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Sorry for being away from the thread been a bit busy. Wanted to mention a few things because all of these posts all of a sudden attacking us is just silly and want to address a few things.
1. Read our whitepaper acknowledgements it is more transparent than Spectrecoin.
2. If you read point #1 you will know we gave credit to Shadowcash which was one of the first to have this native wallet design. The wallet design is nice but to be honest it has a lot of issues on the UX level and we hired a designer and QT developer to update the desktop wallets to make it better of which I am more than happy to release the code just as others have to make it possible for us to get this far.
3. I have something that the developers of Spectrecoin do NOT have. I spoke to the head developer of Shadowcash, who is now running Particl, and asked him for PERMISSION to use certain parts of the code. He said "No problem" and appreciated that I reached out to him. He is actually really nice and look forward to meeting him one day.
4. Our mission is to do more than than what we have available. Our management is definitely business oriented and in order for any crypto project to become massively adopted plans and execution need to occur to make adoption spread. We have the networks that a lot of current block chains would only DREAM of having.
5. Finally, crypto is an open sourced community, remember, Bitcoin was made possible because it was OPEN TO THE WORLD. Thank the inventors (I don't believe it is just 1 person) for allowing this to help change the world.
So, for all of the people out there trying to say things about us just know we are transparent and any of you can contact me any time.
Feel free to reach out to me!
Derek
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I am anticipating 1 year after this project. The people are enjoying to use their debit card and investors fill their company. 2 years from now, tokenpay will dominate the cryptocurrencies.
LOL Their imaginary debit, no card provider is going to issue a debit card to a shady bank purchased for coins on the TOR network. SCAM PROJECT Hey Dev how much did these shills cost you?  At the moment, the cases with the licenses of the bank look bad! But what will happen at the end of 2018 no one can know! The more the crypto-currency market grows, the faster the payment agglomerates and banks will try to cross it. If the Token Pay project already gives a concept of how to do this - this is the simplest way to implement, you did not think about it? Tell me how a total privacy coin with not KYC/AML regulation will be able to be used worldwide via a card? Simple answer is it will not because all Western banking nations require information about card holders. That is why the Dev jumped out of this thread and left it to the paid shills to answer questions he knows the bank thing is a scam and will never happen, neither will the cards. Leo, I am here. I didn't jump the thread. When you travel the world you will learn that what we are proposing is possible. You keep mentioning WESTERN but if you carefully read our whitepaper you can see where our bank will be. Leo, you are definitely spewing a lot of false information so I will try my best to clear it all up. Yes, we did do a 75% pre-mine whereas most, more like 99% of the other "shit coins" do a 100% premine, we are giving 25% for Proof of Stake while other coins are using ETH based coins which have no proof of stake rewards. I call those "Proof of Nothing"  The price per coin is NOT $400 per coin it is $4 and that is because BTC keeps fluctuating and with the 50% bonus it comes down to $3ish. Where did you get $400? We explained the tiers as best as possible. I am not sure how much you know about business or running an exchange but I will give you some bullet points. 1. In order to have a lot of merchants and consumers on a platform you need to have a liquid and fast exchange for them to convert the crypto they receive to the fiat of their choice. We do not want to rely on another exchange but if we don't reach that goal it will have to come to that. As for disclaimers. Even banks on WallStreet have disclaimers it is prudent for us as well it does not mean we will not work hard to make all of what we put in the whitepaper possible. We see our project as having a great blockchain on its own, unlike a lot of these other projects. The Business side to increase adoption of the coin is where the merchant services, debit card and banking come in. In other words, on its own our project is better than 95% of the current projects out there just with the blockchain tech. Which you agree with. The goal is how to increase adoption of TPAY and we feel our plan is a great way to