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Plus he can launch 50+ VMs from a single 1gb of ram, he comes from the future, oh an he can also fake a blockchain's daemon, he should fake bitcoin's blockchain instead of wasting his time here, he could get billions there, he have for sure graphen circuits, quantum computers, and the ghost of einstein at home.
Huh? 50+ VMs from a single 1GB? who said this? you can run 100+ VMs with 1GB of fully reserved per VM on a standard 8 core PC with a lite distro, and you can even over provision if you don't have 128gb of ram. And you may use Docker which would be even less overhead. trolling? you are either fraudulent or didn't think this through. I am waiting for you to answer how you will solve the fundamental flaw in Xenio. Lets make this simple and ignore the game server part that i have already explained is not difficult to do. as the lead 'blockchain' dev stated they are rewarded for how many connections serve for their kind of service, so a gameserver is rewarded for how many active players have, a voice server for how many ppl are chatting (connected to that server, not actually talking) Explain, how you intend to prevent a voice server from being rewarded by having fake users connected? I say it again, Xenio can never work as you state or gain value unless you solve this issue and you have not given one valid answer. by not answering and stating 'i don't like your attitude so I'm not going to tell you' it just all adds up to being a scam. I do work for an investment group and that is why i originally brought up these questions, of course they will not be investing in Xenio and now I'm more here in my spare time to expose what you are doing to the public and others. and now refunding because it does not work. I doubt many people invested in this anyway. I bet the money was spent on ads. and the 10% that have not been refunded is actually the only people that invested. |
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ok..
so after all my previous messages explaining that what you were doing is not possible in a secure decentralized way, you are now changing your project and refunding everyone.
did it take you so long to understand what I was saying? that what you were attempting would not work?
instead you labeled me as a troll.
Make sure you all get refunded in full and be extremely weary of any other projects they attempt to do. Wouldn't surprise me if they come up with another project before you get refunded
how many failed projects is this now?
and I have now been given a negative trust rating. Ridiculous.
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This group has several people posting fake comments like the ones that followed right after i posted this warning to everyone. The developer is the same for each Xenio and NVO. Same group. Look at the team and look at this horrendous forum showing their character. Look at the people spamming my account saying i am not trustworthy. Both happened today after i posted. Just read the thread and research NVO and the 6 month scam that has been run. Decide for yourself.
Heya Whatevva you horrible little pissant. Care to explain your allegations made leaving false trade feedback on me you muppet? Please provide proof of your claims as your flawed and ever so retarded opinion is not fact. Maybe people are spamming your account because you are a lying little grub throwing around slanderous and libelous allegations, just a thought. not sure who whatevva is but he's been pointing out the what is actually happening here with Xenio. A group of almost anons, with no experience, already failed in 3 other projects and took peoples money. And Xenio is flawed with no solutions yet given to issues i pointed out 3 weeks ago. I was told the information will be released but it has not. |
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Plus he can launch 50+ VMs from a single 1gb of ram, he comes from the future, oh an he can also fake a blockchain's daemon, he should fake bitcoin's blockchain instead of wasting his time here, he could get billions there, he have for sure graphen circuits, quantum computers, and the ghost of einstein at home.
Huh? 50+ VMs from a single 1GB? who said this? you can run 100+ VMs with 1GB of fully reserved per VM on a standard 8 core PC with a lite distro, and you can even over provision if you don't have 128gb of ram. And you may use Docker which would be even less overhead. trolling? you are either fraudulent or didn't think this through. I am waiting for you to answer how you will solve the fundamental flaw in Xenio. Lets make this simple and ignore the game server part that i have already explained is not difficult to do. as the lead 'blockchain' dev stated they are rewarded for how many connections serve for their kind of service, so a gameserver is rewarded for how many active players have, a voice server for how many ppl are chatting (connected to that server, not actually talking) Explain, how you intend to prevent a voice server from being rewarded by having fake users connected? I say it again, Xenio can never work as you state or gain value unless you solve this issue and you have not given one valid answer. by not answering and stating 'i don't like your attitude so I'm not going to tell you' it just all adds up to being a scam. I do work for an investment group and that is why i originally brought up these questions, of course they will not be investing in Xenio and now I'm more here in my spare time to expose what you are doing to the public and others. |
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that is it, a Lead Dev who cannot answer fundamental questions? they are rewarded for how many connections serve for their kind of service, so a gameserver is rewarded for how many active players have, a voice server for how many ppl are chatting (connected to that server, not actually talking) ignoring game servers, how do you stop fake users joining a fake voice server in order to stake more coins? and how to stop them scaling this up? |
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you should understand that you where very hostile before... and you make me wonder why, you talk very well now but because of your bad start i will not provide details, its wrong anyway to provide details only here because few ppl will get informed, wait for the announcements on the site.
