Pro-hashing down?

I cannot get more than $17 a day out of each L3+ with prohashing.

Surely this is the same situation as everyone else? How, where, do I get more?

Thanks

Oh my god, you seriously cannot begin to understand how happy finding this thread has made me.

I CAN TURN THE FANS Down (sshhh) I have had 2 L3+'s (and an S9 - but that HAD to be forced elsewhere) literally 15 feet from my head 24/7 - it was like someone feeding a sentiant AI into a digital mincer. It has almost been worth the chronic migraines and liver failure (due to quantities of paracetamol for debilitating headaches) just to lay down here with the fans at 30%. You know like having to go after a realllyyy long bus journey.

God bless however mentioned that the fans could be adjusted. As you may of guessed this is my first venture into mining and I nearly sold them for real cheap today (or was going to spend $600 on custom sound deadening cases).

so from 4720 rpm stock to 3480. Amazing. Dropped the frequency (Kenneth) down to 350 to be on the safe side, highest chip temp is 54c after 90min. I think I can put it up a little but will hold on another couple of hours. The S9 chips are up around 80c afair, but not sure if I'm comparing apples with apples.

Few things I've noticed - most intresting first, see Bitmain have launched a whole A.I division... I didn't really give much though to the S9's chips being 16 nanometers, until I googled what a nanometer was - a human hair is 80,000 - 100,000 nano meters! How the hell do they make something that switches 1&0's only 16 nanometers??! I can't imagine. I can't imagine it being done without Chinese state assistance. No ICO's, No Exchanges, but max out the mining and spin off A.I tech... conspiracy theory Thursday. Surely creating a wee machine 16nanometers for mass production is pretty astonishing? I think so, but then I have just figured out how to turn the fans down after nearly 2 months so perhaps I'm not fronting the bell curve.

A lot of people holding major beef against Bitmain. I don't know why really. The only thing they have done on me (which is really sloppy actually) they labeled my most recent L3+ as 1640 - no currency symbol. And it cost 1540 odd. So being UK I got hit with customs in £'s or GBP, which ran me an extra $150 import tax.

I am yet to get my 4th and final miner (S9 - 2xL3+ 2XS9) between 10-19th Jan, so won't praise them to quickly (esp after something so stupid as misspricing without a currency symbol - I will try and claim it back, but it won't be fun). But in fairness the 3 have arrived working, when they said. I'm not sure Bitmain can be held responsible for the pretty disappointing returns I'm getting on Pro-Hashing - 2 both at 419mh only made $32.98 lnite.
I'm having a real problem on Prohashing with my average miner effeciency, mid 90's, low as 88%. Currently 97.56%.

I wonder is it because I'm getting paid out in 4 diff coins (LTC, GULDEN, ZCASH, VERT) or because I'm runnin 2 L3+'s of a 20 PCI, 1600w Bitmain APW+++? 240v at the wall here, no wattage meters, but maybe my slight overclock pushed them over the 1600w's? If so would you recommend picking up a 3/400w PSU to power a hashing board or 2?

Even so, my prohashing figures are way below nicehashes daily projections. Tip for Chris? Yes. Make your site give me more coin please or I'm off. Are others getting better numbers?

Read about this Miningrigrentals. Sounds great if it's legit. Many here using it? Seems pretty new. But minimum regular payouts could well make it worth the nicehack risk if it is paying out even 15% more.

Beyond that hello

Thank you so so much for saying about the fan thing. I was nanometers from selling the pair below cost today.

All the best

Hi I 'could' sell you some, if you coud point out the advantages of seling to you on here over me using quick sel on Local bitcoins - no troll. Straight up wondering why I would do it. Also in the UK fwiw. 

Thanks but your all good guys - I just want a bitmain APC++ 1600w from uk or europe for around $140.

Many tanks

Far far too expensive. Please don't mistake my politeness for stupidity.

Any number off APC++ on ebay I can pick up $180 delivered to my door. I am just testing here to see if anyone has one gathering dust and they would like $120 worth of BTC or LTC? Not in a mad rush, just been looking at the 500w to power a hashing board in tandem with the APC+++ and can pick up an EVGA 500W 80 PLUS ATX to pick up the slack on one of the over clocked hashing boards for 2 L3+'s for $60. May not be very neat, but I don't think these efforts are going to win any beauty pagents as it is. Cheers crypto curious!

$120 of coin here for a 1600w APC++ or similar (min gold) delivered to the UK via escrow.

