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dev ,what's algo of your coin , and any official pool here? when will hit exchange market ,any plan?
Hi, Our block creation algo was created by our head developer. It automatically adjusts each new block size depending on previous block height. This ensures that confirmations are confirmed within our 90 seconds timeframe. No official mining pool yet. Will keep you updated on further developments. We are in discussion with HitBTC to list on their exchange first. Best, Can you please try to stay away from shady HiTBTC? That would be amazing! Also from YoBIT and Cryptopia too... Actually, any exchange which has "chat" built in... Just don't go there, please? Interesting project and nice effort there! Good luck with this project! |
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PEOPLE, JUST RELAX, BITCONNECT BOT WILL SAVE US SOON!
COME ON, BOT, WHERE ARE YOU NOW?!?!
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I am relieved that I didn't buy any of this an get involved. So many peeps were spamming their ref links to me on Facebook it was hurting my eyeballs. I just feel sad for all of those who followed the likes of Craig Grant and Trevon James while they raked it in from the referral bonuses. I see too many internet marketers on Facebook now spouting so called knowledge about crypto as if they are trading Gods and Bitcoin know it alls. They don't give a sh*t about the technology unless it has a referral link shoved on its backside lol
So much truth in this post! |
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Hi All,
I'm mining on etn.spacepools.org and my hash rate is little over 8K. Seems like my payouts are reducing. Do you have any idea about this?
Same here... I decided to stay away from spacepools.org, would recommend the same to the others ;) |
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Look, man, I completely understand your problem. I would be furious if the same thing happened to me, especially because you did follow all the instructions and everything seems 100% correct here. But this really has nothing to do with ETN or their team. This is solely Cryptopia's problem. The link you provided proves you that everything is 100% good on ETN side and that there's no a single reason that ETN is not showing up on that address (I assume you checked like 100 times already that both the address and payment id are correct). |
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well thats a big reason why cryptocurrencies where invented and its the beauty of cryptocurrencies, you dont have to trust anybody and its save. you have a decentralized, almost unbreakable bank, that you dont have to trust. You on the otherhand can be hacked, but you're properly not a big target and will be only targeted by mass trojans and phising. An official ETN online wallet, that holds a big percentage of the funds on the other hand is a big target. So you can trust and use whatever bank and online service you want, but dont compare them with cryptocurrencies.
Oh sir, you have to gain enormous trust in crypto world, otherwise you're completely f**ed. I can tell you about at least 20 ICOs which were direct scams and people ran away with money. Real money. The idea with crypto is to get rid of greedy banks (and yes, to decentralize the trust also). However, there's still people involved and people are scum. No one cares about you and everyone is looking up only for themselves and if they see the opportunity, they will backstab you any time. The first lesson we learned when Internet was "invented" still applies today: TRUST NO ONE, QUESTION EVERYTHING. If you still think different, let me give you the link for my super secure online USD wallet, heh? ;) |
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You haven't answered anything he even asked - your argument is ad hominem...
Well, although I didn't come here to answer him at all, I actually managed to answer his last question: "Is this a problem with Cryptopia or #ETN?". And yes, one of the biggest problems they have is that despite having a large market cap (mostly because everyone is too busy high-fiving themselves about how amazing and 'revolutionary' this coin is) is that it only has one exchange - why have they not made getting listed on other exchanges? Maybe, I dunno, during that month when they shut everything down and locked the wallets?
Couldn't agree more... However, getting listed on exchange is not easy, nor cheap... Actually exactly the opposite, pretty hard and very pricey. Not being listed on more than 1 exchange doesn't mean that coin is a scam. Hope we can agree about that. There is no 'idea' behind ETN, it's just Monero with the promise of mobile mining - which in turn has interested people who probably shouldn't be playing with crypto in the early days because they clearly can't afford to and just think that it's an easy way to get rich.