Thanks.
that is pretty much the worst excuse ever for not knowing how to solve the serious flaws in Xenio 'Hey guys, we'll take all your money first then tell you how we are going to fix something that cannot be fixed' |
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you can profit yourself also if you believe that you can create a fake server and hook millions of clients from nowhere on it.... so again? why do you bother?
you must realize however here that the main problem is not the fake server.... but the fake user.... you are not getting paid for just being a server... you are getting paid for the users you have, if you just have 100 fake servers it means that you need to invest 100*"coins required" to be a server (thats actually positive for the community)
but the users? there are ways to figure out duplicate users from the same machine.... looking cpu ids, mac addresses, ip's, ingame captchas, some have advantages and dis-advantages and limitations, for example a vm have the same cpu id everywhere.... or the ip is the same for an internet cafe.... so some of those counters cannot be used.
there are ways to inspect packets there are ways to prove connectivity there is AI that can help here, yes we have someone with a degree in AI in my team and we need more of those people and those people are really expensive thus we need funds,
what are you asking in general? you ask from us to give you the pattern of our on going work? do you want me to give you my hand writings and notes BEFORE we even release? are you a competitor or something with millions of funds? do you really believe that i will do something like that? what if we say something now and we change it later? are you gonna flame us for that?
Hi and thank you for your reply. Yes, i explained how this is possible with regards to faking users. This is not as hard as you think, not like cracking blockchain tech. The project cannot be based on the assumption that people will not try to break the system. If Xenio the coin ever becomes valuable then it will be exploited with fake servers and fake users for staking coins. faking this information like cpuid, mac address is all simple stuff. You can use millions of proxies or pay for VPNs with regards to IPs, but would you actually restrict the same IPs anyway? What I am saying is that you are asking for money for a project of which the fundamentals are flawed or have not been thought out. Who is going to use Xenio when they can connect to premium servers for free? where is the business model for this project? and what games? who will chose the games for Xenio? some games will be simple and easy to fake clients and may have more users in general? any answers to these sirnicolas21 |
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you can profit yourself also if you believe that you can create a fake server and hook millions of clients from nowhere on it.... so again? why do you bother?
you must realize however here that the main problem is not the fake server.... but the fake user.... you are not getting paid for just being a server... you are getting paid for the users you have, if you just have 100 fake servers it means that you need to invest 100*"coins required" to be a server (thats actually positive for the community)
but the users? there are ways to figure out duplicate users from the same machine.... looking cpu ids, mac addresses, ip's, ingame captchas, some have advantages and dis-advantages and limitations, for example a vm have the same cpu id everywhere.... or the ip is the same for an internet cafe.... so some of those counters cannot be used.
there are ways to inspect packets there are ways to prove connectivity there is AI that can help here, yes we have someone with a degree in AI in my team and we need more of those people and those people are really expensive thus we need funds,
what are you asking in general? you ask from us to give you the pattern of our on going work? do you want me to give you my hand writings and notes BEFORE we even release? are you a competitor or something with millions of funds? do you really believe that i will do something like that? what if we say something now and we change it later? are you gonna flame us for that?
Hi and thank you for your reply. Yes, i explained how this is possible with regards to faking users. This is not as hard as you think, not like cracking blockchain tech. The project cannot be based on the assumption that people will not try to break the system. If Xenio the coin ever becomes valuable then it will be exploited with fake servers and fake users for staking coins. faking this information like cpuid, mac address is all simple stuff. You can use millions of proxies or pay for VPNs with regards to IPs, but would you actually restrict the same IPs anyway? What I am saying is that you are asking for money for a project of which the fundamentals are flawed or have not been thought out. Who is going to use Xenio when they can connect to premium servers for free? where is the business model for this project? and what games? who will chose the games for Xenio? some games will be simple and easy to fake clients and may have more users in general? |
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so many fake account bumpers here that are trying to bury the flawed system
Xenio is completely broken. Check my questions above.
in essence all Xenio does it reward servers for hosting games, and only open source games at that. there are not even any games?
it is not a viable business model even if it could work technically
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way to behave for the leader of the project?
so it looks like you cannot answer the questions and have turned to talking like a child.