do that. Will the debit card or bank run on TOR, no. but if someone wants to transfer TPAY to TPAY anonymously they can. What we are doing is bringing the concept of "CASH" to the internet. Cash is extremely anonymous. So, our block chain tehcnology is bringing that aspect to the online world. When people send TPAY TO TPAY it remains as anonymous as possible but the minute that gets converted to another crypto, fiat or deposited into an exchange that happens to track your IP address, etc. then you have to follow their rules. We can't control that. We never said in our whitepaper nor in public that TOR will be integrated with the banking and debit card aspects. Nevertheless, a bank CAN issue debit cards that do not have a name attached to it just like AMEX sells debit cards or gift cards with no names attached to it. So, anyone that is interested in banking in a privacy focused jurisdiction they can with TokenPay. The bank we want to acquire or integrate with is located in Vanuatu, please research on the benefits of that jurisdiction. Over time and stronger relationships I am confident that we could go to other jurisdictions and provide options to the consumer and merchants. In order to run you have to crawl first. I am concluding that you don't want to have a dialogue as you have been saying the same thing to other boards, nothing but negativity and it gets to a point where there is no point in continuing the dialogue. I tried as best as I could. Derek Leo, you are definitely spewing a lot of false information so I will try my best to clear it all up. Yes, we did do a 75% pre-mine whereas most, more like 99% of the other "shit coins" do a 100% premine, we are giving 25% for Proof of Stake while other coins are using ETH based coins which have no proof of stake rewards. I call those "Proof of Nothing" Wink The price per coin is NOT $400 per coin it is $4 and that is because BTC keeps fluctuating and with the 50% bonus it comes down to $3ish. Where did you get $400? We explained the tiers as best as possible. I am not sure how much you know about business or running an exchange but I will give you some bullet points. 1. In order to have a lot of merchants and consumers on a platform you need to have a liquid and fast exchange for them to convert the crypto they receive to the fiat of their choice. We do not want to rely on another exchange but if we don't reach that goal it will have to come to that. As for disclaimers. Even banks on WallStreet have disclaimers it is prudent for us as well it does not mean we will not work hard to make all of what we put in the whitepaper possible. We see our project as having a great blockchain on its own, unlike a lot of these other projects. The Business side to increase adoption of the coin is where the merchant services, debit card and banking come in. In other words, on its own our project is better than 95% of the current projects out there just with the blockchain tech. Which you agree with. The goal is how to increase adoption of TPAY and we feel our plan is a great way to do that. Will the debit card or bank run on TOR, no. but if someone wants to transfer TPAY to TPAY anonymously they can. What we are doing is bringing the concept of "CASH" to the internet. Cash is extremely anonymous. So, our block chain tehcnology is bringing that aspect to the online world. When people send TPAY TO TPAY it remains as anonymous as possible but the minute that gets converted to another crypto, fiat or deposited into an exchange that happens to track your IP address, etc. then you have to follow their rules. We can't control that. We never said in our whitepaper nor in public that TOR will be integrated with the banking and debit card aspects. Nevertheless, a bank CAN issue debit cards that do not have a name attached to it just like AMEX sells debit cards or gift cards with no names attached to it. So, anyone that is interested in banking in a privacy focused jurisdiction they can with TokenPay. The bank we want to acquire or integrate with is located in Vanuatu, please research on the benefits of that jurisdiction. Over time and stronger relationships I am confident that we could go to other jurisdictions and provide options to the consumer and merchants. In order to run you have to crawl first. I am concluding that you don't want to have a dialogue as you have been saying the same thing to other boards, nothing but negativity and it gets to a point where there is no point in continuing the dialogue. I tried as best as I could. Derek |
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I am anticipating 1 year after this project. The people are enjoying to use their debit card and investors fill their company. 2 years from now, tokenpay will dominate the cryptocurrencies.
