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Mithras,
I don't see you as someone who is concerned with the "potential dangers" of what you think could happen. You claim to have provided input into the project. What did you do exactly to help? You seem knowledgeable in the arena of Crypto Currencies, did you do everything you could to help direct or did you just complain about it? Did you step up to the plate and provide well delivered information that can be put to use by the Dev?
I interpret this project as being developed by everyday people, who more than likely work full time jobs and have busy lives. Everything has to start from somewhere and most likely will not be perfect from the beginning. Ideas and skills are gained through experience. Regardless of whatever you post, does not affect much. It seems that you had a chance to make a difference in this project, but could not succeed in regards to the people aspect. It appears that you could not acclimate to different personalities.
The choice to have the purchase information encrypted was based on my suggestion because I explained their original idea of encoding it as an image was insecure. I attempted to explain technical limitations of their suggested implementation, but this was largely ignored because the team do not have the technical experience to judge it. I discussed to potential risks to privacy that the system had, and did try to suggest alternative solutions, but again, everything was just taken as an attack instead of legitimate criticism. Crypto coins are very complex systems, and one that does as much as ohni claims to do would be an unprecedented level of complication, this is not something that should be built by everyday people. This is a system where a single mistake, a single technical screw up can render it completely useless. The only thing this project has actually produced is a simple website, some poor APP UI graphics, and a ton of shills. This is nothing. The website can in no way be used to say this "dev" is capable of doing anything he has claimed. Anybody can build a website, or buy a template and change some things around, building a real crypto currency system like ohni wants to be takes significant technical and academic skills. I have two posts back further in the thread with probably a dozen simple and valid questions that have gone unanswered. The ohni team will avoid answering things directly as much as possible and instead will just throw insults or threats. Also: Ohni are paying people to say good things and support the project.That is really strange. They want tons of personal info and money, but they do not say who they are. Who is the CEO founder? Only has links to fake facebook accounts. And then: https://www.facebook.com/thethird.mann.5?pnref=lhc.friends "I'll give 30K ohni for posting a positive review of us on the ANN. We need all the support we can get! Just tell me your address!" https://imgur.com/a/i8kFb archive img of post
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Thank you for the project. I'm sorry this was derailed. Mithras was someone who had to be kicked off the project for his childish behavior and since then he's been trying to hound us down. I will happily tell everybody what happened. I joined the project from /pol/ while you were shilling an airdrop. By this point it had been running a few weeks, and it was just around the time the drama with the devs was happening. When I asked you questions, or tried to give constructive input based on technical knowledge you felt that I was challenging you for control. I wasn't, the fact is that your idea is poorly thought out as I have continued to outline in my posts. You, the_third_man, do not have the required technical or economics understanding to design and implement an average coin, let alone one as trans-formative is ohni claims to be. Why exactly does Ohni need to give access to the US government when no other coin does?
Sooner or later regulations will clamp down on tokens, whether they'll be viewed as securities or three letter agencies will require skeletons keys, either way that day will come and Ohni will be ready. The NSA and FBI do not care about privacy, we want to restore some semblance of balance by allowing skeleton keys but having be publicly announced when in use. Again, this is a simple fear mongering tactic. We are very pro-privacy and care very much about consumers, who we are trying to help. They cannot require keys if they fundamentally do not exist and, if you token is vulnerable to technical censorship when you refuse to create keys, create a better protocol. Do not just say "oh, well, the government wants me to bend over and give em a good time, better do it" Why should people trust you with their personal information?