Most of the stuff in this (real) world are a "copy" of something else. With a different package. And yet, you, like the rest of the world is buying it. I personally don't see that XYZ chocolate is a "scam" just because Milka had chocolate years before XYZ and there's nothing revolutionary about it even though they are marketing it as a "revolutionary" chocolate. People who thought (or still think) that Electroneum will make them rich "easy" and "quickly" are just stupid. There never was and never will be such a thing, at least not for majority of world's population. Still, however, this doesn't classify something as a "scam". Can we agree on this one too? Try addressing the valid issues people have with this rather than just attacking the individuals and maybe it'll have some credibility. Also, don't come to a thread called 'is Electroneum a SCAM' expecting everyone to be high-fiving each other and saying how amazing it is or are raising valid concerns not allowed now?
Again, I completely agree with regarding this. I didn't expect people high-fiving each other on this topic, I came with one reason only, to reply to the post I replied to because I have noticed the same post on a different topic and I couldn't resist to put my 2 cents here and try to explain some things which should be more than obvious. I apologise for that and I admit that I made a mistake by coming here completely. You are completely right when you say that people have "valid issues", but in my eyes, at least the topic title is misleading, because literally each and every "valid issue" has nothing to do with "scamming people". No one got scammed yet, as far as I know. People have lots of questions, lots of confusion, they are impatient, have problems with Cryptopia, but why labelling something as a "scam" then? My disclaimer - I don't think it's a scam and I do hold ETN, I also think it's incredibly mismanaged and over-hyped; but that doesn't mean I won't try and make money off it.
100% agree :) All fair enough - I assumed you were just jumping down his throat as I've bought up points before and the disciples of ETN just turn up and try to shut you down with playground insults rather than answering the issues. The fact you took time to explain says a lot. Well, on the one exchange thing - Electroneum, their team and rabid followers are always telling us how it's the biggest ICO ever so they are not short of money, getting listed on an exchange would be one of the first things I would do alongside not getting hacked and securing things. I mean they marketed it well, but then they are a marketing firm so that's what you'd expect. Yes but your chocolate analogy falls apart. This isn't like Milka chocolate and Galaxy chocolate which are totally different make-ups and ingredients, this is like Milka chocolate and someone copying the ingredients identically then calling it something else but with better marketing. ETN is nothing more than a direct copy of XMR - the team have nearly no blockchain experience and while there's nothing wrong with forking a coin like that, they could at least stop pretending it's so revolutionary when most of that 'revolution' hinges on mobile mining, which it turns out is a) a simulation, b) centralised and c) not available yet. But yes, I'll say it now and I said it before, it's not a scam, at least not deliberately or maliciously but I think they are way out of their depth and it may just fall off a cliff if they don't sort these basic issues out. We can't change the title of the thread so that's kind of that. So maybe not 'scam' but 'shitcoin' is a better term for this. I would also address a rather big point that people keep glossing over - they keep saying, 'yes but the ETN team are still vocal and active' and that's because their ICO funds are locked for 12 months, I am half expecting the interest and speed of updates to fall off pretty fast when they work out they can escape by cashing in quickly. Also, many of the ETN supporters don't have the first clue how cryptocurrency works - if you airdrop it through 'mobile mining' this centralises it, and if tons of people are mobile mining but comparatively few are actually mining (you know, the thing that secures the network) then it's going to groan under the strain; it's one thing to have tons of users, but another to have tons of users doing nothing but overloading the network. P.S. I didn't say I bought the coin. I haven't bought any so I haven't had to use Cryptopia, I've mined it all P.P.S. to the guy who 'read the white paper' - it's total shit. It's just glossy marketing designed to fool idiots, it doesn't explore or explain any of the technical hurdles or challenges. First