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1  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: May 23, 2014, 06:48:34 PM
Who can help Larry sort out his books and make sure he pays what he owes?
The taxman

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=787789
2  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [GB]Terraminer IV #5, Coinsortium on: May 23, 2014, 06:30:39 PM
Soniq = Larry A. Strawson (Canada, Edmonton)

larrystrawson@gmail.com

https://www.facebook.com/lstrawson
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/larry-strawson/7/332/55
http://activerain.trulia.com/profile/48_hours
3  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [OPEN][Are We Being Scammed by soniq] Whats going on with soniq's Group Buys??? on: May 23, 2014, 06:28:14 PM
Soniq = Larry A. Strawson (Canada, Edmonton)

larrystrawson@gmail.com

https://www.facebook.com/lstrawson
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/larry-strawson/7/332/55
http://activerain.trulia.com/profile/48_hours
4  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: May 23, 2014, 06:26:47 PM

Soniq = Larry A. Strawson (Canada, Edmonton)

larrystrawson@gmail.com

https://www.facebook.com/lstrawson
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/larry-strawson/7/332/55
http://activerain.trulia.com/profile/48_hours
5  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [GB]Terraminer IV #6 , 0.4 BTC=67GH/s 28/30 shares on: February 27, 2014, 07:44:08 PM
we need to figure something out with soniq Huh maybe we can set up a Skype and talk about it Huh Im pretty sure soniq is a busy man just like the rest of us BUT we can all make some TIME to talk and see if we can figure something out Huh what do you think Huh

Good luck, check out how he manages the other group buy:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226319.0
6  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: February 27, 2014, 06:56:20 PM
Hi aggiby,

It has been verified and concluded that

"the spreadsheet is now up to date and shows 128.752061356 to be paid out"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226319.msg5268456#msg5268456


Please let us know when the amount (and the additional mining income post this date) will be paid out to shareholders.

Soniq, I have to warn you that these funds do NOT belong to you and you have no rights to keep these in your possession.





7  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: February 20, 2014, 08:06:56 AM
[...] an unknown amount of BTC for dividend???


The number is known and it is in my verification of soniq's sheet.
Anyone can verify this and I advise that we confirm this
8  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: February 19, 2014, 07:44:07 PM

Hi Soniq and group members,

Here come part two of the report on my analysis of Soniq’s balance sheet and dividend payouts.
This verification and the report posed here is for Soniq’s balance sheet and transactions on the transactions up to Jan 31.

Here is the file posted by soniq which I have verified: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtH6ASvoAExHdF9IcFh3QmQ2dEt4Zk5qT3lRUDFDTVE&usp=drive_web&pli=1#gid=24 


This is the excel file I have produced with verification calculations and results: http://1drv.ms/1d0t1j2


(1) I have looked at “Dividend Payment Balance Sheet” in soniq’s file

(Line 6)   Total Mining income  Received: 1332,890284
(Line 14) Total Expenses: 211,2304057

Total BTC to be paid out 1121,65987854


(2) I have looked at “Ledger Jan 31_14” sheet in soniq’s file (and have copied original sheet into my file so I can color it)

Positive values (column D) consist of
•   Mined coins that have been paid out
•   Other stuff that has been paid out (refunded hosting payments, share price adjustments, private loans, 2% management fee)

(Negative values are the bitcoin transactions to users)


Let us take an example to clarify and we exemplify with a random user:




The user he has been paid out:

0,66000000    Refunded hosting payment (line 368)
0,28645000    GB1 prorated share price adjustment (line 369)
4,28738914 Mined coins (lines 370-275 marked in green)


I have applied a filter to sum all mined coins that have been paid out (green lines).

The sum of the mined coins that have been paid out to all users is 1044,68000011 BTC.

However, total BTC to be paid out is 1121,65987854 BTC

1121,65987854 - 1044,68000011 = 76,97987843

To conclude, up to Jan 31, there is still 76,97987843 BTC mining income received that Soniq has missed to pay out.



9  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: February 19, 2014, 06:04:49 PM
I had an unexpected family emergency and took some time away to clear my thoughts, sorry about not posting sooner.

Have been trying to get a clarified answer from Espen on prorated balances and he has finally responded, now have to coordinate with agibby to add to currently balanced books.

Will be making a dividend payment as soon as the prorated balances are accounted for. This is the achilles heel using third party programmers, is trying to  get  timely responses.