There is zero personal information. Not who spent, what bank account, no credit card numbers encrypted and passed around on the off-chain IoT. Again, fear mongering to try and hurt us. All just because you were insufferable and how to be removed from the discord. This is very inappropriate Mithras. Very. Anyway, there will be no personal information, merely, How much was bought, When it was bought, Where it was bought, What (if possible down the road) was bought, but never Who. Furthermore, the process of cashback in the form of Ohni actually will pay people for their spending information and the whom will simply be an address. So much in the way ethereum or bitcoin aren't totally private if you know who is behind the address, for the most 99.99999% transactions are totally private since nobody knows WHO is behind the address. Zero personal information? I think you should read your own white paper, page 67, chapter 6, first paragraph. Ohni will have many different tokens for non-profit purposes on the Ohni Economic Model. The only other economic token that is for profit is the medical token. For example, if an elderly individual is rushed to the hospital, by entering in their name or social security number, immediate medical conditions could be found, as well as any past surgeries or medical complications. This process could even be done on the phone or in the ambulance. These tokens will be sold to insurance companies, on the premise that they offer anyone under their care to them for free. Why do you refuse to share you own real name?
BECAUSE. Look at you! Attacking me! Do you see this? You're trying to come at us from very angle! I tell people I didn't go to college because it was a waste of money and you try and claim I'm some uneducated peasant. Maybe, if you the very, very, very few upset people like yourself that don't have blood in your eyes, weren't out to get me, I would! But I'm afraid I'll get doxxed and swatted and who knows what else. Besides, we haven't even raised funds yet, we want hire lawyers before we really get in the game. Your hatred is proof positive that someone can be so upset on the internet over nothing.
You got kicked out because you were extremely rude. There was no way to deal with you.
And you want me to go off-anon to be harassed by you? No thank you. If you read what I write carefully, most of the time you will see that I am simply attacking your ideas and not your personally. When I do attack you personally it is because you answer or ideas are stupid at best or outright malicious at worst. You have to convince us that you are trust worthy and the idea is solid, we do not have to give it any benefit of the doubt. I do not care that you kicked me out, I care that you are trying to shill shitty technology. I care that your technology if successful would be an unprecedented invasion of privacy. Why should you have the ability to freeze other peoples money at your discretion?
To prevent another Mt. Gox. I am the creator of this new economic model, it took 8 years and I will see it through to it's full path. Again, the only wallets that are frozen are the people who tried to rip us off, which is about... 9 wallets? At most... And we have over 2600 wallets or something like that at the moment? This freezing power won't continue on for a long time. It was meant as a temporarily relief over people like YOU who are trying to hurt us. Again, we have to deal in a decentralized and anonymous way until we're capable to be strong enough to stand attacks as vulgar and desperate as yours! You're trying to make us seem like a scam, when we are nothing of the sort! We've grown from NOTHING, in 76 days through SHEER hard work WHICH DID not involve you and you got upset.
As for freezing, it also helps save the network. If someone is trying to inject malware or steal a ton of tokens, we can freeze the wallet implicated and re-compensate users for their loss. It's for protection and as well these admin privileges allow versioning or updates of our ethereum contract. Nearly every big coin I believe has them, including Bancor. We're not the only ones and we've been public about since day one. This is not a big surprise and THE ONLY people who are upset over this are the people who promised to dev work then ripped us off and fled. And the fact that you take their side shows that as upset as you are, I was right to retain freezing privileges. You have been working on this for 8 years? and all you have is a white paper and a website? I presume because it is 8 years, you started just after bitcoin was released? You must be a super early adopter then? how is it being rich? why do you need our money to get started? The number of wallets doesn't matter, we are arguing the principle of being able to freeze. You want to freeze my coins because I publicly criticize your ideas? Did you start 8 years ago, or 76 days ago? What changed? Bancor having them is a shitty idea too, as many people have said. Why should any exchange list your token (which is needed for most people to be interested and for it to gain any real value), when you have screwed the one exchange that did by freezing the wallet?