thing, this is one of the best posts about ETN I personally saw so far... I started to mine ETN sometimes around a month ago and I wasn't aware of the "community" around it simply because I don't consider myself as a "social" person :) I have no Facebook, no Twitter, no Telegram or whatever else exists nowadays, so I never checked this kind of stuff. The research I made was mostly around the team and code... Later on, I was searching around web for some answers regarding ETN and I realized how much "hype" there is around ETN. I went around to see what's the reason for this hype and unfortunately I found NONE. At one point, honestly, I was a bit afraid of this community because they seem like brainless sheep just repeating the "moon" phrase for no reason at all. To make it even worse, I came across few topics here on bitcointalk and got a bit disappointed with seeing how many "problems" lay around and (apparently) no one is solving them... Just in last couple of days, I keep hearing about "marketing" and yeah, now it sort of makes sense... I am reconsidering my mining activities as we speak ;) Marketing is not only ETN's problem. Marketing is a problem in general. Unfortunately, I've been that route too and in one moment of my life I was actually producing TV commercials, so I am very well aware that marketing is nothing but a pack of lies. However, I just cannot agree that just because some "team" or "company" invests everything in marketing and nothing in R&D is a "scamming company" or "scamming team". We humans deserve to be treated like this because we, and only we are allowing companies around the world to sell us shit, wrapped in pink and glittery paper. ETN might be exactly the same shit (actually excluding glittery paper) but whoever was stupid enough to buy this pack of lies (starting with myself) is to be blamed himself, not the ETN team. Unfortunately, at this point there are 2 options for people who are involved with ETN: - keep "trusting" the team and hoping for the best, - get out of ETN involvement completely and forget about it forever because it's just pack of lies (a.k.a. marketing) Which one you will choose is only up to you. You are the one who has to make conclusions and decide about this. People who don't know how cryptocurrencies work or don't know nothing about "anonymous mining on your mobile phone for which you are paying monthly subscription on your name with your credit/debit card" would be fooled with any other coin, not only ETN, I mean, just look at the Bitconnect :))))) In the end, I'd like to classify Electroneum as a "shit packed in pink glittery paper" rather than a "scam". At least for now :)) |
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NOW DO THIS ON WEB WALLET - I FUCKING DARE YOU
Sorry man, but I never did and never will use "web wallets". I simply don't trust them and there's hardly anyone who can convince me in opposite. This is actually something every person should be aware of, not with ETN only. What were you thinking of when you deposited money to a "web wallet"? Did you think about security and trust at all? Would you deposit USD on the "USD Web Wallet" if I create one and tell you that it is "safe"? Same applies for any currency, no matter if it is USD, EUR, ETN, BTC, XMR or whichever symbol you choose... Clearly, I have no idea how ETN "web wallet" works, but somehow I doubt that they implemented a "scamming" code into it :) Can you put this "transaction ID" in that "web wallet" at all? |
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I wish you good luck, when you need to move the coins earned in mining
So... My latest transaction: https://postimg.org/image/uny538urv/Transaction ID: ef45adf27c2bda1285d220889c753b0bf52fdfec096e8410f0996d259b5de243 Explorer link: https://blockexplorer.electroneum.com/search?value=ef45adf27c2bda1285d220889c753b0bf52fdfec096e8410f0996d259b5de243Cryptopia "Balances" tab: https://postimg.org/image/jbljlpefv/ (the amount is higher because of previous deposits) The exact command I used to transfer ETN from my desktop wallet to Cryptopia was: transfer etnjzKFU6ogESSKRZZbdqraPdcKVxEC17Cm1Xvbyy76PARQMmgrgceH4krAH6xmjKwJ3HtSAKuyFm1BBWYqtchtq9tBap8Qr4M 4008 44d48cee3ff1a31e24d93b4d643296bb30a52a68988fea2b49823dbcab73029f Zero problems. Not sure how long it took to confirm, was busy with some other things but it was pretty quick, taken in account that we talk about Cryptopia here  So... Who's "right" now in whole this story? Where's the "scam" here? I think you wanted to play the fool. You can continue to play around with blockchain internal transactions at will. That was never the point. Your money is stuck in there. The horror story begins when you will turn that into another currency. For this you will need an exchange and there is only one option. That's where the coup lives! "Internal transactions"?? Wait a second, I don't understand... You don't believe me that I transferred this to Cryptopia or what? |
