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1  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin smartcard Point of Sale terminal on: May 10, 2011, 10:30:11 PM
The confirmation issue can probably be overcome.  But there is another issue that cannot be solved with smart-cards.

A smart-card does not have an independent display.  You must trust the POS system that you plug your card into.
The POS can claim that it is debiting $1 from your card, while it is really transferring $100.  You won't notice this until you try to use your card again, which is probably much too late.  There is no way to overcome this issue, except for using a device with its own display (like a smartphone).

This is not an issue for credit cards because the bank can do a charge back.  If this happens to you (and it does happen) you just call up your bank and they give you your money back.  But Bitcoin is different...

Yes and the lack of a display on the smart card nixes any added information value of the effort which is why I suggested 2D Barcoding as a win-win. The retail perks of having more information given to the customer and the retailer is going to offset any concerns of cost to implement.

Plus the interface on the phone would have the option to challenge the bitcoin account holder for validation, meaning the amount paid will be verified, and it can't be stolen and abused by simply physically having the phone.
2  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin smartcard Point of Sale terminal on: May 10, 2011, 04:49:56 PM
Update from the guy who works with SIMs. He talked to his sales rep, and rep said that with such small order volume a 64K JavaCard would probably go for $0.55-0.60. That is in Singapore. More volume obviously means cheaper cards.

What I don't get is why anyone would make effort to go backwards in the tech tree? Smart cards are just another point of failure and expense when we already carry smart phones?

I've been doing work with point of sale (professionally) for over 9 years now, and you can trust me when I say that I've got no love for the existing infrastructure.

I'd push for a in-store product registry with Aztec(public domain) or similar 2d barcoding on the items for information and purchasing. Scanning one of these items will bring up the entire history of the item which can in many cases add value to the store/products.

When you spot something you wish to own, you'd scan it (take a picture) with a mobile app that would handle the purchase and authenticate. You can place the item in your cart and at the checkout the cashier scans the items a second time to confirm which ones are paid and which need to be paid to continue.

This would allow the retailer to do promotions on items and track those sales, while still allowing everything else to be purchased normally. Retailers LOVE solutions that they can ease into slowly without shutting down the store for a few days. Smiley
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