LOL Their imaginary debit, no card provider is going to issue a debit card to a shady bank purchased for coins on the TOR network. SCAM PROJECT Hey Dev how much did these shills cost you? At the moment, the cases with the licenses of the bank look bad! But what will happen at the end of 2018 no one can know! The more the crypto-currency market grows, the faster the payment agglomerates and banks will try to cross it. If the Token Pay project already gives a concept of how to do this - this is the simplest way to implement, you did not think about it? Tell me how a total privacy coin with not KYC/AML regulation will be able to be used worldwide via a card? Simple answer is it will not because all Western banking nations require information about card holders. That is why the Dev jumped out of this thread and left it to the paid shills to answer questions he knows the bank thing is a scam and will never happen, neither will the cards. Leo, I am here. I didn't jump the thread. When you travel the world you will learn that what we are proposing is possible. You keep mentioning WESTERN but if you carefully read our whitepaper you can see where our bank will be. Leo, you are definitely spewing a lot of false information so I will try my best to clear it all up. Yes, we did do a 75% pre-mine whereas most, more like 99% of the other "shit coins" do a 100% premine, we are giving 25% for Proof of Stake while other coins are using ETH based coins which have no proof of stake rewards. I call those "Proof of Nothing" The price per coin is NOT $400 per coin it is $4 and that is because BTC keeps fluctuating and with the 50% bonus it comes down to $3ish. Where did you get $400? We explained the tiers as best as possible. I am not sure how much you know about business or running an exchange but I will give you some bullet points. 1. In order to have a lot of merchants and consumers on a platform you need to have a liquid and fast exchange for them to convert the crypto they receive to the fiat of their choice. We do not want to rely on another exchange but if we don't reach that goal it will have to come to that. As for disclaimers. Even banks on WallStreet have disclaimers it is prudent for us as well it does not mean we will not work hard to make all of what we put in the whitepaper possible. We see our project as having a great blockchain on its own, unlike a lot of these other projects. The Business side to increase adoption of the coin is where the merchant services, debit card and banking come in. In other words, on its own our project is better than 95% of the current projects out there just with the blockchain tech. Which you agree with. The goal is how to increase adoption of TPAY and we feel our plan is a great way to do that. Will the debit card or bank run on TOR, no. but if someone wants to transfer TPAY to TPAY anonymously they can. What we are doing is bringing the concept of "CASH" to the internet. Cash is extremely anonymous. So, our block chain tehcnology is bringing that aspect to the online world. When people send TPAY TO TPAY it remains as anonymous as possible but the minute that gets converted to another crypto, fiat or deposited into an exchange that happens to track your IP address, etc. then you have to follow their rules. We can't control that. We never said in our whitepaper nor in public that TOR will be integrated with the banking and debit card aspects. Nevertheless, a bank CAN issue debit cards that do not have a name attached to it just like AMEX sells debit cards or gift cards with no names attached to it. So, anyone that is interested in banking in a privacy focused jurisdiction they can with TokenPay. The bank we want to acquire or integrate with is located in Vanuatu, please research on the benefits of that jurisdiction. Over time and stronger relationships I am confident that we could go to other jurisdictions and provide options to the consumer and merchants. In order to run you have to crawl first. I am concluding that you don't want to have a dialogue as you have been saying the same thing to other boards, nothing but negativity and it gets to a point where there is no point in continuing the dialogue. I tried as best as I could. Derek |
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I am anticipating 1 year after this project. The people are enjoying to use their debit card and investors fill their company. 2 years from now, tokenpay will dominate the cryptocurrencies.
LOL Their imaginary debit, no card provider is going to issue a debit card to a shady bank purchased for coins on the TOR network. SCAM PROJECT Hey Dev how much did these shills cost you? At the moment, the cases with the licenses of the bank look bad! But what will happen at the end of 2018 no one can know! The more the crypto-currency market grows, the faster the payment agglomerates and banks will try to cross it. If the Token Pay project already gives a concept of how to do this - this is the simplest way to implement, you did not think about it? Tell me how a total privacy coin with not KYC/AML regulation will be able to be used worldwide via a card? Simple answer is it will not because all Western banking nations require information about card holders. That is why the Dev jumped out of this thread and left it to the paid shills to answer questions he knows the bank thing is a scam and will never happen, neither will the cards. Leo, I am here. I didn't jump the thread. When you travel the world you will learn that what we are proposing is possible. You keep mentioning WESTERN but if you carefully read our whitepaper you can see where our bank will be. |
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I Initially liked this product, especially the privacy features.