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This thread explain all: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2321243.0A team of social media marketing trying to play with blockchain. A product that only has marketing that can turn into a very serious blow if it continues like this. If they want to get out of Viral Marketing direct to jail they are on the right track! This is also what i've been worrying about electroneum. We all knew that their project has a lot of potential. But marketing it with some sort of problems specially on social media channels is really a bad move. It's being marketed and targeted amateurs who had no idea about how cryptocurrencies works. Even my colleague who certainly had no idea with electroneum just jumped in with the hype. The virality of Electroneum in our country is widespread now. It's been overvalued by amateurs of cryptocurrency. Now that the trading volume of ETN is low, i'm afraid, there will be some people who will loss bigtime when a bad news hits Electroneum. To devs, please continue on developing on your product instead of marketting it big time. If only every person would care the same amount for every product in supermarkets.... This world would be way much better place ;) |
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I wish you good luck, when you need to move the coins earned in mining
So... My latest transaction: https://postimg.org/image/uny538urv/Transaction ID: ef45adf27c2bda1285d220889c753b0bf52fdfec096e8410f0996d259b5de243 Explorer link: https://blockexplorer.electroneum.com/search?value=ef45adf27c2bda1285d220889c753b0bf52fdfec096e8410f0996d259b5de243Cryptopia "Balances" tab: https://postimg.org/image/jbljlpefv/ (the amount is higher because of previous deposits) The exact command I used to transfer ETN from my desktop wallet to Cryptopia was: transfer etnjzKFU6ogESSKRZZbdqraPdcKVxEC17Cm1Xvbyy76PARQMmgrgceH4krAH6xmjKwJ3HtSAKuyFm1BBWYqtchtq9tBap8Qr4M 4008 44d48cee3ff1a31e24d93b4d643296bb30a52a68988fea2b49823dbcab73029f Zero problems. Not sure how long it took to confirm, was busy with some other things but it was pretty quick, taken in account that we talk about Cryptopia here :) So... Who's "right" now in whole this story? Where's the "scam" here? |
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You haven't answered anything he even asked - your argument is ad hominem...
Well, although I didn't come here to answer him at all, I actually managed to answer his last question: "Is this a problem with Cryptopia or #ETN?". And yes, one of the biggest problems they have is that despite having a large market cap (mostly because everyone is too busy high-fiving themselves about how amazing and 'revolutionary' this coin is) is that it only has one exchange - why have they not made getting listed on other exchanges? Maybe, I dunno, during that month when they shut everything down and locked the wallets?
Couldn't agree more... However, getting listed on exchange is not easy, nor cheap... Actually exactly the opposite, pretty hard and very pricey. Not being listed on more than 1 exchange doesn't mean that coin is a scam. Hope we can agree about that. There is no 'idea' behind ETN, it's just Monero with the promise of mobile mining - which in turn has interested people who probably shouldn't be playing with crypto in the early days because they clearly can't afford to and just think that it's an easy way to get rich.
Most of the stuff in this (real) world are a "copy" of something else. With a different package. And yet, you, like the rest of the world is buying it. I personally don't see that XYZ chocolate is a "scam" just because Milka had chocolate years before XYZ and there's nothing revolutionary about it even though they are marketing it as a "revolutionary" chocolate. People who thought (or still think) that Electroneum will make them rich "easy" and "quickly" are just stupid. There never was and never will be such a thing, at least not for majority of world's population. Still, however, this doesn't classify something as a "scam". Can we agree on this one too? Try addressing the valid issues people have with this rather than just attacking the individuals and maybe it'll have some credibility. Also, don't come to a thread called 'is Electroneum a SCAM' expecting everyone to be high-fiving each other and saying how amazing it is or are raising valid concerns not allowed now?
