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Thanks Miguel I believe you are doing a good job. Take care and Moon this mothrfking token lol Thx! much appreciated Sorry, if i annoyed you, it was necessary and yes, you are doing a good job. |
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Ok, i will need to do your job. What is written in Bold is what we would like to see and it is an example that i imagined that don't correspond to the realityA good phrase to start like "here, for more transparency, we show you our wallets"Main wallet: https://etherscan.io/address/0x5441880a07f4e00e78319b95fbbed1e356484bf5Second wallet: https://etherscan.io/address/0xf0ee0801c571aab5e346bf66d2764138af16b30cThird Wallet : https://etherscan.io/address/0x0bd2dfa14bfae2fa716a642f713643b8f1a6b0beWallet that contained ICO eth : https://etherscan.io/address/0x2fab4598bf2e09b0d2e48474984315fb36df61b8#internaltx2 February, Main wallet 26k Eth moved to bitfinex "here, we sold 26k eth"17 February, 15 344 Eth from bitfinex to second wallet "We made a little profit with 12k eth. Now we have 3344 more eth to invest, yeaah ! "27 February, 6000 eth moved from second wallet to third wallet and then, transfered to kraken "write what happened"12 March, Second wallet receive 6000 eth from kraken "write what happened"20 March, second wallet transfer 15000 eth to Main wallet and then to bitfinex 21 March, second wallet receive 8600 eth from Bitfinex and transfer 8900 eth to Main wallet. 22 March, Main wallet send 8900 eth to Bitfinex. Sorry if you are not happy but it was written in whitepaper that you used ETH for more transparency Whitepaper https://www.real.markets/static/wp/en/REAL_Whitepaper.pdf You should really change your response of "pfff read our token sale and conditions and you will see that your ETH are OURS now and we can do what we want with them ! " That's how we see your response. Hi ArtLp, I insist in my previous messages. Regarding the info you posted, It is clear that it proves that we bought ETH again right after as we mentioned in our last post. The reasons were various and related to banking and safety of funds. We have been managing our treasury as best as we could have done with the ICO capital protection as a priority. If anything, we have been publishing too much information and that has led to speculation and FUD amongs some users. As a result of our treasury management we have more funds than when we raised the ICO, have maintained everything for a year, have a working product, two invested properties + two more to come this year, and a great plan for 2019. Yes it could have been better but also much worse. We will continue with our activities and positive news! Miguel Thanks for your response, i only wanted a response like that ! |
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Ok, i will need to do your job. What is written in Bold is what we would like to see and it is an example that i imagined that don't correspond to the realityA good phrase to start like "here, for more transparency, we show you our wallets"Main wallet: https://etherscan.io/address/0x5441880a07f4e00e78319b95fbbed1e356484bf5Second wallet: https://etherscan.io/address/0xf0ee0801c571aab5e346bf66d2764138af16b30cThird Wallet : https://etherscan.io/address/0x0bd2dfa14bfae2fa716a642f713643b8f1a6b0beWallet that contained ICO eth : https://etherscan.io/address/0x2fab4598bf2e09b0d2e48474984315fb36df61b8#internaltx2 February, Main wallet 26k Eth moved to bitfinex "here, we sold 26k eth"17 February, 15 344 Eth from bitfinex to second wallet "We made a little profit with 12k eth. Now we have 3344 more eth to invest, yeaah ! "27 February, 6000 eth moved from second wallet to third wallet and then, transfered to kraken "write what happened"12 March, Second wallet receive 6000 eth from kraken "write what happened"20 March, second wallet transfer 15000 eth to Main wallet and then to bitfinex 21 March, second wallet receive 8600 eth from Bitfinex and transfer 8900 eth to Main wallet. 22 March, Main wallet send 8900 eth to Bitfinex. Sorry if you are not happy but it was written in whitepaper that you used ETH for more transparency Whitepaper https://www.real.markets/static/wp/en/REAL_Whitepaper.pdf You should really change your response of "pfff read our token sale and conditions and you will see that your ETH are OURS now and we can do what we want with them ! " That's how we see your response. |
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- 4 Oct 2017 Our Token Sale Results
We are very happy to have concluded a successful Token Sale. Thanks a lot for your contribution and support!!
We want to share with you our final numbers for your information:
1. TOTALS
Total amount in ETH: 37.049 ETH
Total amount in USD: $11.153.126 (ETH = 301,04 USD) - 24 Oct 2017 Crypto-Markets and REAL progress
For us, next 3 months are very important. We are going to be watching the ETH price carefully, and will wait for the best moment to change our funds for investments. We will continually adapt our strategy to make sure the final outcome is always of benefit to our Token holders.
