Nice from you but the truth is they will come to the forum when is too late. I think in your case was the same. You registered here only after you lost your coins. Same case for almost everyone.

Sorry to hear that.

balkalminer.com is not the same as baikalminer.com

balkalminer.com creation date was 2017-09-28 bought with bitcoin from https://www.orangewebsite.com/ and protected by domain privacy

baikalminer.com creation date was 2015-11-25 bought from https://www.alibabacloud.com

balkalminer.com is redirected to baikalminer.com to create authenticity

There are few possible options. Some may be:

Baikal team is running a double business and they stolen your coins fact that is less likely. Baikal team is selling theier contact leads to another mining equipment manufacturer and the comms have been breached fact that is possible. Baikal team communications are compromised fact that is the most probable.

Now is time to buy. Short-term profit available now. In 14 days btc price 24k at least. Go go go! 

Finally some good news for everyone. BTC 24K by 1 Feb 2018. Time to buy! Short-term profit available now! 

Cloudbet casino lost users coins at gambling 

Oh. I never owned any BCH and all my BTC are sold. BCH is sh1t like all alts. BTC was good until 20 days ago when problems started. I know more than most of you about everything related. I was with btc from the begining. I'm spreding what I think they are real news not fake news. I never wanted anyone financial loss. BTC use technology 10 years old. I want for everyone to remember btc with pleasure. If we don't complain nothing will happen. We all need an update. I knew about the bch launch on exchanges before everyone. I knew about the price drop and everything as well as I know the price will drop more. I have posted here before the sh1t hit the fan but I think nobody accounted my words and nobody must do.

Is not volatile. It struggle to keep its value over 10k. This will not stay for long. In the very near future it will drop under 10k / bitcoin. The high transfer fees are a real issue. They can't handle it and they won't handle it. Until DDOS attacks on nodes will stop will be to late for btc. The technology behind has proven weak and not for the future. To implement a global payment system nowadays is almost impossible because everything resume to calculation power we don't have yet. A secure reliable way to handle millions of transactions per second has been yet discovered. Quantic computers may be a temporary solution but still not available for large consumers. It may become available in 100 years but this is not sure. A new technology based on data transfer using light has been under development for many years but still we don't have the tech because is too expensive.

The flaw is when more people step in. The more to come the worse it gets.

I don't know if btc died yet, but keep an eye on all big bitcoin business that will go down on the next weeks. Segwit2x announced just to try to revive the price hoping more investors will fall for the same scam again. Price went up just because the banks were closed for holidays. You all saw once banks could operate the price went back down and it will keep decreasing. Take care and happy new crypto era! 

Told you many times. Is the time to get out not to get in.

All crypto will be devastated by the upcoming situation and news in the crypto market

Even if you don't want to believe it this will happen

most afected will be LTC, BTC and BTC derivates

The less will suffer will be ETH

They knew, and I didn't figure it out until now. They knew that a lot of crypto will be sold and tried to regulate it to collect some taxes. They knew 100% this will happen and announced regulations. Now big players try to get out before the regulations will came in effect. Market dump at a big scale. Only blind people don't see. If you invested after 10k / btc then you will be left with nothing. I will still stick around to watch people cry. Kinda sadistic 

Don't understand me wrong I don't want nobody financial harm but some ignorat peoples blindly invest in things they don't even know or understand and suddenly act as all knowers.

As you can see in the last days the price of BCH is really strange. Can anyone give a rational reason for that? or they realised there is no point to try to double up the price of the btc from 10k to 20k to 40k and so on when they can put higher transactions fees on btc network to create a reason and make people shift for an cheaper alt that easly can double up. If you invest 1 mil in a thing that now has the price 1 cent and tomorrow you hope it will have a price of 2 cents is the same thing like when you invest 1 mil in a thing that now cost 10k and tomorrow you hope it costs 20k, except is easyer to rise the price from 1 cent to 2 cents than rising the price from 10k to 20k.

This will happen often in 2018, you will see new btc derived alts that will take the path of btc and suddenly drop down. If I'm not wrong the creators of BCH has already announced a new airdrop for a new alt like BCH.

My advice. Stay away 2 weeks. BTC may drop under 10k. I dunno that.    As mentioned before big whales going out... small suckers pouring in... maybe

Every sane people know that 99% of bitcoin based business were created to steal real money. If this is not true then why some big btc holder why don't invest in alts? Why they are selling big now and keeping short stash of btc? Why all of them ask money for btc? As many examples from this website you already see alt business that make air drops for alt coins only if you deposit minimum amount of eth or btc. Another big scam. No big btc holder will ever go for it because they already know the fraud. You will never get your money back from the alts since they are not backed by real values.

This are made to scam small investors. Same like cloud mining, all private keys websites, trust funds and many others.

I only see here btc holders from when it was like 100 - 200 usd/ btc or even 10 cents. Also I see a lot of holders from the old internet crime rings posing as good traders.

Of course if it was the case for me I will hold to that because my investment is already back to me and every cent the btc will go up from now on it is 100% profit for me.