Will try to get this done as soon as possible

Soniq, you have promised answer and feedback to my analysis and correction required. I trust we will receive this ASAP.
10  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [GB]Terraminer IV #6 , 0.4 BTC=67GH/s 28/30 shares on: February 17, 2014, 06:27:46 PM
Has anyone heard from soniq Huh Th first batch should had been deliver long ago Huh

He is still around and online on the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=64968

As from my own experience from other Gb managed by soniq, he is normally very active before he collects the money?
Did you pay him already?
11  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: February 12, 2014, 04:02:05 PM
Thanks for your reply, agibby.

It's quite said if soniq is attempting to censure the communication -the operation was supposed to be totally transparent, so we should really wonder if something is to be hidden from group members.

As a second note, we see soniq going online on this forum!!!
Surly, a one-line-update to group buy members here can't be that difficult.
12  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: February 12, 2014, 01:55:49 PM
Hi agibby,

I have posted these findings on Feb 02.
Can you please verify these and provide feedback (as you have been working with soniq to clarify the books and findings)

You hove have an agreement with soniq that you should not provide further feedback or checks on the balance sheet and payments, please let us know. At leas we should know if we can expect or not feedback from you.

It is really disappointing that all went very silent again with no further feedback, payments or information being provided to share holders.


Hi agibby,

I have reviewed Soniq’s balance sheet and mining income.
I will finalize the review, but let me share preliminary findings.

Firstly let me note that this verification is on the transactions up to Jan 31.

Excel file with verification calculation and results: http://sdrv.ms/1bkoevq

I.   Verification of total income amount and expenses

The conclusion is that my verification shows exactly the same total income amount as published by Soniq in the balance sheet.
This is, total income 1332,89 BTC.


Also the total expenses calculated by me comes to the same amount as in Soniq’s balance sheet.
This is total expenses -211,23 BTC.


Which gives total accumulated for dividend payout is 1121,66 BTC.


II.   Comparison of total income amount to “expected” mining income

I have also compared the mining income in the balance sheet with expected mining income".
I have considers the starting mining dates as declared by Soniq, i.e.
•   Oct 11 when GB1 miners (15 miners) have reached advertised hashing  rate
•   Oct 15 when GB2 miners (11 miners) have reached advertised hashing  rate
(Note: In fact some GB1 miners have started before Oct 11, but the income before Oct 11 can be considered minor)

Calculation of "expected mining income" has been done based on
* mining period (i.e from Oct 11 (GB1) and Oct 15 (GB2) until Jan 31)
* Jupiter hashing power
* bitcoin network difficulty and
* mining calculator for applicable bitcoin difficulty.

The conclusion is that the total mining income in Soniq’s balance sheet is in line with calculated expected income.
I have considered Jupiter hashing power = 550GH/s and applied an efficiency factor of 97.5%.
Under this conditions, the total income in Soniq’s balance sheet differs with less than 1% from the “expected income”


III.   Corrections needed

As shown in detailed mining breakdown on period intervals GB2 members have been paid for part of mining income attributed to GB1 miners.

As it can be seen on lines 24 and 25, mining income was not received in full to soniq’s wallet from the mining pools (note the difference between received amount and expected amount).
Part of bitcoin mined under period Oct 11 – Oct 15 was transferred to soniq’s wallet after only Oct 16 (on line 26 note the positive difference between received vs expected).
 
As shown in the table, amount of coins mined by GB1 15 miners (before GB2 and GB3 11 miners arrived) was 85.48 coins.
Soniq has issued a payment of 50 BTC for GB1, when in fact it should have been 85.48 BTC.
 
Incorrect amount paid to GB2: (85.48-50)/78000*33000 = 15 BTC.
In conclusion a correction is required to be done at next dividend pay-out: deduct 15 BTC from dividends for GB2 users and pay this out to GB1 users

I would like to ask you to verify the information I have posted here and confirm.
Please doublecheck with Soniq’s, and once confirmed please apply the required correction.

Please verify and provide your and Soniq's feedback on above calculation and verification asap, before the next payout so that required correction can be applied. Other GB members are welcome to comment and provide feedback.


13  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: February 09, 2014, 10:07:25 AM
Thank you for your analysis dutu

Me and Agibby are looking into this and Bens question.

 Espen the original programmer will be back from a business trip on Wednesday, and will help us to clarify all the transactions to date.

Will have a clarified response before next dividend payment.