I'll wait for the answer to :
How to prevent Fake Servers with Fake gamers from staking coins?
It is flawed and you are taking peoples money, again.
You do realise that, compared to you Dave, nemgun considers himself a GOD. This is why he talks down at all of you from his heavenly position. I can actually quote this from another thread.(Really!) Please stop asking technical questions about why Xenio is flawed. The amount raised is stuck at 3 mil. So shut up and give him your money! That is what this is about. 220 Million Dollars. Really? I wish I could fly around the internet and face-palm each and every contributor thus far. Not that it would stop this ICO maddness. Do your own research people. is the 3 million from the exchange they crowd-saled and they put it in themselves to make it look like they raised that much so far? disregarding the massive flaw with PoN, let's assume it is not flawed what is the advantage of Xenio? who is going to use it? why not just connect to a legit AAA game server the normal way instead of being limited to an open source game with no players??? What are the problems trying to be solved here? |
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way to behave for the leader of the project?
so it looks like you cannot answer the questions and have turned to talking like a child.
I'll wait for the answer to :
How to prevent Fake Servers with Fake gamers from staking coins?
It is flawed and you are taking peoples money, again.
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Yes the servers will be partially random because of the ping, it is like i try to connect from algeria to a us based server, my ping would be too high and it would ruin the games. So it have to include some randomness. but, it is possible to create your own server and bring your own players, however, you won't be able to get incentives except from the first pos as all the nodes get rewards for it. This is why I asked. If it is random you need to make sure the latency is good enough. The question is: how will servers be randomly selected? how in a decentralized way can it work? Who records the latency of each individual server against each user? how would you prevent a gamer or server artificially increasing latency or completely blocking IPs in order to get your fake players on your own server? and how do you tell the different between legit and not? Is this also only for single player gamers too? ie not co-op In the next updates, we think about some kind of ban in the blockchain during the next months, for the leavers and reported gamers based on a trust/untrust system. Regarding the servers, there will be a vote by the nodes about the election of servers, which ones can seal blocks from where he can have a list of black listed servers/players.
how to deal with sibyl? for the game to test, i am still unsure, we will try to add as much as possible, personally, i want to test Dota, CSGO, starcraft, and COD. I don't say that it will be done officially as they don't allow private servers, maybe a pseudoname would do it, like xenioNakamoto, someone annonymous. is this not a bit illegal? I have a passion for people who threaten me, i like to humiliate them with my intelligence. I have not threatened you at all. I merely pointed out that PoN is seriously flawed. To exploit it you do not need to break blockchain technology. I've not been humiliated by your intelligence yet? anyway I will await your answers so that we can finally put this to rest. And I hope you can prove me wrong. |
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Nemgun, you are not understanding the issue. Faking players is not hard, especially not for opensource games. I understand your project from what is publicly available. Match Making : are you saying that a player who tries to join a game will be placed on a random server? please answer this yes or no. continue the discussion or this is a serious RED FLAG. So far you have not explained how Xenio is secure in regards to staking coins based on servers and players. Xenio could be faked, maybe in 10 years, when blockchains will be broken, if you want to keep on persuading yourself that you are right, so be it, but don't try to convince me especially as i am the founder.