I told them to return the 600 million tokens that the fake devs fled with and confiscate the other 42 million and we would return any Ohni to any users lost. We have a guy we will return ether to because he lost on the exchange. The exchange failed to cooperate and it was never my decision to be on there in the first place, it was the fake devs who pushed me to find one exchange. Bad idea, it was a mistake. The reason why is because a repeat of this will never happen. It can't. We don't have a bunch of tokens sitting there of people who are going to profit enormously for ripping us off. It's like the DAO hack but having it very early on from untrustworthy people. And you've shown your true colors, attacking us at every angle to showcase that I was right in my decision. I have already spoken with a number of exchanges, the exchange isn't a worry for me, my worry is raising funds and hiring lawyers and getting a corporate charter up to be official and to dissuade the multitude of lies and hate that people like you are spreading. I am not lieing about anything, I am asking questions and criticizing the fundamental ideas and principles that your coin is built on. You are asking everyone to use ohni as the new way of life and for them to trust that you, ttm, are the person to manage and administer it. That you are the person who can be trusted to faithfully and fairly decide who gets frozen, who doesn't. But we don't get the know your name. They weren't fake devs, they were poorly chosen devs. Poorly chosen by you. But we can still trust you will choose wisely next time right?
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Edited to add more questions or points Why does ohni need to give access to US.
Answer: The key here is you control your identity more than you have before.
1. When this is functional you wont require storing ID, phone numbers, names, social security, personal security information etc on centralized databases
You are verified souly on your unique address.
In this scenario everything is cenralised with ohni and the government as they have skeleton keys. Distributing the information across a blockchain does not remove the centralized access it has. What happens if I lose that address? 2 Lets say you are a terroist, a domestic terrorist, criminal or any fasion of danger, it would be a much needed tool to assist keeping you the people safe.
This is NOT losing liberty for temporary security, it is more liberty with accountability.
I am losing privacy(liberty) by the US government gaining the ability to see more of my personal information and purchase history. The very suggestion that it will provide any extra security to society is exactly the same justification used for mass illegal spying. Consciously planning on becoming a part of this massive infringement of individual privacy is not a moral thing to do. 3. Lets say you are found unconscious, but the medic does not know who you are, where youre from, your age, allergies, medical history or anything.
He could potentially cause harm with his interventions.
As a medic myself i find it very useful to have the ability to verify all of that in moments.
Modernised life saving equipment also can communicate wih IoT to save your life.
There are many other more suitable solutions to this issue that are not built on the wholesale collection and exploitation of personal information. What if the person who is unconscious does not want or would not consent to you having access to that information? What if a device that has this kind of access is stolen, this would compromise every bodies medical history. 4 your daughter is kidnapped, with IoT, Smart ID and the help of honest police, your daughter can be rescued in minutes or hours, not days or years. This is perhaps the most ridiculous case of FUD I have ever seen. Please explain any part of the idea where Ohni, IoT, Smart ID contribute to saving a kidnapped daughter. Do you believe that many police don't honestly look for kids when they go missing, and that its such a systematic problem that a systematic solution is required? Recovery in minutes would suggest GPS or some kind of real time tracking? So ohni crop will know where we are at all times too? Please see BlocksafeFoundations use case and relate that with identity. The success of a different coin is in no way indicative of the merit of even a similar coin as so many little details go into making a successful crypto currency. --Next question why should people trust us?
No one but YOU has your information, its your responsibility.
You hold your key not us.
This is a lie, there is a skeleton key by your own words, the US government has access to that data. If the US government has a skeleton key, who gave it to them? It must have been given by ohni corp, which means ohni corp must have the key too. --why should we be able to freeze
Please reflect on the fisrt major ethereum fork.
If they could have simply froze the criminals wallet, that could have been utilized to isolate and locate the stolen funds.
There have been countless thefts of crypto currencies, and they all suck and are difficult to recover from, but this is the trade off for privacy and control of your money. Again, why should you, be given control over my money? The moment Ohni has any value it would be extremely foolish for us to risk legal ramifications.
What legal ramifications? Its for your benefit.