Thank you for your patience

Hi Soniq and agibby,

Please provide feedback on the verification i have provided.
It took me a couple of hours to produce the excel file, surly checking it and validating can't take more than that.
14  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: February 02, 2014, 05:57:49 PM
Hi agibby,

I have reviewed Soniq’s balance sheet and mining income.
I will finalize the review, but let me share preliminary findings.

Firstly let me note that this verification is on the transactions up to Jan 31.

Excel file with verification calculation and results: http://sdrv.ms/1bkoevq

I.   Verification of total income amount and expenses

The conclusion is that my verification shows exactly the same total income amount as published by Soniq in the balance sheet.
This is, total income 1332,89 BTC.


Also the total expenses calculated by me comes to the same amount as in Soniq’s balance sheet.
This is total expenses -211,23 BTC.


Which gives total accumulated for dividend payout is 1121,66 BTC.


II.   Comparison of total income amount to “expected” mining income

I have also compared the mining income in the balance sheet with expected mining income".
I have considers the starting mining dates as declared by Soniq, i.e.
•   Oct 11 when GB1 miners (15 miners) have reached advertised hashing  rate
•   Oct 15 when GB2 miners (11 miners) have reached advertised hashing  rate
(Note: In fact some GB1 miners have started before Oct 11, but the income before Oct 11 can be considered minor)

Calculation of "expected mining income" has been done based on
* mining period (i.e from Oct 11 (GB1) and Oct 15 (GB2) until Jan 31)
* Jupiter hashing power
* bitcoin network difficulty and
* mining calculator for applicable bitcoin difficulty.

The conclusion is that the total mining income in Soniq’s balance sheet is in line with calculated expected income.
I have considered Jupiter hashing power = 550GH/s and applied an efficiency factor of 97.5%.
Under this conditions, the total income in Soniq’s balance sheet differs with less than 1% from the “expected income”


III.   Corrections needed

As shown in detailed mining breakdown on period intervals GB2 members have been paid for part of mining income attributed to GB1 miners.

As it can be seen on lines 24 and 25, mining income was not received in full to soniq’s wallet from the mining pools (note the difference between received amount and expected amount).
Part of bitcoin mined under period Oct 11 – Oct 15 was transferred to soniq’s wallet after only Oct 16 (on line 26 note the positive difference between received vs expected).
 
As shown in the table, amount of coins mined by GB1 15 miners (before GB2 and GB3 11 miners arrived) was 85.48 coins.
Soniq has issued a payment of 50 BTC for GB1, when in fact it should have been 85.48 BTC.
 
Incorrect amount paid to GB2: (85.48-50)/78000*33000 = 15 BTC.
In conclusion a correction is required to be done at next dividend pay-out: deduct 15 BTC from dividends for GB2 users and pay this out to GB1 users

I would like to ask you to verify the information I have posted here and confirm.
Please doublecheck with Soniq’s, and once confirmed please apply the required correction.

Please verify and provide your and Soniq's feedback on above calculation and verification asap, before the next payout so that required correction can be applied. Other GB members are welcome to comment and provide feedback.

15  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: February 01, 2014, 07:06:16 PM
Hi agibby,

Since you helped to check the books, can you confirm that "mining income" indicated in the balance sheet is the income of the actual mining and does not include other incoming transactions?

Quote
Mining Income         
                 1EN3EqqQfqq484WNATFAMA13VXpJuJNv5c    806,0403326   Eligius Mining Address
                 1MyLJvnuHxkXUp8CMPNwp1oKFz5fDsF14u    526,8499516   Bitminter Mining Address
as of 1/31  Total Mining income  Received                    1332,890284      

Thanks
16  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: January 31, 2014, 04:46:31 PM


What I was surprised about is that the price paid out per share is different almost to each user 
This statement is in contradiction with previous note that "most members are being paid appropriately".


Not if you understand that each person has a different situation depending on the adjustments they received.  You can be paid appropriately depending on adjustments but that per share amount would be different than someone who had no adjustments.

"price paid out per share" should have nothing to do with each member's "adjustments" due to loans, penalties, etc.
Dividend per share and "price paid out per share" is equal for each member of this GB. We need to be shown calculation on what dividend per share is and a separate calculation on how adjustment for each user is done.

It's just this simple.
17  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: January 31, 2014, 04:20:14 PM
Hi agibby5,

Thank you for the feedback and for assisting this GB. I don't know if Soniq is paying you for clarifying the books (it is his duty to keep accurate and clear books) or you are just helping out, but thank you anyway.