I want to see how is going with a big player who never had any btc before it's price was lower than 10k. I wonder how much did he invest and how much he hope to gain. Also I wonder if he think he will find another big player like him able to buy a big qty of btc at a higher price.

If there is any on this forum I will like to hear about how he is going. 

Of course you are right but these days I see people forget what is used for and why the price is growing. Every scammer and hacker over internet is a bitcoin trader nowadays.

Everybody post a fake wall between the real bitcoin use and how the world understand bitcoin. If is to speak the truth not even 1% from the planet population really understand it. We, the originals, we know how it did started to grow and why. Some skillfull con artist sold to humanity the air but the humanity can't accept it has been deceived.

I still wait for someone to agree and accept the truth. Only then the world can move to a new age, the age of crypto.

Around this coin always will be a dark cloud. It has it's flaws like everyhting the people adopt without knowing it better.

They can be easy stolen, they can't be recovered, they can't be granted as value using real assets. A lot of people come to bitcoin for profit but they are not powerfull enough to keep it up. The real reason bitcoin price is so high is not the limited supply, high demand or other shit reasons a I see nowadays over the internet to make people invest more on it. Every real people know the high price of btc is given by its capability of moving a large amount of money under the radar. If this will end then btc will end. There are a lot of crypto out there. Why nobody buy them to invest? They maybe growing in 10 years to 100k / coin. Why nobody think that about them and only about bitcoin.

I know why. Because all the mafia has focused on laundering money over bitcoin not over other crypto. If they chose tomorrow onion or eth or any other crypto to wash money then the price of btc will drop down to earth and chosen crypto will go to the sky. The word will fall to its ignorance.

To be a success trader always keep in mind and not forget what are you trading and why. I see a lot of shit traders take the rise of the bitcoin price as granted. They will be sorry someday.

The trend now is to invest. The scary part is the price. A not knower will never believe that buying a btc at 15k will make him 30k in few days. A lot of people ask and want to try but also a lot of people will not take the risk to invest high money in crypto. The high amounts come from bogus business and everybody know it.

Is never late to get in as long as you know when to get out! There are a lot of people with atleast 1000 btc in the wallets who will never see theier paper millions. If a world wide campain to cash out bitcoin will start then only few will get any real money. 99% of the btc owners will never cash them out because they can't or they will cash it at any price under $1000. The price drop will be so fast that even if you are a quantum comp you will never cash it out fast enough.

Sometime you have to reward yourself. What about now?

End of bitcoin in EU has been announced. 18 months from now. It seams a lot of big companies went to btc to avoid all taxes. EC planned to correct that and they passed friday a law forcing all EU exchanges not to accept anonymous transactions regarding cryptocurrencies. This will affect also prepaid cards and trust funds. They have to comply in 18 months. They put the term of 18 months because of a powerfull lobby on EC. A lot of powerfull companies in EU had to get their money back from btc in 18 months.

Hold on tight because this ride will be a bumpy one for 18 months.

This mean the btc will become a new asset with a VAT value added and controled by the gov like they control your gas, sugar, cocoa and all high demans trading assets. All the law will change and all miners will be called manufacturers and they will pay tax like everyone else. I believe you can't be miner anymore unless you open a legal company to mine crypto.

Many of you think right now this can't happen and they can't know if you are miner or not. They know 100% if they want to know. Don't forget the gov. control the power you use to mine the crypto. When a household will pass over the estimated consumption amount for more months in a row then that household is susceptible of crypto mining or drug growing. Don't understand me wrong but they already have power profiles for every household. This is kept to avoid power stealing. If you pass over or under for more months in a row then you got yourself a tail. 

From my opinion we will see a fast price drop and fast price rise and in the end btc will stay only as a trading token with a fixed regulated value. At least within the borders of EU.

I hope I'm wrong.

They just realised bitcoin is no more solvable. The only way to get out of bitcoin if you own a high amount of coins is by selling them easy. Facebook style sale.

Some of you already know that facebook is systematically sold. The team behind the sale thought good when they realised if they will list facebook for the entire price is less likely someone has the cash to pay for it. So they will do it in 100 years. The same thing will happen if someone try to sell big amount of btc. They can't doit at once because the price will drop down to earth. So the only way to pour safe money from big amount of btc is by selling it easy.

I'm wrong thinking that way?

Just hit the wrong button and they are gone!  


See ETH example.

Bitcoin is no more solvable into real money. If you try to sell 100k coins you can't! No one will buy it!

The real money just took the lead!

After 4 days of waiting and tens of messages to cloudbet.com customer service they released my withdraw

Is it proven that they pay but also is it proven they have a crap CS and payments are very very delayed! Nice casino but bad services offered. Shame!

@Josepht, actually I have to tell you that this is not true. Another casino I'm playing with is always instant. Deposit is available once the transactions is registered on blockchain with 0 confirmations. If your deposit is confirmed by 3 or more confirmations you can withdraw any funds and when I did that never took more than 5 mns the transactions to apear on blockchain. Most of time is in 30 secs. Joined cloudbet.com for sport bettings but that dosen't work too!

I understood they keep my funds to see if everything is alright but 48 hours passed already and no answer from theier support and no withdraw released.

