^^^ What they said

Note, they did come out with this yesterday:

https://bitcoingold.org/safety-is-critical/

However, I don't know that I can buy the "Man in the Middle" attack theory. How many people in crypto, having already gone to jail or going to jail for stealing people's money, have tried this explaination?

Also, the site in question has had two forms: one that was complete, and had footer credits that linked to the repositories the code came from, along with three options for creating a wallet, transferring BTC to BTG (which was disabled until the mainnet launched), and a tab for checking your BTG balance with your private keys (which is when we input our private keys); and the second one was the one that looked broken and "hacked" (which happened just the evening before most of our coins were stolen, and is its current state). The first version of the site had to be the version that stored and transmitted the keys, because for us, that's the only time we submitted them. Changing the site later to look like it's been "hacked" is super suspect to me. Why would the hacker change *anything* after stealing the money? You're done dude; no need to make the site look *more* jenky. And you mean to tell me that the site owner didn't notice this for five days? Or that his site was jenky looking for all days since? And hasn't bothered to lock it down, or fix it? I call shenanigans.

For us, the timeline wouldn't work out. We submitted the keys on the 11th, when the site looked normal, and just after it was listed on the BTG official site and just before the launch of the mainnet. We waited for several days before just transferring it instead to a Coinomi wallet, since the date of last update (which was then 11/10/2017) hadn't changed. Even as recently as the 13th, when you clicked on the second tab to "transfer your BTC to BTG", you'd get a popup that said that this was disabled until the mainnet launch. It was clear that something might be wrong, but there was still little cause for alarm, because the site was still listed on the official BTG site, as far as we were concerned. This is when we started talking about moving the money (which we were actually planning to do).

On 11/14, I checked one last time in the evening, and that's when the site suddenly looked "hacked". But again, our keys shouldn't have been stored anywhere, right? So being "hacked" later shouldn't have affected us. And, if they were "hacked" before, why would a hacker then go out of their way, the day before their big heist, to make the site look horrible to dissuade others from losing their money?

And on 11/15, our money, both our BTC and our BTG, were gone (by about 1:30pm our time, MDT).

The timeline just doesn't work out.

What gets me the most, is this "Disclaimer" they put up on the BTGold official website, the very moment we all got our coins stolen, and they quietly removed the link from their site, all without an official announcement to save other users from the same pitfall, mysteriously. You'd think that they'd want to avoid other users getting scammed by putting out an urgent announcement, alongside the removal of the link. But nothing yet that I've seen. The lack of an official announcement plays nicely into the idea that they're very much okay with this sort of thing happening, or having happened, and have no intentions to get ahead of this like a normal group of developers would in light of this:


Putting the blame back on us. Which is fair: we share some blame. But in this case, I'm pretty sure they're the robbers telling us we should've kept our stuff locked up because it's 'a dangerous world out there'.

Moreover, for those here saying "why would they do this when they've got a coin with a billion dollar market cap?", etc:

I couldn't tell you. Greed? Because so far, we could pose that question against things we know that they already did. Like:

"Why would they need a premine when they've already got a coin with a billion dollar market cap?"

"Why did they let tens of thousands of miners premine for them, without ever saying that this is what was happening for an entire day after the launch of the official mainnet?" Hell, if it wasn't for a tweet from Suprnova, I wouldn't have known. I was sitting there watching my coins mature, and then disappear, and not a word from them about this. Not a notice on mine.pool.gold. Nothing. Others were equally surprised. I mined like $50 for those guys without knowing it. So why would they need to do that, if they've already got ... ?

... you get the point. I hope that the coin soon outgrows these devs, but the more I look into and research this, the more I genuinely believe that there's very little chance the btgold team isn't at *least* in collusion with the guy / folks that took our coin.

And bear in mind, I am not someone who's against these forks. I think they're a healthy and exciting part of the ecosystem, to be honest with you. A potential chance for us later comers to experience the same growth some of you folks did who joined up in 2011 or 2013. But now, with Bgold, I'm split. The better it does, the better I know the scammer, or scammers, are doing, too. I'm still excited about the idea, but it's hard to support them (current devs) after what very much appears to be something they're kind of a part of. I didn't want to believe it, but every reputable crypto person out there was saying that these guys were probably in this for the money; and though they got a bit more sophisticated since that accusation, it may very well have been true after all.

*Note: Crosspost from another thread day before yesterday; posted before I knew there was a dedicated thread about this*

Yup. For my first post, I was just about to sound off about this. Same exact thing.

