.io/papers/search-token.pdf

-Chlu
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] CHLU - Reputation 3.0 and the future of online search on: September 27, 2017, 05:20:25 PM

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3  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Decentralized/P2P Services? on: September 25, 2017, 04:02:47 PM


Good idea. Another thing I want to ask is would it be possible for the receipts to be made encrypted and only for the buyer and the seller to see if the choose to, with the option to make it readable to the public?

The darknet markets could be a good market for this as a useful tool for a reputation system.

Hmm, could you expand on that? Our invoices are encrypted since these are generated by the user, which could contain sensitive information. However, transaction receipts are available to anyone; you only need the txid to generate the receipt, so not too sure what you mean.




Ok. I thought the receipts will be made readable for anyone to see on the internet. If they are only readable for the user and the merchant then good. Theres no need to do anything else. All Im saying is the potential use case for decentralized receipts will go hand in hand in a reputation system of Open Bazaar or some platform like it.

Hey pinkflower, the Chlu Team definitely agrees with you that a decentralized platform for reputation would be an incredibly useful tool. Chlu allows reputation data to be saved on IPFS with references from transactions on bitcoin, litecoin, zcash and ethereum.

Decentralized reputation is something our team has been thinking long and hard about -and we think we have found a solution. Check out our white paper at chlu.io and see what you think. We would be really interested to hear your thoughts on it.

You can find our bitcointalk announcement here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2199707.msg22116623#msg22116623
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / [ANN] [ICO] CHLU - Reputation 3.0 and the future of online search on: September 22, 2017, 05:38:13 PM
Chlu Network
Ratings and reviews validated by payments on blockchain – take back control of your online reputation


Chlú (pronounced “clue” and Irish for “reputation”) is excited to announce here on Bitcointalk Chlu's solution to online reputation. Chlu is the world’s first truly open and free-to-use reputation platform. It is led by a well rounded team of experts in reputation and PhDs in Distributed Systems. We plan to change the way people search for products and businesses online.

Search for products and businesses is broken. Customers rely on reviews to make purchasing decisions – but where are these reviews coming from? Can they be trusted? Online reputation based on traditional reviews and ratings is open to massive manipulation. What’s worse is that even the new entrants into decentralized reputation lock you in walled gardens.

Chlu is the solution. Chlu offers the first reputation platform that is backed by verified payments, open for anyone to use, and portable across all marketplaces. With ratings and reviews validated by payments, people can no longer create fake reviews. The system saves user feedback on IPFS and ties it to a proof-of-payment made through cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, Litecoin, ZCash and Ethereum. The best part: the technology will be open-source. Merchants want to break free of marketplace walled gardens. Chlu now makes this possible.

We are scheduled to publish the Chlu protocols and associated open source reference implementations this year. Anyone can start using Chlu to send and receive reviews and ratings through wallets that support Chlu. We chose to use blockchain technology because we believe people should own their own data. We have designed the platform to give ownership of data back to the people. This is simply how the future ought to be.

We have published a white paper providing an in-depth look at the platform on our website http://chlu.io.

To learn more, visit Chlu on twitter @ChluNetwork, read the blog medium.com/ChluNetwork or contact Chlu at info@chlu.io


We will update this post regularly with answers to your frequently asked questions from Slack, Telegram, Reddit and Twitter.

5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Decentralized Reputation/Marketplace on: September 22, 2017, 02:38:03 PM
Like your idea - some questions -
1. Support for transacting with other chains?
2. How to prevent malicious marketplace action using the vendor's marketplace signing key. Vendor must have a way to respond on chain by verifying their own private key to invalidate a PoPR from marketplaces using Vs.

Hi aquapanic,

Thanks for taking the time to read our paper. You raise some excellent questions.

1. Chlu does not need a new blockchain, instead Chlu allows reputation data to be saved on IPFS with references from transactions on bitcoin, litecoin, zcash and ethereum. The first three chains allow use of op_return to save a reference to the Review Record and PoPR. This way, Chlu can support payments through as many cryptocurrencies as possible.

2. That is very good point. One way for the vendor to stop a malicious marketplace would be to remove the marketplace's key from the /ipns/vendorname/chlu/keys/pubver/mi/. There is a drawback to this solution, that the vendor's historical reviews from a marketplace can no longer be validated. But if the marketplace is acting maliciously then the vendor would want to disassociate themselves from the marketplace. We'll update the paper to reflect this issue you have raised.