Thanks

Thank you for your reply,

I thought I might be chancing it and really it's not something you out to be risking for the sake of a PSU. I might just run them normally - but even then - 1540w's 24/7 - Bitmain say its grand to run 2 3+'s, but it does sound like a bit of an over-reach on the power supply front, I could possibly under clock them like 2% to bring it under 1500w until a better solution presents itself.

I think post from the US would reach N.Ireland by the 15th of Jan. So opening up the PSU to potential US sellers - just if on the custom sticker you could   decare the price as $40 or so -crazy how much tax we have to pay to get via the States when there seems to be no tax at all on the Chinese PSU's

Thanks again for your help

*edit to tidy up a bit of grammer.

Hello,

I have an S9 and L3+ landing soon and I would like to buy 1 or 2 1600w PSU's

I have a bit of a question if thats ok? I have a 20pin APC+++ and a L3+ aready running of it. However the L3+ is over clocked 10% meaning a draw of approx 840w. The APC+++ as you all know is a 1600w PSU - and able to handle 2 (I think) L3+'s - but will it handle 2 overclocked L3+'s - too risky, be safe enough?

I currently have an S9 and L3+ (L3+ in transit and an S9 arrival 11-20th of Jan) so regardless of the answer to the above I still need a PSU

Pease make your offers inclusive of postage - UK or EU with priority postage. Use bitcointak forum escrow.

Many thanks

Sorry to bump in like this, but the S7 with one hashing board - can the other 2 be bought and added to it? Not in the market for one just at the mo, curious to find out tho.

Soz n thanks

Hi Sammy,

I agree it can be extremely difficult for some people to consider risk beyond betting on the NBA or whatever. I have my own small business an my father has a much larger one.

I actually construct large free standing LED flood lights that run on 18650 rechargeable batteries - It's not complicated. Strips of SMD 5050 wired in parrell to 2/3/4 x4 18650 battery pack. I get the batteries both new if I can see a good deal but also re-furbish old laptop cells with a balance charger.

Even here in the UK/Ireland (I'm in N.I so most likely will have access to both the single market and whatever trading terms are entered into after Brexit - sounds like it's a good place, but has had a LOT of problems, civil war, not just about the border most was caused by bigoted people killing each other because of different branches of the essentially the SAME religon Catholic and Prodestant) I'm late 30's so I remember th bombings and shootings very well. As a reult our parents took us to live in the countryside and we attended some of the first ever intergrated schools in the country - even now only 10-20% of school's are intergrated.

Going to intergrated (Catholic and Prodestant school - the notion of seperated schools based on essentially very small religous differences will probably seem crazy to most in the West - but, hey that's how it was and that lagely how it is!)

But I think it taught me don't be so quick to judge. View evenone as essentially good, because essentially everyones needs and wants are allinged. But I'm no idiot, the world is full of scammers. And not being quick to judge means just that. not quick to judge good or bad.

The UK is definately in a slump - inflation is out pacing wages on paper by 1.1%. But for regular folks the disparatity between wage growth and inflation has really hit a lot lot harder, with food/electronics/clothes up around 5-6% with wages at 2.2%. This is largely because of 'Brexit' and it's incredibly relative. Whether you choose to buy your popcorn at the cinema or bring it from another shop is still an incredibly 1st world problem!

So really the Items I can just buy items from China and flip them on eBayAmazon for a nice profit a few and far between. I have to add a degree of value to my products - be that making the rechargable flood lights for painters or putting a wifi (or regular) motion activated spy camera with a smalller battery pack in a clock for small shops and home CCTV. Or sowing LED wire through childrens school bags and adding a GPS tracker os the child can be both visable and easily locatabled if they become lost. All this is value aded stuff I do myself (none of these examples are paticularly complicated once you have down a few)

But I believe this is a goo mentality and especiallly in Africa where it would be much cheaper to ship the componets and explain the processes of how to build them than shipping the finished article would be a lot more profitable for both sides. Because one commodity that is univeral is time. And everything takes time.

Right now it's christmas and retail is so busy. So I don't have any time to follow up until things settle in January. Then I will have 2 S9 miners and 2 L3+ miners working and my goal is to make enough to buy 8-10 electric bikes, a 10year old Toyota HiLux (or Nissan Nevara) and rent the bikes out to families in 2 local holiday forest parts at around £15p/h

But I see potential in keeping my knowledge of online commerence alive by dealing with 1 or 2 people in Africa and quit being a tiny cog in the eBay and Amazon world. My Dads business is much much larger than mine. He has around 250,000 about 90% of them being individual items of media, but its mostly all  analoge - People would be surprised how many VHS tapes and vyinal records sell in Europe - but my Father would only turn over a very small % of his stock a year but that small % would have a much higher value.