Again, I completely agree with regarding this. I didn't expect people high-fiving each other on this topic, I came with one reason only, to reply to the post I replied to because I have noticed the same post on a different topic and I couldn't resist to put my 2 cents here and try to explain some things which should be more than obvious. I apologise for that and I admit that I made a mistake by coming here completely. You are completely right when you say that people have "valid issues", but in my eyes, at least the topic title is misleading, because literally each and every "valid issue" has nothing to do with "scamming people". No one got scammed yet, as far as I know. People have lots of questions, lots of confusion, they are impatient, have problems with Cryptopia, but why labelling something as a "scam" then? My disclaimer - I don't think it's a scam and I do hold ETN, I also think it's incredibly mismanaged and over-hyped; but that doesn't mean I won't try and make money off it.
100% agree :) |
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"A team of social media marketing trying to play with blockchain." Ok, now THIS is something I could agree with 100%!!! But this is far away from the "scam". Definition of "scam" is way different than "group of people who are trying to do something which they know nothing about". The thing you said is not applicable to ETN only however... I've been working for IT companies which were led by marketing team for this or that reason. I strongly disagree with this kind of work, but then again, all these companies are still operational nowadays and have decent amount of money and development team. I am surprised that they managed to go that far this way, but they did. For whichever reason in this world... I personally don't care about their plans, mobile wallet, mobile miner, mobile paying or whatever they are "promising". If I would go that way, I would have 0% trust in all the projects since each and every one has something which just doesn't fit in my personal picture :) I am mostly just mining ETN because it is the easiest and most profitable with my current equipment. Before I started to mine it, I researched the team a little bit, checked out few links which I usually do before investing in any coin in any way and decided to give it a shot. I wasn't 100% confident in the project, neither I am still today, but unfortunately, that's the crypto world for you nowadays... Perfect platform for scamming and there's plenty of scammers who see the opportunity. If you fall on a scam, don't forget, it is your own fault! I did fall for one or two myself and I learned my lesson the harder way. This is not the reason to go around and bitch about it, especially since there's thousands of other people already doing it... And again, don't forget who's fault is that transfers are failing, Electroneum's or someone else's! |
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We might blame the team for "not trying to resolve Creeptopia problems", but I'm not sure if they are trying to solve this or not in the first place... Maybe they hit the wall of shady Creeptopia and struggling with them in the same way we do...
Is cryptopia not Creeptopia It's a joke if you still didn't get it, just like YoShit and SHiTBTC... Simply because they don't deserve to be called in any other way. Very shady and technically completely crappy exchanges. |
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From the links provided, I really cannot tell who did and who didn't use the "payment ID" which is REQUIRED by Creeptopia. It says there when you want to deposit. In red letters. If you have a Twitter account (I personally don't), try to ask those people if they used payment ID, and if they did't, why they didn't... I personally transferred few times with no problems whatsoever. I know bunch of people who are actually mining directly there, never had a single problem with transactions. We can go like this forever, you providing the links with people who failed and me providing words/experience from people who never had a problem... It won't solve anything, neither it will help ETN in any way. This is Creeptopia's problem, and their problem only. Just to be clear here... I am not "defending" ETN in any way. I am not saying that they are 100% legit, trustworthy and super-active team. I know nothing about those people except from the links they provided (LinkedIn profiles mostly, which btw, majority of projects/coins never did). I'm just trying to say that they are doing the same like majority of "projects" in this world - pumping the marketing, promising products which are delayed and similar... This is all perfectly normal, especially in cryptocurrencies world. Since I am developer myself, I perfectly understand what means to "deliver a working product" and how much hassle there is around one. That's one of the reasons I am not so much worried if they broke the deadline or two. This is more than normal in programming world, especially if you have a small dev team. I'd rather wait a bit longer and have a good program than rushing the deadlines and delivering something which is barely usable. I really hope that you and all the other ETN users will be able to solve the transferring issues, but unfortunately, I don't see how ETN team can help anyone in this matter. |
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Alright, I agree. The question here is which side "scammed" you exactly?