I thought it was safe, because it had been (previously) listed in the "Ecosystem" at the official BTGold site, and was actually one of the first ones available. Otherwise, I would never have entered my private keys there, or the private keys to my girlfriend's wallet. She had about $2000 in BTC in her Jaxx wallet, and we were getting the BTG.

We entered our private keys into mybtgwallet.com ... again, thinking it was safe. I had told her to move her BTC asap, but I didn't push it super hard, because I couldn't imagine an official website linking to a scam right on their website. However, at the time, the "wallet" couldn't transfer the BTG, saying that the mainnet hadn't been released yet. Once it was released, we kept refreshing the site, only to see that it still hadn't been updated since the 10th, or two days before mainnet. Eventually, we just used Coinomi to transfer the BTG and she kept her money in Jaxx. The *only* other place we exposed the private keys would have been to the Coinomi wallet. And I don't think that they're sucking money out of accounts these days.

This evening, we check in, and guess what? All of her BTC gone (except for $7). Also, all of my BTG gone. They wiped us out. She called me crying; that was a lot of money for her. I feel super guilty, because I was the one that talked her into investing during the last dip. Of course, when I check the site now, it's changed. The other two options are gone, the certificate is expired, it links to a *different* github address (it used to be this guy: https://github.com/iancoleman/), and all the credits and other info are gone. And, of course, it's disappeared from the Ecosystem section of the official site without a word from the BTG devs.

There's absolutely *no way* it wasn't mybtgwallet.com. I can post the transaction later, on. But here's the real question: how involved were they with these folks? Because the person who's currently linked to mybtgwallet.com is, at the moment, a contributor to the BTG project on Github:

https://github.com/John-Dass?tab=stars

... and the "official" wallet, as well:

https://github.com/John-Dass?tab=repositories

Did we just get scammed by the official creators of Bitcoin Gold for our Bitcoin (and our Bitcoin Gold)?

I'm sick to my stomach, here.

^^^ This guy sucks ...

Looking through here, there were all kinds of warning signs as recently as two days ago about mybtgwallet.com. It was totally a super expensive lesson; but we got burned hard. Next time, I'll follow my instincts; I *knew* I should have moved the BTG and had *her* move her money, too. I was just lax about it, because the Bitcoin Gold developers were pushing the site on Twitter, on their site, etc. I thought: "why would they do that if it were a scam?"

Well, again, I'm actually kind of thinking now that it's not some "3rd party". I bet you if we followed the money and cross referenced at least where the BTG that was stolen went, it'd likely line up with at least some of the wallets they used for their little "premine" right after mainnet launched.

Yup. For my first post, I was just about to sound off about this. Same exact thing.

I thought it was safe, because it had been (previously) listed in the "Ecosystem" at the official BTGold site, and was actually one of the first ones available. Otherwise, I would never have entered my private keys there, or the private keys to my girlfriend's wallet. She had about $2000 in BTC in her Jaxx wallet, and we were getting the BTG.

We entered our private keys into mybtgwallet.com ... again, thinking it was safe. I had told her to move her BTC asap, but I didn't push it super hard, because I couldn't imagine an official website linking to a scam right on their website. However, at the time, the "wallet" couldn't transfer the BTG, saying that the mainnet hadn't been released yet. Once it was released, we kept refreshing the site, only to see that it still hadn't been updated since the 10th, or two days before mainnet. Eventually, we just used Coinomi to transfer the BTG and she kept her money in Jaxx. The *only* other place we exposed the private keys would have been to the Coinomi wallet. And I don't think that they're sucking money out of accounts these days.

This evening, we check in, and guess what? All of her BTC gone (except for $7). Also, all of my BTG gone. They wiped us out. She called me crying; that was a lot of money for her. I feel super guilty, because I was the one that talked her into investing during the last dip. Of course, when I check the site now, it's changed. The other two options are gone, the certificate is expired, it links to a *different* github address (it used to be this guy: https://github.com/iancoleman/), and all the credits and other info are gone. And, of course, it's disappeared from the Ecosystem section of the official site without a word from the BTG devs.

There's absolutely *no way* it wasn't mybtgwallet.com. I can post the transaction later, on. But here's the real question: how involved were they with these folks? Because the person who's currently linked to mybtgwallet.com is, at the moment, a contributor to the BTG project on Github:

https://github.com/John-Dass?tab=stars

... and the "official" wallet, as well:

https://github.com/John-Dass?tab=repositories

Did we just get scammed by the official creators of Bitcoin Gold for our Bitcoin (and our Bitcoin Gold)?

I'm sick to my stomach, here.