Thanks again for the help.



6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Trustbook: Decentralized Identity System on: September 21, 2017, 09:35:07 PM
Wow, a trust linking system that doesn't require any personal data, that is freakin' awesome. Kudos to you for thinking of that Smiley

It does sound a little daunting at implementation. You mention p2p distribution, which makes it somewhat complex. A centralized, community controlled site would work too, no?

I like this idea a lot.  I've been trying to think along these lines too and keep getting stuck with actual implementation.  Is there a framework out there for a true centralized, yet community controlled site? Theoretically if we were to build the Trustbook, it could eat its own dog food and the most trusted members could be elected to have access to sensitive things like DB's, servers and such.  I think this would help considerably as we set up more and more bitcoin websites/exchanges/businesses, as it would give a way to both verify the trustworthiness of the owner/operator but also the authenticity of that person as well.

The most important feature in 'community controlled' is, imo, trust. And trust is gained through disclosure. Think about my lottery site, I am actively preventing suspicion by providing everyone with as much information as possible, including the distribution of bets, so when I say there were 5x2nd prizes, that information can be checked against data that existed before the winning result was chosen.

On the same train of thought we could do accounts based on alias + public key, and allow people to choose their trusted parties (or untrusted, +1/0/-1). If we then disclose the alias trust linkage, I'm sure that all the smart people around here could detect suspicious movements. How could this system be broken? If I create 100 users that all trust my real user, then that user has +100, but none of the 100 fake users is trusted by anyone, so no profit there. But if my real user get trust points from the community, and I trust the 100 that trust me back, this would be slightly different, unless I don't care about who else trusts you, unless they are already in my web of trust.

But I digress, and I need to work Smiley

We agree with you nelisky that full disclosure is important for trust - that's why it is one of the foundational parts of the new type of reputation platform we are building. But we disagree with you chaord in that we think this type of system should be decentralized - no third party should have control over your reputation. Decentralized reputation is something our team has been thinking long and hard about -and we think we have found a solution. Check out our white paper at chlu.io and see what you think, would be really interested to hear your thoughts on it.

We will be posting an announcement on bitcointalk soon with more details

7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Decentralized Reputation/Marketplace on: September 21, 2017, 08:19:22 PM
What would be the ideal way to use a sidechain or fork of Ethereum/Bitcoin to establish a trustless 2-of-2 escrow system?
The major problem with 2-of-2 escrow for non-cryptocurrency transactions is that there is no way on-chain to verify the transaction validity without the use of a centralized oracle system or other means.
2-of-2 escrow then allows an attack by which they "reject" delivery, receiving a refund but have actually received the product. This is very inconvenient for anyone trying to set up a decentralized type marketplace.
My potential solution is to issue (via ethereum smart contract or other means) a token for X coins to the smart contract (giving them some amount of value) and establishing a secondary market for them (any major crypto exchange works fine here, more is better).
A Seller (Alice) could then require a given TX require a given amount of collateral tokens per the smart contract.
A Buyer (Bob) would be responsible for "putting up" or "staking" the contract in addition to the crypto used for payment.
In the event of a seller-accept buyer-reject "scam" - the buyer would still be refunded his coins, but the reputation token would be "burned" into the void for malicious behavior. This occurs whether the seller shipped the item or not - creating a disincentive both to initiate a false dispute, and to initiate a dispute, generally. The problem that I see is the value of the collateral token must be strictly controlled such that X is a high enough value to incentivize accepting delivery it would be within standards, but not so high as to make a defection staggering in the event of a scam. Potentially you could write the contract such that the seller chooses the amount of collateral tokens required for the transaction based on the value, and the buyer chooses whether to accept this risk or not.

aquapanic you pose an interesting idea here worth giving some thought to. Decentralized reputation is something our team has been thinking long and hard about. You can check out our white paper at chlu.io, we would definitely be curious what your thoughts are.

We will be posting an announcement on bitcointalk soon with more details
8  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Decentralized reputation network on: September 21, 2017, 02:49:14 PM
Hey guys, we love the discussion here. Decentralized reputation is something our team has been thinking long and hard about. We think we have found a solution. Check out our white paper at CHLU.io and see what you think!

We will be posting an announcement on bitcointalk soon with more details.
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