This is what you are NOT understanding or are avoiding. Xenio staking is flawed because it is based on a process which can be easily exploited. Fake Players on Fake Servers. Which games on test server can we test? |
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the damons will have to be included in the games I assume you mean that the daemon needs a game. For example, a virtual machine would need to have a node with it as well? this is no problem if this is what you mean or are you saying a game needs to have a Xenio daemon integrated into the actual game? i actually have excellent computers at home and i can't run more then 2-3 games at the same time, depending on each one's specifications, i also told you about the upcoming update as it is related to this topic. you do not need to run the game. To emulate client network is not difficult for someone who is determined. Emulating game client network is no where near as difficult as cracking blockchain encryption yet you are touting it as such. The fundamentals are flawed. If Xenio gains any value it will be exploited by people creating fake servers and gamers, why would they not? Is there a list of compatible games? Dota2? League of Legends? Minecraft? CoD? Pubg? As of now, we are moving slowly, even if on your side you are not so open to understand how it works, as you seem to be so determined to proof your idea, i invite you to fake the testnet. How will Xenio work, you launch the Xenio client, you launch the game, the game will be connected to the client's daemon as it is useless to launch several instances of it. Now to fake it, do you know that when you are playing a game, you send a lot of informations to the servers, so in the end, in order to fake the gamer, you need to launch the game, have you checked your bandwidth when you play games like dota ? do you know what kind of informations you are sending with these packets ? What i say is, if you want to fake, you can, with the condition of having 50 computers at home, and it won't be reliable if you do so, we will also add gamers tracking with smart contracts and match making engine. Regarding the games, we are actually looking for open sourced games, with the next update we will release examples with a game, if i find the source code of dota, i would do it with pleasure, but it will be probably a plugin for minecraft. EXACTLY. If you are only using Opensource Games then all the Code is available to emulate fake connections. You do not understand that you do not need 50 computers at home. This can all be faked by software, or in the easiest sense VMs, Docker. which games on testnet will you provide? if it is not financially worth testing why would anyone try to break it? If Xenio gains any value, they will break it then as it will require some work. you give an example of minecraft and this is one of the games most easiest to simulate network traffic, quick search here although i have not fully read the paper https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282778493_Game_network_traffic_simulation_by_a_custom_botopensource games will be a piece of cake to emulate the network traffic for you cannot provide a secure system for staking coins as you can never tell what is a fake player and what is real in a decentralized way. Especially games that are open source. It's also a bit misleading that your whitepaper shows DOTA2 in a screenshot |
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the damons will have to be included in the games I assume you mean that the daemon needs a game. For example, a virtual machine would need to have a node with it as well? this is no problem if this is what you mean or are you saying a game needs to have a Xenio daemon integrated into the actual game? i actually have excellent computers at home and i can't run more then 2-3 games at the same time, depending on each one's specifications, i also told you about the upcoming update as it is related to this topic. you do not need to run the game. To emulate client network is not difficult for someone who is determined. Emulating game client network is no where near as difficult as cracking blockchain encryption yet you are touting it as such. The fundamentals are flawed. If Xenio gains any value it will be exploited by people creating fake servers and gamers, why would they not? Is there a list of compatible games? Dota2? League of Legends? Minecraft? CoD? Pubg? |
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Thank You for this. The diagram on telegram was a 1 second diagram for you to fill in the missing parts. You can still specify "blockchain" as an entity even if each node has a copy of it and it not be seen as "centralized".
This does not still explain how to stop the creation of fake players on my server. Or running 10 game servers on my 1 server with the same 200 fake players on each of the 10 game servers.
You may also run 500+ Virtual Machines on 1 host without requiring a super computer. Internal I/O would not be an issue.
and as i stated, you may even use applications like docker, or if you are an experience developer you could write everything in software on a single machine, run multiple nodes, different ports, different proxies
This is what people will do to break PoN.
You cannot safely and securely confirm in a decentralized way if a server has or has not fake players in which case this will be exploited to gain Xenio coins.
what is the incentive for gamers again?
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Hello Nemgun,
I don't seem to be able to post pictures in here. maybe this is due to being a new account.
in any case the diagram in telegram was a base for you to fill in, not a "how it works", An overview from your perspective would be great. I'm sure it can take just 5 minutes of your time to show how everything connects.
What I need to know is how you can prevent fake servers with fake players from exploiting PoN to produce coins.
From what I can tell and from the information publicly availably, you cannot.
as an example, you can spawn 100+ Virtual Machines which emulate the networking required so there is no need for GPUs and have a xenio client and you will never know.
You could also use Docker.
I am looking forward to your response.
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Hello.
I attempted to start a topology diagram but I failed to understand how it works,
Could someone post a diagram of who and what connects where?
What is preventing a bad party creating a fake server with fake players?
For example what is stopping me from creating 100 fake players on my server in order to mint coins for my server?
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