I prefer new, multiple listings that require little work cleaning up before being posted. It's 2 different styles. Neither can be judged right or wrong because they are both successful in there own way.

But I do have 2 stand alone EZCAP analouge to digital convertors and one day - if I ever find the time! I would like to start archiving my fathers stock. Infinately more transportable and it's rare video's stuff with a bit of age to it. Stuff that never made it onto another format - one of the biggest sellers are sports VHS of football matches in the 80's! Loads of stuff like that - and actually I should end this and help him with the post.

But yeah put together a simple business plan - It's something I have never done lol - but it would really have helped I think if I knew exactly what I was doing before I started.

Good luck sir, chat soon I hope

Merry Christmas

Edit, couple of lines missed in a hurry

Hello,

I got your PM, not to sure if you got mine tho, the forum seems very laggy and timed out twice.

This is essentially the PM I tried to send, that is super convient you being in the UK -

Hello Squall,

Yes you would certainly be a person that I would be comfortable selling to, esp as I just read your sticky on escrow! What about that 3 way escrow? I can't say I fully understand it but a coffee and 20 mins should surfice.

Couple of things, where abouts are located? I would even consider taking the ferry over if you were in the North of England to do a deal in a bank or post office. Although you would likely want to see it working before paying so not 100% how you would feel about that.

Would you need a PSU?

Regards price, I would be using the quick sell on the UK's local bitcoins (If you could advise me on how not to get scammed on that be highly appreciated) so that would be the the actual £'s I would be recieving for the miner

I'm going to look through the last 6 in hand S9 sales on ebay, deduct £250 and 3.7% and hopfully we can work something out via that as a intial guide price?

If this doesn't send again I'm just going to stick it down as a reply on my advert and we could conduct further negotiations by email - thanks

Thanks again for getting in touch

Edit - Removed email

I hope you do reply Sammy and I hope you are genuine. You seem an intelligent fellow, lot's of respect for anyone who can speak 2+ languages. I don't see the model Sammy is proposing as a get rich quick scheme.

And I could imagine him needing a little bit of wiggle room to get things started (hence I proposed 30% payment up front) and smaller value items to begin, maybe escrow for over $200, but if Sammy finds the 30% upfront, that means you don't really need to get into escrow until the $350 mark.

I have LOTS of consumer electronic stuff and 30 listings on eBay - should be 100 but its an ordeal.

Taxes a very important, as are the correct customs stickers- however I have experience selling all over the world, I would just need the tarriffs for your country so as to stay just under.

Way to long have people in the West judged Africa on the actions of a few and absolutely if the shoe was on the other foot I'm sure there are plenty in Africa would blame the West...

If BTC is going to mean anything (in my mind) it has to mean forging peer 2 peer global trading relationships.

However you can't cut corners in trade and when in retail you need to know you market - where, what, who, how much?

From much trail and error importing from China to sell in the UK, in the beginning you really need to focus on what you can turnover quickly. Cashflow is the oil of trade and if you get a load of stuff at the start and it gathers dust for a month you are going to struggle in the early days, so know your market, know what profit margin you need to make to grow and what margin the market will bare.

No matter what you do you'll have competiton.

The reason this paticularly interests me is that I was chatting to a lad who did tyres recently, cheap half worn ones - but the premise was huge. The other business they have - which is making far more money apparently is buying clothes by the kilo and shipping them to Africa.

So I know somone doing this.

However 2nd thoughts maybe escrow everything. Credit lines are hard won. But a certain risk is manageable.

Hello,

I'm really not sure if this is the smartest move or not. I've an L3+ and an S9 both in hand, both terrifying my neighbours.

And I have another L3+ Dec & S9 Jan.

The L3+ is absolutly killing it now on prohashing- $24 made yest, It has been overclocked to 431mh and is hashing at 564M/H

with the fans at 3720 and 3690 %2.8 Hardware errors.

I'm moving all my miners so the homocidel neighbours won't be an issue - but the £550 import duties due at the end of the month needing an
plus extra PSU (This sale does not include a PSU - possibly could actually if you needed one to get mining straight away, would need to be factored into the price tho - I have 2 APW3+++'s one with enough pins for 2 L3+'s one with 10 pins)

But yeah I ran up my credit card, I'm dating, It's Christmas, blah bla, need money lol.

I just went all in getting 4 miners, didn't factor in all the extra cost's, and now I am seriously considering that I would part with one for a fat wedge of stinking fiat.

L3+'s & S9's are going for big money on eBay. However £250 of the top and 3.7% PayCunt fees, plus the thought of someone doing a chargeback after mining for 2 weeks at 650mh/s and claiming its faulty makes me quesy.