I'm pretty confident that most members are being paid appropriately.  The ones that have contacted us to look at it have been accurate for their situation.
We expect that all (not "most") members are paid appropriately. We have requested soniq to fix the calculations and publish the result so it can be verified.
As for now, there is still information missing and it's quite impossible for us to verify. Requested information has not been given.


What I was surprised about is that the price paid out per share is different almost to each user  
This statement is in contradiction with previous note that "most members are being paid appropriately".


Someone would have to go into each user and calculate the payouts per share and determine the reason for the variance.  
Has soniq indicate who "someone" will be and by when this will be done?

I have proposed that this operation is "outsources"; Tyrion70 has agreed he can do it, but soniq refused.
What is the plan?

I am sorry to say, it is a shame that the miners are almost reaching end of life and soniq is still trying to figure out a good way to calculate and pay dividends. 7 months have passed since this GB has been initiated.

Nevertheless, there is still time to get things fixed. But the willingness and commitment must be there.

Thank you
18  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool on: January 31, 2014, 11:45:00 AM
Hi Soniq,

It is very unfortunate that your long reply has in fact not provided any additional data or any additional clarity on the books.

We got your message about the Norwegian police forensic expert, 2 software engineers and 100+ GB members verifying your transactions, but these statements are less convincing until clear and accurate data is available and posted here.

Such statements, not backed up by transparency and clear and accurate data, are raising doubts that something is hiding.


I have asked one simple question that will allow me to continue with verifying the books: "amount of bitcoin mined at Gigapool"
You have failed to provide an answer.

It is really unfortunate that, beside noticing lack of interest in managing this GB properly, we have to start questioning your honesty.

Quote
So this is the information that is public

- number of Jupiters with trans ids
- amount per share and a debited or credited amount to each member
- a balanced spreadsheet showing all mining income and expenses
- ledger showing all dividend payments to all members
- Jupiters mining addresses with stats

In the very same post, when answering the question about how many coins have been mined at Gigapool, you write:

Quote
As far as you question about gigapool, at the beginning of the GB, Oct 14 only 5 days after receiving the Jupiters almost every GB member was watching very intently as there had not even been a dividend payment made yet. There was concerns about getting best hashing rate for the Jupiters and some members suggested trying different pools.  I tested Gigapool, and  posted to the forum I was doing so, So all the members could account for the 26 mining Jupiters.  I am looking for the transactions now.

Now, please let us know have the transaction been published and indicated in the balance sheet or you are still looking for these transactions now?
Please post them when you find them.

I have more questions, but let's take it step by step. Wit too many questions at once we may fail to clarify any.



BTW, regarding your statement
Quote
The spreadsheets and ledgers for this GB  have been verified by a forensic scientist with the Norwegian police and two software engineers.
can you confirm if these people have verified the data you have shared with the GB members or perhaps there is some additional unpublished data they have verified.
Please also confirm their forums name or identities so we can verify with them, and please publish their reports and findings. I'm sure this with give you and us peace of mind.
19  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [GB]Terraminer IV #6 , 0.4 BTC=67GH/s 18/30 shares on: January 31, 2014, 08:41:47 AM
Guys,

You may want to watch this topic:

[Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool

(current GB managed by Soniq - GB members are really frustrated on how things are managed for now (GB started in June 2013)



and this topic

[OPEN][Are We Being Scammed by soniq] Whats going on with soniq's Group Buys???

Do your own due diligence when you invest
20  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [OPEN][Are We Being Scammed by soniq] Whats going on with soniq's Group Buys??? on: January 31, 2014, 08:27:25 AM
Well, anyone interested to see how Soniq manages a GroupBuy can ready this topic:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226319

For now (GB started in June 2013), there are more and more GB members furious for the bad management, lack of transparency and communication. Some of the members are starting suspecting soniq of being dishonest. Read and you can decide by yourself

There is still room for getting the GB back on track, but this would require soniq's total change of management stile and dedication.

Let's see.

just an update  Cheesy
Soniq has been communicating with the share holders and it look like he is on top of the BTC game. Just to remind people this thread was not created to accuse anyone of being a Scammer, no one is accusing Soniq, we are just asking questions? If you read the thread, ALL of my Point are asked in a question? I am not accusation Soniq. Smiley

Thanks Soniq
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