Did you have your own personal ETN in your own personal wallet? YES.
Were you able to use this wallet to send/receive ETN? YES.
Were you able to manipulate with this ETN in any way (e.g. transfer it to a different address)? YES.
Was the transaction successful? YES.
Did the blockchain verify the transaction and is everything OK on that side? YES.
Do you have keys or any other access to the other wallet where you transferred your funds? NO.
Do you see the amount transferred on the address you sent it to? NO.
In my mind, all the "YES" answers are directly related to Electroneum and it's network. All the "NO" answers are related to Cryptopia only and no one else. So, 1+1 is....?
If I were you, I'd go around and spread FUD about Creeptopia, SHiTBTC, YoShit and other similar shady exchanges, not the coin(s) itself...
If you are one of the team members of this "revolutionary coin" and you saw that a 100% perfect transaction did not reach users in the only exchange you have to offer to your users buy your revolucionary coin, what do you do? 1 - Ignore completely, after all we are sitting on almost 1 billion dollars and we have already stuck our goal. 2 - Do something urgent for these users to be reimbursed to avoid FUD on a serious project. Wait 1 month and know the answer I agree with you once again, and all the things you are saying are 100% reasonable... I have no answer for "why the team doesn't do anything about it"... Really don't know... Maybe they really can't do shit about it. The fact that they are not "reimbursing" is out of the discussion, because there's no one in this world who will do this for you. We might blame the team for "not trying to resolve Creeptopia problems", but I'm not sure if they are trying to solve this or not in the first place... Maybe they hit the wall of shady Creeptopia and struggling with them in the same way we do... |
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Alright, I agree. The question here is which side "scammed" you exactly? Did you have your own personal ETN in your own personal wallet? YES.Were you able to use this wallet to send/receive ETN? YES.Were you able to manipulate with this ETN in any way (e.g. transfer it to a different address)? YES.Was the transaction successful? YES.Did the blockchain verify the transaction and is everything OK on that side? YES.Do you have keys or any other access to the other wallet where you transferred your funds? NO.Do you see the amount transferred on the address you sent it to? NO.In my mind, all the "YES" answers are directly related to Electroneum and it's network. All the "NO" answers are related to Cryptopia only and no one else. So, 1+1 is....? If I were you, I'd go around and spread FUD about Creeptopia, SHiTBTC, YoShit and other similar shady exchanges, not the coin(s) itself... |
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This is not strictly Creeptopia's problem...
Now they are sitting on almost 1 billion and can not return to the users the coins that were lost in the limbo that they themselves fell.
A coin with almost 1 billion of Market Cap with only 1 exchange in the confines of new zealand and then the problem is only the Lord of the Rings?
This is unheard of in the market. Those who did not buy from ICO were forced to buy in this place. Who listed the coin there was the Gandalph or the London geniuses?
Why no other exchange was not interested in this project so revolutionary?
These are all good questions which I have no answers to and I can only assume things, just like you... First of all, there is no project/coin/team which will refund you because of some crappy exchange. Not a single one. So, don't expect this from ETN team either, no matter how "rich" they might be. I agree that it was the team's decision to list ETN on Shittopia only, but I don't see this as a "problem"... There are plenty of other teams who did this, I am part of a team with 2 projects/coins, and I am constantly bitching about listing on other exchanges, but sometimes it's not so simple (or cheap) as it seems... This doesn't mean that someone is trying to scam you or the project is not maintained or anything similar. Exchanges are not interested in any coin. They are interested only in FIAT currencies. Exchanges don't go around asking people if they can list their precious coin because it is so awesome. It is team's responsibility to list their coin on the exchange they like, and again, this is easier/harder to achieve from one exchange to the other... Hope I clarified some things for you now... At least you've noticed that there are many holes in this story. The rest, the sun and the time fulfill their function. There are many holes indeed, not only in "this" story, but literally with each and every coin around. Still, this doesn't mean that this project is a scam, right? |
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