So maybe I'll get a better deal here. Cash on collection would def be the prefered option, direct (UK) bank transfer second choice. BTC 3rd

They are all mining, if call round you can see the stats, if you can't ask for any photos you wish (except serial number- or maybe serial number, not sure if that matters??) you can look through the stats, they are 100%.

However fully insured priority postage - Royal Mail or UPS is also an option and if we make a deal, no dicking about on my side, I'll have it in the post same working day in it's original box.

Having never sold anything of this value through here (never sold anything on here!) I would really appreciate advice on Bitcointalk forum escrow. I so so so can't afford to get screwed. If I do get a reasonable offer on one or the other and you do try to screw me please know- If you are looking for a free mininer I can tell you I don't have money, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my miner go now that'll be the end of it.

Realistic offers please. It is the £'s I'm after so if an offer is made in crypto please take into account all the fees that are involved flipping that. (And could someone alsotell me how to do it!)

These are not pre-orders, they are in hand paid for when BCC was around the $350 mark. Also I've read a lot about people laughing at eBay prices but those are sales, I'm happyto absorb the £250 fees and 3.7% commission and (I've not checked yet but will soon) whatever fees 100% trusted escow sellers ask on here 50/50

If the item needs posted you will need to pay that. I will get 2 estimates with full insurance from Royal Mail and UPS along with as close as possible eta times. Maybe not great for US buyers - I'm pretty sure there is tax and I'm not going to under declare the amount. EU will be fine though. Also if there is a buyer in Ireland I'm pretty much prepared to drive halfway to a town and conduct the transaction in a bank - Euro's are grand. Another option is if a buyer is in Ireland without transport I'm happy to deliver after we have had a skype chat, you show me the cash and add me on facebook.

Thanks,

And please ask questions,

Kind Regards

Dr Octagon

Edited *EU should be fine to EU will be fine. Still in the single market for now! I also added that a PSU could be available but would need priced in as I would have to get a new one later in the month. Also added info regarding travelling to meet in a bank to conduct the deal within the Island of Ireland.

Hello,

I don't see this as nessesarliy a bad idea at all. Actually it's a very good one.

As a regular eBay seller - eBay is no easy place to make money. 10% fees, Paypal 4% fees, and if you want to find scammers you'll find plenty on eBay. The amount of chargebacks I've had recently because I havn't sent signed delivery ($4 for a $20 item) and asshats taking and using somthing (a $450 projector in my example) them just on the 14th day saying no - doesn't work, full refund please. I don't know if that Guy has stolen the $80 bulb out of it - point I'm making is there is a hell of a lot of stuff to be sold and don't think eBay or Amazon are bastions of ecommerce and free of fraud. They aint. And they take a buttload of fees.

Mate I think the best thing you could do is draw up a reasonable price list of fairly common goods - older gen mobiles, PS2/3's, toy drones, LED stuff,
I deal mostly in tech I import direct from china. Lots of 18650 battery components, raspberry pi / arduino stuff, spy camera's that kind of thing.

I think in order for me to do business with you, I need a price list of say 20 common items you would like to buy - this gives me an idea of where your coming from - then I would need to know details on postage, cost, sizes, weights and transit times all very very important.

To do a deal trust has to be on both sides - you should ask for various photo's in RAW format, or whatever, just so you know what your getting and when and for how much.

The seller of the goods should receive 30% up front - this is primarly to cover shipping - which in a fair business deal should be split 50/50%

Proof of your bitcoin holding also needs to be verified by a 3rd party. I don't know how to read a block chain, but I can run a business

Africa is BOOMING in relative terms and I am certain there is a need for consumer durables. I would suggest sticking to one or 2 categories and building a brand.

I don't see how you could sell a pick up truck - and be a good expert salesman in mobile phones - go with light, high demand, consumer electronics would be my advice. I mean I have a box of 50 really excellent LED torches but I can't sell them individually in this country (UK) because they cost £2.90 to post and thats without tracking.

If you could do that, you are so much closer to really establishing trading partners.

Best of Luck!

I paid 5.22 BCC and all I got was this lousy cucumber, now they won't even answer my tickets???

P.S can one over clock a cucumber, if so how so?

Dr Octagon hates salad

Lol, sorry guys I went with Slush, I had originally set up with kano but a combination of Newbie ineptness and tbh, not a hugely inviting interface or help section (just saying is all!)

Slush has been in beast mode I believe this weekend. Beginning to regret the L3+'s.