- 21 Aug 2018 REAL Growth Project & Token Repurchase program
The reason is that our resources have gone down more than 60% due to the negative cryptocurrency fluctuations and we need to stick to our budget plan as published on our whitepaper. (As some of you know we sold most of our ETH in February but for various reasons -banking & security- we decided to hold our resources in crypto and have only been selling parts of it as we were needing them to do the last two investments). After going down that much in value we decided to sell all crypto last week to avoid going below our raised ICO funds.
Mmmmh ok In order to further align our interests with the token holders we are also happy to announce our Token Repurchase program where we will use 25% of our revenues (not profits, just revenue!) of every quarter derived from the PLATFORM fees to buy back REAL at market price and burn them until we buy 50% of all REAL (10MM) back. Why not use the profit in Eth to buy more REAL at this time to make it stay at 1$ for some months instead of buying others tokens ? You don't trust your token or what ? And we can check when and how much ETH you moved ... Its look like your Main account transfered in total 50k eth in Bitfinex mmmh interesting. If you want the link to check, you can pm. |
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I was really happy with REAL until the last medium post... I'm shocked to read that they reinvested the 21MM USD into crypto assets. Is there anybody that was aware of that before this medium post? I write every important information that was sent from the REAL team in a notebook and that's what I wrote: December 2017They sold the operation budget (30% of 37k ETH) for a total of 3MM USD. They said it was enough for several years if you look at their medium posts you'll not see that information anymore because they removed it. The information that was removed is still in this bitcointalk thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2064991.msg25597206#msg25597206February 2018They sold the remaining 70% of 37k ETH for a total of 21MM USD. if you look at their medium post from Feb 12 you'll not see that information anymore because they removed it. Is that the behavior of a trustful company? The information that was removed is still in this bitcointalk thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2064991.msg30723761#msg30723761If look at the modification date of that medium post, it's 2018-08-16T16:13:44.219Z, 5 days before the news about their loss... June 2018Launch of the platform August 2018They say that they don't have 21MM USD anymore. Today, I don't trust this company anymore. Please let me know if you saw in their medium posts before august that they reinvested the money into crypto assets. It wasn't written in the whitepaper that they will use the funds to invest into crypto assets ... real estate company or trading company ? ... |
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Please note that from January 2019 onwards we won’t be able to maintain the promotional exchange rate of USD 1 per REAL that we announced during the launch period and that, as mentioned in our whitepaper, we will need to start selling the crypto (REAL, BTC, ETH) we receive in order to fund the investments. In order to further align our interests with the token holders we are also happy to announce our Token Repurchase program where we will use 25% of our revenues (not profits, just revenue!) of every quarter derived from the PLATFORM fees to buy back REAL at market price and burn them until we buy 50% of all REAL (10MM) back. You will start selling REAL token and you will buy them back to burn them  WTH ? |
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And 3-4 months later, another update saying we can't finish the project because of regulation. Maybe i'm wrong or not.
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I don't agree. REAL will be backed by Real estate properties and contract when you usually make gains with cryptos that are copycats, Useless or without any product for years...so why can't it do a x20 when there is a solid investment behind your tokens with a steady income? Then, number of tokens is really low and of the platform is a success, a lot of them will be locked in the platform. In my opinion it can skyrocket.
Forget about tokens for a moment and let's just focus on the real estate. Do you think it's likely the real estate investments will generate a 20x return? Remember, the company itself is targeting 12% - 20% returns. Let's say they do better than expected and achieve 40% annualized returns over 5 years. That's still only around a 3x. You can't make a 20x holding the cryptos if the investment behind it only returns a 3x. I can agree with you mathematically...but it's Crypto...I can't see a direct value relationship between an underlying real value and the token value in a market where 98% of Crypto aren't backed by nothing. That's why REAL future value will be based not only on Real estate profits but also on hype, sentiment or just the words "payouts to token holders". Let's see what happens in February. Its been 4 months that panorama try to calculate the value of the token HAHA |
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The impression they made was , that they are making the ico to try out their platform with investor of real estste.
Now it looks like, they needed the investors to fund the development of their platform, which will be ready after development.
You cant run a telegram with this change of things. Its like night and day situation.
Just as said before, its misleading. Best thing you can do, if you didnt dumped this tolken is dumping it now, and preventing a loss for more then 90%, before the whole truth will come out.
Melissa is just the idiot paid for keeoing people busy and calm. I would not trust her, but also not the team.
Its like a script for how scam people, so far.