Said every person with bad intentions ever. In the future with voting, we may see a true democracy, to justify actions such as freezing. So now if I say something that people don't like they can freeze all my money after getting me fired? Finally, the exhange associated with the question was holding tokens that were essentially stolen. With no cooperation and noticeable manipulation it was done. It did not happen overnight. Please provide proof that the coins were stolen. What is noticeable manipulation? This also doesn't answer my questions of why an exchange should list you. This is a question of practicality and already broken trust on ohni's part. Again it would be extremely foolish for us to do that to, for example Bittrex. If you coin being listed puts it at risk of failing, it is probably not a great idea to begin with. I hope this clears up some worries. Not really, you have contradicted your own whitepaper at least once. We are 100% forthright about our intentions, we do however not tolerate unethical behavior and we speak our mind. Since when have you guys been the arbiters of what counts as unethical behavior? Do you think racism is unethical? Is abortion? Will this be enough for you guys to freeze coins? I KNOW WHO THE FUCK YOU ARE MITHRAS AKA JOHN KELLY ROSE I WILL BE PRESSING YOU FOR CHARGES DR DAEDALUS I honestly can't tell if this is a joke or not, but in the off chance it is serious. Lol, I am not John kelly Rose. For what its worth, I used clean accounts for every time I ever touched anything related to ohni, if you really wanna ID me you will have to sue bitcointalk for my email  Good luck 
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Nothing remains hidden in the whitepaper. It is a tell all. Honesty has always been my policy and you'll see that time and time again. As well as continual work as we have grown from nothing to something. You may read it for yourselves if you inquire. Again, I apologize about all this disruption, some people have very strong feelings on Ohni. You can listen to them if you wish but we will not and will continue to grow. Thank you for your understanding in advance. Your missing the point, and avoiding the ciritisms. Why exactly does Ohni need to give access to the US government when no other coin does? Why should people trust you with their personal information? Why do you refuse to share you own real name? Why should you have the ability to freeze other peoples money at your discretion? Why should any exchange list your token (which is needed for most people to be interested and for it to gain any real value), when you have screwed the one exchange that did by freezing the wallet?
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This is Titor. The one who tried to defraud our company He promised he would be here and here he is. He stole 250 million tokens by doing minimal dev work and trying to make off with it and staging a coup.
He will be criminally prosecuted as soon as we get funds. We're talking serious prison time for fraud, theft, libel among many other things. We will ensure that the fullest weight of the law falls on him and his gang of thieves. I am not Titor, I am a different person you were an asshole too. I have something like 50k tokens sat somewhere and that's it. I am here because it is clear you have bad intentions and are only driven by greed and control. Skeleton keys will be required by the government as we expand. Why? Was it required for any other crypto? But you are not a real poster unfortunately, Titor. You're only going to make this much more harder on yourself when the judge's gavel comes down. I'm sorry it has had to come to this. I am not Titor, and you really don't understand the world if you think I will be in trouble for repeating YOUR words, and for criticizing an idea.
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Don't just take my word for it people, check the contract yourself https://etherscan.io/address/0x7f2176ceb16dcb648dc924eff617c3dc2befd30d#codeLine 143 function freezeAccount(address target, bool freeze) onlyOwner { frozenAccount[target] = freeze; FrozenFunds(target, freeze); }
And the statement about you wanting to give the skeleton keys too NSA/FBI and other GOV agencies is in your own white paper that you just published. Who in their right mind wants a crypto currency that the US gov has full access too?
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DO NOT BUYThis token has freezing and the one exchange that listed it previously had their wallet frozen because the_third_man fell out with some early users. This is the V1 of the white paper, and really shows the kind of people behind this project. http://docdro.id/N9HVonoSome Quotes because its is long and rambling Ch. 7 - Freezing We gave 1.3 Billion tokens away in airdrops, in exchange people promising to promote us. There was just no other way to grow at the time. We gave Ohni Tokens to less than amicable communities, Reddit, 4chan, 8chan and others. We did not discriminate, whoever would take our token, we gave it away.
There was a mistake however. Some of these users bandwagoned onto the development team and in exchange they were given large sums of tokens for their proposed and promised work. They fled . Not only that but they tried to sink the project and spread lies and disinformation. There is no particular reason, no logic behind it either for us. We assume human greed has loomed over them.