But I am calling B.S on buying a bank and then looking into a debit card.
Not trying to FUD, if you read my earlier posts on this topic I supported the idea but the DEV cannot explain how he expects to have a total privacy coin, while at the same time maintaining KYC rules in order to team up with a card issuer.
You have 2 opposing forces at work there, the privacy side of the coin vs the total transparency for the Card side of things.
You CANNOT have both, and Dev has failed to explain how or why this will work, privacy AND transparency KYC Regulations.
Actually, you can have both. All of these crypto's are like cash except that some track every IP address and some do not (that is us). Cash itself is extremely anonymous yet when you have to pay bills when a bank is involved you have to comply to their and the governments rules. Now, if you have a network of ways to be able to pay for stuff using cash and cash only then you can remain private forever, however, the systems in place today for cash makes it hard to do that. With Crypto it is much more possible than cash. You can earn crypto spend crypto never have anyone know your ip address (like ours given TOR integration) and as long as more and more consumers and merchants accept and transact in this way it becomes more and more anonymous. Nevertheless, when you need to pay a bill via a bank or you want to buy a large asset such as a house unfortunately today it is difficult to do that with ONLY crypto. In the future it becomes more and more of a possibility but right now today 99.99% of real estate is done via fiat. So, if you were to link crypto to your bank account today and transferred from say coinbase 100k to your bank account, I can assure you they will hold that money and potentially close your bank account. The goal here is that our bank would understand you are a crypto holder from day 1. Then you have to consider how privacy jurisdictions work this is where the full privacy and anonymity comes into play to make all of the aspects of what we have today and what we plan to have provide a whole solution. |
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Hackers won't get easily to our wallets, hmm.. Will Tokenpay integrate the use of hard wallets? coz we use a web wallet is it required?
We do plan to increase the number of hard wallet options in the future. We believe that is critical. |
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What is the difference of Blue Diamond Card to other Debitcard token that has been created here in this industry like Monaco, Centra, Spectrocoin, Bitpay, and Uahpay? Your answer is much appreciated thank you  Thanks for your message. The main difference if we are giving a 1% reward for purchases made on the Debit card with TPAY, this will help increase the use of the coin with many merchants. Merchants will have a lower fee for accepting TPAY vs. other coins. The card is just one piece to the entire service we plan. The blockchain technology itself is pretty strong and in time will only get stronger. |
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This token sale open to all people worldwide? I mean, I definetly from another country.
Yes, open to people worldwide. |
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Is there any relationship between TokenPay and Verge Currency other than Sunerok the Verge Lead Developer being the Blockchain Audit Advisor for TokenPay? Can we expect any joint collaborations as both are privacy coins with their own blockchains?
There is no relationship between us and Verge. Nevertheless, we do plan on making our code open sourced so that Verge or other privacy focused developers can contribute to our project. So what is the difference between Tokenpay and Verge anyway if they don't have any realationship? And what do you mean that you are planning to create a code open source? The main difference is that Verge is Proof of Work whereas we are Proof of Stake. There are others but please review our whitepaper to learn more. |
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hello dev, any reward for me for making this gif ? thank you  Sure send me a direct message with a name and e-mail and I will offer you some TPAY. I like it. |
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Thanks for replying your answer was what I was wondering.
I think this is a good project and will invest in it but at the same time I don't think you can sell the "Total Privacy" side of your coin while at the same time promoting the use of a debit/credit card as we all know they will fall under the KYC rules.
So that then makes me wonder why promote having a card at all if it by doing so you remove the very essence and most important feature of the coin?
Once you remove privacy it then just becomes another coin trying to get a credit card just like Moncao and TenX, both of whom do not have privacy and are struggling to align themselves with Visa and Mastercard, why would a privacy coin have any more chance of doing so or would the bank you buy be the issuer of the cards and if that is the case, how could buying a bank help you to achieve accreditation from a card provider if your coin is based on privacy?