You are right about trying their platform before the ICO and if you look at the article, https://medium.com/@real_token/how-to-securely-contribute-to-our-real-token-sale-c0d0406912d8Below, i quoted the most important As you can see, they let someone said they have a working demo and they quoted it the 29th aug. If they have a working demo in august, why it should take 3 more month for the platform ? Can't they just make the platform online with no estate for now ? |
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So new roadmap is out, what do you think? Let's be honest, I was expeting those dates, a company can't set up legal and liquidity things in just a couple of month. I can surely wait, better if they take time to make things right
I'm very surprised how calm investors are. Everytime I come here I read posts just like yours (let's give them time, it's complicated, they're working hard etc.). As far as I remember, in mid September they claimed to launch beta in November. Now it's almost December and they say thay will launch it in February. Actually I'm almost sure, that they first said October, and November was to witness their's first property aquisition. They claim they're behind the schedule because of not meeting their ICO goals, but I just cannot imagine how people are willing to believe these excuses. To create a web site which is not that complicated it should take no more than 300 hours of work. They almost don't update. They left bitcointalk as soon as they realized that some people here can actually think sober and ask difficult questions. They claim they have to establish a company in Singapur, whereas 2 months ago they claimed they are already established there. For past month instead of giving updates and working on the platform, they posted about their travels to Singapur and Australia to attend some summits that have nothing to do with real estate. How can you still say they're doing their job just fine? Dont forget so much strange transaction on etherscan ... |
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Have you ever Heard about REALISTO.IO? They have a similar concept and a working Alpha Platform.
Sadly i Missed out on real but i am in at Realisto
... You know if you want to make some ad for a bounty. You can change your msg because it's look sooo much like a spam email ... |
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 Hopefully! At the current rates, that should be around 90 000 euro's worth of REAL... Maybe soon we can expect an update about the progress? i guess they are selling it on gatecoin. some free coins to cash out. I guess some people bought real with 75% discount the price the normal guy paid, so until now they were monetizing. otherwise, the price would never drop that low. Anyway, if you invested wise and still have money left, its the perfect time to get a bigger stake in project and lowering your entry price. the only risk is, that the delayed, less funded roadmap will show us the platform going live probably end of q1 if it's like you said, it can be GSR, a partner, who are selling real (and maybe buying real)? https://medium.com/@real_token/our-partners-bitcoinsuisse-gsr-gatecoin-63f56f5cf56e |
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Before discussing the price, shouldn't there be a platform to begin with? I just hope that the REAL-time is using the gathered funds to blow everybody away... while following the roadmap so hopefully before the end of this month there will be a testing of the platform.
Not really. The REAL price is based more on the underlying value of the assets that back the token. Right now this is about $8 million worth of ETH, so it's pretty easy to calculate what the token price should be. The platform might have a psychological impact in the short term, but long term it's kind of irrelevant. ... Seriously, everything you said it's irrelevant too. Trading is speculating, not calculating what's the average price is. Give some examples where you are right about the price after a project started. The price go low because they took a "break" for communicating with everyone and everything they are saying the last month (not for the budget), it was written on the whitepaper. We dont see the work they are doing and then, everyone doubt. |
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I tried to check out what is going on with REALs, but I'm to short wirth crypto to know for sure. If we check token holders, we can clearly see that there's a separate wallet (or however it is called) with 20% team tokens, and then there's something I don't understand. https://etherscan.io/token/0x9214ec02cb71cba0ada6896b8da260736a67ab10#balancesThe second one is 15%, however nor team, neither reserve was supposed to be 15%. The third is 9,0820%, BUT at first it was 14%. So putting those three together is 20+15+14 and 51(sale)=100% Bounty was 100000 REAL, and in fact there's a transaction of 100000. The question is what happened with some 900 000 tokens from the third wallet. For sure wallets from places 3-10 exchange tokens between themselves. What is it for? Sorry if it's a stupid question, I know almost nothing about crypto/blockchain  Instead of keeping the reserve in one place they mixed it in a way that doesnt make much sense to me. They said they needed to free some tokens not only for bounties but also for larger partners (I imagine exchanges, media, bitcoinsuisse, gsr, etc) (they also updated the WP when they said that) and Melissa said it was a total of 1M so it seems those are the tokens you look for. They will add the 9% to the 15% making 24% instead of 29% as total reserve. They are late with the roadmap but they distribute tokens in advance to there partners ? like GSR and i don't even know what they are doing right now ... They sell real or they buy real ? |
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I would want to have a decent ROI, since I bought into the ICO.
REAL should update their website and make their roadmap more interactive. Anyone can make an image that is stuck on the update of september. It needs to show progress.
Listing on other exchanges also would be handy, since not every trader is active on a lot of different exchanges.
Hello, You should ask the CEO for that, he have too much free time when you look on his twitter ... https://twitter.com/KikeDBSEveryday there is 20 000 or more real added at the sell volume at really low price on etherdelta ( it's been 10 days that the price stay at 0.4-0.5 cents). I know there was the bounty but it was 100 000 REAL I understand that we can sell at loss but now, it's more like selling to stuck the price. I saw on medium that they are partner with GSR and they provide liquidity on exchange ($ or REAL ?) https://medium.com/@real_token/our-partners-bitcoinsuisse-gsr-gatecoin-63f56f5cf56e |
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