If this is a subject of fraud check (I don't see what fraud with bitcoin since I have transfered them the coins 2 days ago and they received it since then) then they should tell me, do the fraud check and get done with it. But they keep telling me they can't tell based on theier past experience how much time will take for an withdraw to be released. The live chat guy really told me that if this is not mentioned on theier website it can take between 24 hours and 10 years. WTF!

I don't understand how many withdraws can they have if they don't release 0.04 btc in 48 hours. This can't be explained by me, they can't explain it, nobody can. The only 2 reasons I see are this:

1. They keep your money locked as much as possible hopping you will cancel the withdraw.
2. The website is fraud.


If they don't release the withdraw until monday I will be 100% sure that this is fraud. There is no logical explanation to me why they don't tell me anything or release the funds.

cloudbet.com - The worst casino ever! Stay away!

Yesterday 2 November 2017 I have made a deposit of 100 USD with this casino called cloudbet.com. I have won equivalent of 200 USD so my total was 300 USD. To test the system I have wanted to withdraw 200 USD from it and played and lost the remaining 100 USD. All good an nice so far.
My withdraw apeared in my account as pendig but nothing strange yet.

After 2 - 3 hours I have contacted cloudbet.com live chat to see why my withdraw is still pending. The guy from live chat said to me that because of "fraud check" my withdraw is still in pendig. I said OK I wait and left the chat.

After another 2-3 hours I have contacted again cloudbet.com live chat to see why my withdraw is still pending. The guy from live chat, this time, said to me that it may take up to 24 hours for my withdraw to be processed. I said Ok again and left the chat.

Today 3 November 2017 with 4 hours before the 24 hours has passed I have contacted again cloudbet.com live chat to see why my withdraw is still pending. The guy told me again that it may take up to 24 hours. I said OK again and left the chat. After 2 hours I have contacted again cloudbet.com live chat to see why my withdraw is still pending. The guy told me same thing it may take 24 hours to process. Then I have asked him if exactly 24 hours or more. He told me that up to 24 hours and that he will forward my issue to withdraws team. I have asked him more informations about why my funds are not realeased and he denied to answer. I have asked him when the withdraw team will be back to me and he told me that when they have time.

I have asked him why they are so busy that in 24 hours they couldn't release 200 USD. He denied to answer claiming that is out of his power.

Now the 24 hours have passed and I'm back on chat with my friend Roy

Again he told me that he can't tell me why they don't release my 200 usd even if the 24 hours has passed. I told him to point me on theier website at the section where it says in how much time a issues is resolved. He really answered me that they don't have this info. I have asked him if the people are rightfull to know in how much time theier issues will be resolved. He really answered me "NO".

When I asked him why on theier website it says that deposits and withdraws are almost instantly and only for large amounts may take a while he told me that they will look into it.



From the cloudbet.com website:

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How long will my deposit take to be credited?
All deposits are processed instantly. If you do not see you deposit credited to your account within a few seconds please contact our support team at support@cloudbet.com with details of your transaction.

TRUE
 
 
How long will my withdrawal take to be processed?
The vast majority of withdrawals are processed instantly. However, for security reasons it is necessary for us to process very large withdrawals manually, which will result in a short delay. If you have any concerns about a withdrawal please don’t hesitate to contact support@cloudbet.com with your transaction details.

FALSE



Why should I use a Bitcoin gaming site rather than one featuring traditional payment methods?
Bitcoin is a great option for a number of reasons:

- Quicker processing times (instant deposits and withdrawals) TRUE only for deposit

- The currency and its infrastructure provide you with greater privacy (an email address is all you need to create an account) TRUE

- No payment processing costs, and it eliminates the risk of credit card fraud FALSE

- Complete control over the security of your funds FALSE



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Conclusion is the next 2 possible versions:

1. They keep your money locked more than 24 hours hopping you will cancel the withdraw.
2. The website is fraud.


I will let you know if they will release my funds or not.

Hello guys, now I want to warn everybody of a new scheme how to cheat sellers on lbc using WU.

As everybody know WU transfer check system will only show you limited infos. about the status of a transfer. That's why the lbc dispute team will get tricked by this.

This is how a real scenario will happen!

First step:

Scammer will find a low feedback user that accept WU as payment and start lbc normal trade with him.

Second step:

Scammer will go and pay the money by WU to the seller but when he send the payment, send only $50. Once WU give him the MTCN he will get a blank copy of a transfer receipt and complete it using real details and real MTCN obtained from WU but change amount to real amount he has to send to the seller.

Step three:

Scammer mark payment as complete and send payment details to seller through lbc chat system. Scammer wait 5 - 10 minutes and cancel the WU transfer. The status of the wu transfer will change to picked-up.

Step four:

Start dispute. Once scammer will cancel the transfer will ask the seller for bitcoin since the seller has picked up the money. Seller will deny. Then scammer start dispute with him on lbc.

Step five:

Get the btc. Scammer will provide lbc with all the details they ask and the scammer will get btc 100%. LBC dispute team can't check for real what happens to the transfer and based on scammer evidence (WU receipt and transfer check as picked-up on wu.com) the scammer have sent the money and seller has picked up the money!