Sorry if my comment sounds like it is meant to be negative as it is not I just see the two privacy vs credit-debit card as Ying and Yang, two totally different things, so from the outside looking in you have two features of your coin pitted against each other, or am I missing something here?
Why did you avoid this question Dev, do you not think it is relevant? Not trying to avoid you just trying to reply to as many people as possible and given account limits kinda annoying to wait 6 minutes to make a post Regulated banking is an essential service whether we like it or not (trust me, we don’t like it). Frankly, the license holders are influential and we want to make a difference by being as disruptive as we can in the global banking system. Clearly there are limits as to how disruptive we can be but we plan to at least challenge the conventional notion that everybody with a secret offshore bank account or holding crytpocurrency is a money laundering criminal by default. |
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so when you will start bounty campaign or just start prepaire it?,i think will take part bounty campaign ,very promising ANN and whitepaper . will follow this thread in future.
Bounty program is up and running |
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As far as I understand your coin will have its own block-chain and be extracted through the POS algorithm. This is an interesting proposal considering that most startups are implemented through smart contracts ERC20. I consider the option of participation, but nowhere do I see information about how much I will receive coins for 1 BTC?
Hello as stated in our whitepaper, you will receive 2000 TPAY for 1 BTC. Also if you register for the token sale, you will be able to calculate the exact amount using our dashboard. Thanks for the answer! The price for 1 coin at the current moment is about 4 dollars, it's a good price! I will carefully follow the development of your project and I will be happy to promote it through the blog and social networks! As an investor, I'm wondering what the minimum number of coins I can buy? Right now the minimum amount to purchase is .01 BTC which about 20 TPAY or 30 if you get the 50% bonus. |
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Is there any relationship between TokenPay and Verge Currency other than Sunerok the Verge Lead Developer being the Blockchain Audit Advisor for TokenPay? Can we expect any joint collaborations as both are privacy coins with their own blockchains?
There is no relationship between us and Verge. Nevertheless, we do plan on making our code open sourced so that Verge or other privacy focused developers can contribute to our project. |
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Some questions for the Devs.
If you are a total privacy coin and fully annon does that mean I can sign up for ICO using a pseudonym and not my real name?
If and when you acquire a bank and the Blue Diamond cards are issued, will I be required to go through any ID verification processes or can I use my pseudonym rather than my real name on the card a well?
How will the cards be delivered whilst maintaining total privacy?
If I use the card and fund it from my secure wallet does that then remove my privacy as there is a link between the spending/withdrawal using the card?
Thanks.
Very good questions, keep them coming! I will address each of your questions Your questions: If you are a total privacy coin and fully annon does that mean I can sign up for ICO using a pseudonym and not my real name? My reply: When you use our desktop wallets all of the transactions will be anonymous given its link to the TOR network. TPAY to TPAY transactions are always anonymous when using our wallets. The minute you are connected to an exchange chances are there will be no anonymity given most of these exchanges comply with AML and KYC compliance. For the token sale, if you decide to use a pseudonym and not your real name, you can. Many have already. Your question: If and when you acquire a bank and the Blue Diamond cards are issued, will I be required to go through any ID verification processes or can I use my pseudonym rather than my real name on the card a well? How will the cards be delivered whilst maintaining total privacy? If I use the card and fund it from my secure wallet does that then remove my privacy as there is a link between the spending/withdrawal using the card? My reply: When TokenPay becomes a licensed entity we will be compelled to comply with the regulations in the jurisdictions in which we operate. This is why it is important to have a privacy jurisdiction from day 1. Hi, thank you for the reply. I think you sidestepped the final question though, given you have alluded to the fact that you will operate in the most privacy friendly jurisdiction, you did not answer the question about being allowed to have a pseudonym for the ownership of the card, or will your cards also fall under KYC/AML compliance rules no matter where they are issued from? Sorry was not trying to sidestep the question. This will depend on the rules of the card issuer. Some cards have names, some do not. Think Green Dot Visa & Mastercard for example. These can be bought with cash at 7-11 and reloaded the same way. The major credit card companies ultimately operate under US regulations. Anybody who tries to spin a story otherwise is lying to you. |
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As far as I understand your coin will have its own block-chain and be extracted through the POS algorithm. This is an interesting proposal considering that most startups are implemented through smart contracts ERC20. I consider the option of participation, but nowhere do I see information about how much I will receive coins for 1 BTC?