Do people buy/trade miners on here with some sort of escrow? Just the thought of eBay pocketing 10% then some ass mining 2 weeks overclocked to hell and putting in a paypal refund makes me quesy. (just seen there is, soz)

There was a block this morning on Slush that was cracked in 14sec with pool luck of 41418.43%

Still a newbie - and I should of clarified in my title I have 1 S9 + 1 L3+ with an L3+ late Dec an S9 start Jan (though anything I've ordered during Chinese new year stick an extra 2 weeks on shipping min  )

Also I was wondering if you guys knew how to reduce the duty of these yokes? I'm in N.Ireland (technically the UK) and I paid $348 for 1 and $442 for the other - These taxes anger Dr Octagon.

Just put the curse on Slush 3hrs no blocks

Oh and thank you very much for your help - if nothing else you guys kept me out of the clutches of the commies. Dr Octagon is not a communist.

Hello,

After a fair bit of dilberation I threw my chips in with Slushpool. Great interface, good for the network, most importantly its the oldest pool around. With nicehash ripping off $62m I am amazed that Slushpool, based on everything I have read, has a real soild rep. Hasn't seriously capitalised on this.

I hooked up my S9 to slushpool apporx 48hrs ago and compared to my L3+ on prohasing it's putting a major beat down on it!

The L3+ had around an 8hr avantage - so 56hr's it's done $40. It's doing a bit better with a 18% overclock (side question - is 1.76% HW errors acceptable?)

As you may guess I am a mining newbie (but learning fast) I have an S9 and an L3+ in had and a late Dec L3+ and Jan (wonder how Chinese New year will effect shipping  ) S9 both paid for.

Also those mining calculators are BS - they only count 12.5 blocks, I think the average past 2 days is 14 and change. Had to post that somewhere!

But despite the L3+'s 8hr head start it's pulled in $40

Going by xe.com the S9 has made $96

(not included pool fees in either)

I kind of regret going with the L3+ (esp as it cost 6.87 BCC at the time)

But should I regin in my expectations regarding the S9? I noticed today that a block earlier had 41418.43 % pool luck, that's lol.

I'm debating selling the L3+ and picking up 2 S7's (and pocketing $7/800) obv's nobody can tell anyone what to do with their money!

But what would you do in the situation? Also - and pretty much the main point of this post is should I regin in my expectations RE Slush, I mean it's 2hrs now without a block. Has the pool just been 'lucky' last 48hrs?

If so whats a rough average of variance per day +/- 10%/20% more?

Is this just the luck of the Irish joining the pool :p

Thank you if you take the time to answer, it's much appreciated.

* I've been following BTC since $8 or so but Mt Gox put me off, the I had about 12BTC around the $200 mark that I actually gambled up to 30+ on the NBA (rem one accumulator would of netted 40 odd BTC but the Sacramento Kangs somehow beat the Trailblazers by like 2 points - scary cash now lol)

But this June I threw pretty much all I had into it and to keep me in the game I've moved to mining rather than day trading. Although That was profitable.

*Irrelevant information lol -

Thanks again

I'm not keen on antpool as I've read some pretty salty stuff about them on here, such as them making a million a month and like with heavy fees, also although just a tiny fish I don't like all this mass centralisation with antpool and I'm not at all sure I wan't the return on my investment interrupted by a communist regieme - unlikely, not impossible.

Read that Nicehash may have been hacked for $60million! Anyone know more about that?

One of the biggest motivating factor in choosing a pool will be getting coin out and onto a ledger once a day. I hate to say it - but meh, what odds if I do, not going to effect anything. But the 2 biggest threats to bitcoin are 'tether' and bitfinex going under and antpool or another pool being hacked/slapped with regulation. ,

I would like to insulate myself - to a degree - from massive variance and I don't really want to get too swept up in the 'Ant' mega corp (although no idea why NEO is so low)

I have to say though that I really don't mind which SHA256 coin I mine. Whichever pays the most. I support a football team, Not a $ £ euro or Yen. Plus BTC's transaction fees are beginning to grind my gears. So Ideally for the 2 S9's I'd like a pool that can offer all of the above, without the shit parts of the above - if you get me!?

Suggestions most appreciated


Thanks

Dr Octagon

Kano seems pretty popular here, may as well add my 27T/H to it.

Can I add L3+'s though?

Thanks

Hello,

Have read a fair bit and I know this is STRICTLY a BTC mining pool forum but as that's all I want anyway (even with L3+'s) I was hoping you guys could point me in the right direction.

I had planned just to hook them up to nicehash - let them do there thing. Now it's down it's pretty worrying and has made me think I should hedge my bets by mining a few pools

Anything I can look into further?

Thanks

Yours Forever

Dr Octagon