Either way, a large mistake was made. Large sums (in the hundreds of millions) of tokens were given away to thesepromised developers. They were supposed to help code the website, edit the whitepaper and promote amongst other things. They did none of this and squandered both precious time and resources. However, the project did manage to move ahead through incredibly persistent efforts, as it always will no matter what. In our vision of integrity and absolute honesty, we will lay out the problem. These devs were asked to return 80% of their tokens, and could keep the rest as a sign of goodwill on behalf of the company. All except one chose to keep their tokens. So the accounts were, frozen . This means they could receive Ohni but not send it. Which in turn means they would never be able to send their Ohni from their wallets to an exchange. In time, Ohni will hire lawyers and sue these scammers and confiscate the tokens. These tokens will be used for the purpose of non-profit tokens and will not affect the Consumer Token price at all, as they will never be used for profit or to raise funds in a crowdsale.
7.1 Earlier Troubles
If there’s any catch in this project, it’s that there is about 640 million, or the second largest token holder, sitting on a frozen account in some backwater exchange in Ukraine. Now, allow us to explain the matter. The developers, rather than return the token decided to sell the token. This was fine as this was proposed. But rather then sell all of their tokens , which they were asked to do, they have put a nominal amount up and kept the rest in different accounts. All of these accounts are now frozen as is the exchange account. There was one exchange at the time that decided to accept us. I, as the CEO, had no intention of wanting our tokens on any exchange but was pushed by these scammers to do so. So, they fled to that exchange and I froze it and contacted them (the exchange) to retrieve the tokens. I said that since Ohni had no price at the time, that they could confiscate whatever was outside the developers promised tokens (42 million) and return the 600 million, belonging to the scammers to me. They refused and began to angrily retort that we were a scam.
7.2 Consequences
It is precisely for these reasons that Ohni Corporation will retain the right to freeze tokens. For issues such as this. The argument started over whether or not, TTM the CEO, Founder and creator of this idea would retain the right to freeze such tokens. They of course wanted me, as CEO, to relinquish the right of the tokens so they could take over the project, since they saw the potential for immense profitability. They were soundly retorted. Rather than compromise or negotiate, they attempted a “coup” or subtle but hostile takeover. They were spotted.
So what will happen, is that if they are ever discovered or try and claim their tokens, they will be sued and criminal charges will be brought up for fraud. The main scammer, by the name “John Titor” and his friend “Adam White” are both Germans residing in England. We will use our political lobbying force, legal team and other means available to use to ensure that these two face serious time in a cold cell for their crime of fraud, libel and theft. Every token has something bad about them and this is ours.
And from the current V2 white paper 4.2 Skeleton Keys
A particular big issue with any project that involves identity, is the issue of privacy. One of the biggest roadblocks to that is government interference. This comes at the expense of privacy in many areas, such as when the FBI wanted access to an Iphone and Apple refused. Of course, Ohni cannot stand in the way of a legal warrant, but Ohni can implement something as well. There will be skeleton keys given to Federal Agencies: NSA, FBI, etc and keys given to some state agencies (nominally, Police).
It is with these tokens that messages, transfers of Ohni and other information can be decrypted. However, when that token is used or that skeleton key is utilized, the user who has been searched is notified. Second, the public will also be notified on a list of agencies and what wallets they peered into, but not token addresses. This will give both the public and user to utilize as some sort of accountability against federal oversight, but still comply and allow federal agencies the tools they need to fight crime.
"Ohni Corp" wants to know all your purchase history and personal information, and then they want to give skeleton keys to this data to the 3 letter agencies. If this isn't a scam, it is a massive threat to personal privacy and freedom. This whole coin is just a template ERC20 token set up by some kid with no formal education who scraped together a website and some nice graphics, it is badly thought out and purely driven by the personal greed of ttm and those early joiner who have hundreds of millions of tokens (ttm has BILLIONS). Do not waste your money people.
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