In the whitepaper near the end in the Token Sale section (it is very long at 70 pages) it says that the exchange is 2000 TPAY to 1 BTC. I agree with your sentiments about the value of this coin having its own blockchain. I'm tired of all this ERC20 junk. What attracted me to this project is that Sunerok is on board. I'm a huge fan of Verge and what they have been doing for the community. I think once this coin hits the exchanges it will be a winner. I wonder if the typical "ICO buyers" will be able to see beyond the pricing as they are accustomed to getting thousands of coins for a dollar with the ERC20 token sales. This one is priced at a few dollars, because the supply is tight. Ambitious project like I said in my first post but it looks like they have the team to pull it off. Thank for the vote of confidence. |
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I have registered an account in TPay Dashboard. But if I want to have a TPay Address, I should to download TPay App right ? But I can't download TPay App for my mobile, where is I can find a link to download the app for my Android ?
Thanks for your message. When we release the wallets you can then get the TPAY address and you will upload it via the dashboard please be 100% confident in the one you will submit as we will lock it and now allow adjustment for security reasons. |
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mate youu say you unified all anon technologies in a single unbreakable platform: who did the in-deth security and code audit and concluded that your anon tech outcompetes all the anon techs in existence right now?
Hey Nightz, thanks for the message. Before we decided to work on the blockchain we analyzed hundreds of coins and poured over hundreds of conversations to deeply understand what the veteran crypto community as well as newbies would be interested in. We then saw a surge of ETH based coins which overall has no real blockchain technology and was filled of a lot of empty promises. We felt that if we were to launch a project we wanted it to be one where there would be ultra private and secure technology that would be used by the community. Our coin was influenced by features made by Blackcoin, Peer coin, Shadow and Bitcoin (which is the core foundation). Once we decided on the blockchain we wanted to make sure that it would be reviewed by an active and privacy focused developer and asked Sunerok who is the lead developer of Verge to check out the code and make sure that it was coded up to the high standards we wanted. We also contacted the developer of Shadow to get their blessing if we were to use some of the open sourced code from their project, which was closed and converted to Particl. Nevertheless, we will continue to develop the blockchain technology with the funds for example in adding a Tor based mobile wallet that runs on android or ios (we don't have one yet) or integrate smart contract technology with RSK. Lots to do! Got it, but I was just wondering because you claim to be the most secure coin, but there can't even any reliable indicators to back that claim up. Right now, given the hash rate and the money entrusted, Bitcoin is beyond doubt the most secure coin at a scale larger than any other coin. This is not to attack you, it's just to find out what your plan is to back your ambitious claims. Thanks for the message. Our intention with the title is that our features are more private and secure than Bitcoin. You are right given Bitcoin's age and market share they are the most secure based on volume but not necessarily when it comes to tech features. The wallets, when available, will demonstrate the features more clearly. |
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Question for Derek... In the event of extreme BTC volatility are you planning to fix the exchange price?
Thanks for the question, we will do whatever we can to make sure anyone that purchases gets a fair price in an event of extreme vol of BTC. However, given the price has been in a good range for the past month or so we have no plans to fix the price. Will you be accepting other coins in exchange for TPAY? Right now we are only accepting BITCOIN since it is one of the most widely used in the world. Thanks for the questions. |
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Question for Derek... In the event of extreme BTC volatility are you planning to fix the exchange price?
Thanks for the question, we will do whatever we can to make sure anyone that purchases gets a fair price in an event of extreme vol of BTC. However, given the price has been in a good range for the past month or so we have no plans to fix the price. |
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