OPTITOKEN. It trades a full portfolio with members funds using a bot and a group of experts. Once they make money they buy back their own tokens of the exchanges using a percentage. And then they burn those tokens! It's the best way for someone who doesn't have a ton of time to study the market but believes in the future of crypto. The buy back for this year is due sometime this summer and with only 1.5 months left. The last time they did a buy back in the middle of the bear market , it went from .01 to .5 It is now .02. It's also good for long term holding as they burn so many coins and increases limited supply.

Libra is a crap coin. The American gov will not let it pass. The only good thing is it bought lots of people here to get educated.

The only way to make money in this market, good money, is buy when low and sell when high. Alts will rise again. The global charts show they have their own cycles with their dance with bitcoin. It's just a matter of time. If you can not see that then stand aside and go with something that is safe and has moderate returns. And do your research. Everyone can be an expert with hindsight but the rich will make the moves.

Looking at 2017, the alts really shined in last pump. As btc was going sideways. But now we have tether and people do not need to move to alts so much on exchanges that don't have fiat. But we are already seeing some big winners. Some doing a lot better than btc..

Optitoken as i said before is worth looking at. Optitoken uses its market capital to buy and sell cryptos using trading bot they have developed. when profit is made 80% goes back into buying and 20% goes to the market and buys back its own tokens and burns them. They haven't done a buy and burn yet for this bull season but have been trading all year. We know this summer they are going to do a buy back. This is worth putting in your portfolio as the potentials for high returns 10 -100x+ is there in the short term.

The way i see it. old coins = small to good returns 3x-10x but are a safer 'bet' New coins more speculative but if you do your research the ones that make = good to excellent returns 10x-1000x

Exactly

Optitoken easily.

Optitoken.

Bomb has done 1200 percent in last month without any major exchanges... But that is a hyperdeflationary coin which is a unique niche. Optitoken is next.

I think the new alts which offer a niche will perform the best but are less stable. If you do your research there as some real potentials. For instance Bomb has achieved 1200% in one month and holding stable. If you had 1000 invested you would now have a million. This is the reality of the market. Bomb is a hyper deflationary coin and this niche market may be like the DAG coins of 2017. The sleeping giant in this niche market is Optitoken imho It trades the market using the funds from the sale usining a trading bot specially designed. When it makes money approx 20% it buys back the coins and burns them creating scarcity. As we just entered the bull market and they are doing the burn sometime in the future since the bull market started, i'm assuming the price will jump enormously. Does anyone else know of any hyper deflationary coins?

Loved re-reading this thread in retrospect...

Hi, I've been trying to do the mathematics on scarcity and how it will eventuate. I'm assuming 100% profit would mean 16% coins burned. I'm assuming the best logarithms might do 20% per year. Considering this then it would take 5 years to get a 16% reduction in market cap. Have i got my maths correct?

It's so obvious... He was "borrowing" peoples xrbs on his site taking them to another exchange and using the funds to make money via trading but got caught in the crash. He was trying to delay until the market was starting to going up but didn't make it because the community exposed him... He's just a fool. Young greedy person. We can all learn a lesson from his stupidity.

Fact: right now fiat is best investment. Wait till it drops and then drops some more.... Then buy for the next rush. Bargains will be had. Hodlers will sweat.

I want to give my eths... when i get lambo?

Could someone invite me to slack channel please?

Keep spamming them , they will return it once you start making noise on the nets. That's how they operate, they make it difficult , they don't steal. They just hope people will give up...Personally, taking a persons funds and making it difficult for them to access is a scam. If they had these known issues. they would have hired someone to fix them... This has been going on for months and they are making big money of the trades. Let's just call a spade a spade. It's a scam.

Maybe it's not a scam... maybe it's more like lending a herion addict on the street $50 and expecting him to return it the next day. Maybe it's more like that....