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I just checked Bitmit and it is now unblocked. I have access to Bitmit through Sonic once agains. yay But this is very interesting that you got listed in this spam/phishing blacklist. It very well could be related to that. As a buyer/trader for some months now I know this isn't a phishing site so I'm guerssing somebody maliciously added Bitmit to that list. Perhaps the same people that were DDoS attacking 2 months ago? Maybe it's Bitmits competition who is doing all these nefarious things? who knows? But what really bothers me is that this small ISP, Sonic.net who is supposed to have less restrictions that the big AT&T and Comcast blocked Bitmit because somebody *said* Bitmit was a phishing site, not because it actually *was* a phishing site That would mean that any website could end up on a phishing blacklist just because somebody doesn't like it, or doesn't like the owner, or had bad experience with another user of the site. It would be no different than adding this forum to a blacklist because I had a bad experience with one of it's users This alone should be embarrassing for Sonic the ISP. For me it's truly bizarre since Bitmit is one of the few places I have NOT been scammed. I've been scammed with Paypal and Moneypack. In fact just about any reversible transaction involving fiat money is subject to scam, so if they're going to be blocking anything, they should be blocking Paypal and Moneypack and even Ebay and banks for that matter That's what makes it so utterly weird. Bitmit is the one place I have NOT been scammed because it uses bitcoin and has escrow. And as long as there's escrow and feedback with users, it's good to go Every single trade I've done on Bitmit has gone smooth. In fact, I've found it safer than using Localbitcoins because now there are reports of people trading bitcoins in person with counterfeit cash, right here in San Francisco http://coinbits.com/2013/10/01/i-was-given-counterfeit-20-bills-in-exchange-for-bitcoins-at-a-localbitcoins-com-trade-seller-beware/I have not had this problem on Bitmit. In fact, I noticed the recent extra security measure where Bitmit now requires email verification when you pay for an item with your Bitmit wallet. I'm assuming this is to stop man in the middle attacks or some kind of unauthorized release of wallet funds. It's a slight inconvenience, but if it cuts down of fraud, so much the better and gets more of my respect Until I get some kind of proof otherwise, Bitmit is THE BEST site right now if you want to trade bitcoins. And this is the problem I have with Sonic. I do not think there ever was any proof Bitmit was a phishing site But yes, Sonic has now allowed access again to Bitmit The censorship is still annoying tho, especially from free speech activist Sonic.net
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Bitmit is apparently being blocked by Sonic.net. I couldn't finalize an order for three days and called support and they said it was reported as a phishing site. wtf?
anybody heard of this before?
btw, I still can't access bitmit
enjoy your internet censorship lol use tor to access bitmit. It's kind of ridiculous given that CEO Dane Jasper is a free internet crusader. Sonic is supposed to be less restrictive than the big ISP's like AT&T and Comcast. that's why I use them https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/Open_Internet_Principals
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apparently Sonic.net (isp) is blocking Bitmit.net. They said it was reported as a phishing site and I couldn't finalize an order for 3 days I'm trying to find out if other sonic users also can't access it. I could get to it through a proxy tho, but not directly. weird stuff http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28733662-Sonic-blocking-Bitmit.net-
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Bitmit is apparently being blocked by Sonic.net. I couldn't finalize an order for three days and called support and they said it was reported as a phishing site. wtf?
anybody heard of this before?
btw, I still can't access bitmit
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my issue with Ms Bitcoin has also been amicably resolved. thank you
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Ms Bitcoin did offer to fix this situation, at least refunding the bitcoin of the portion (275) that's frozen on the card. She said somebody else is recalling the moneypaks and she'll try to fix that end of it
I guess we'll see
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what I'm hoping for is if more people come forward that this happened to and actually call up moneypack related to their card getting frozen that they might get suspicious enough of the person doing the scam, not the victim
Because if it happens too many times with the same person disputing moneypacks, then they might go after that person instead of us victims
eventually they just might do it on their own with question like, how come this one person keeps getting moneypaks stolen again and again and it's involving different people around the country that are otherwise unconnected, except for this one person
In fact, I'm willing to bet that if they really went deep they'll find a relatively small number of people reporting a disproportionately large amount of moneypaks stolen
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I just got off the phone with Account Now card people and they transferred me to the Moneypak people because that's why the card was frozen
The moneypak that was sold to me by Ms Bitcoin for bitcoin was in fact disputed after I loaded the moneypak. They said it would take 10 days to investigate the dispute and they'll get back to me on friday
so now we have a 2nd confirmation that the moneypaks sold were in fact disputed later. It was not because of loading too may cards or out of state shenanigans..The moneypak was actually disputed..As in, somebody called them up and reported the moneypak as being not kosher
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i got 200 dollars out before it was frozen. the other 30 dollars was fees. fees at the atm, fees at the card company
that's another reason why it's not worth it, even if it did work
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I'm not going to get scammed. I will do cash trades on localbitcoins. I know that works
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yeah, that happened with the first card like 6 month ago which was actually a Greendot card. However they actually let me withdraw the rest of the funds I bought with moneypack at the time. Greendot just wouldn't let me load anymore moneypacks, so now it can't be used anymore.
I figured it would have something to do with the zip code that was entered. But in this case with Ms bitcoin it wasn't over a thousand nor multiple cards..Just one single card and 500
In some cases, you load money pack number at the greendot site for an outside card(account now), then you enter your own zip code. That's what i did here. But I'm getting a dispute page instead of my account now, but it's possible it could be just out of state
If that's true that it is now impossible to buy moneypacks unless it's bought locally, then moneypack is screwed anyway as a means for trading bitcoin
You might as well do cash trades, then go buy your own money pack locally if you really want that. As far as I'm concerned there isn't much reason to even use money packs unless it's for things to buy online, and if you want to do that, just get a gift card at Gyft...why bother with moneypack?
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heh...no the card was not stolen..it was applied for nice and proper...the moneypack was the problem, not the card. the card issuer, Account Now, froze the card after the money pack was loaded, then a week later some kind of dispute happened with the moneypack
In other words, it was not my fault the card was frozen. it was the person who sold me the moneypack for bitcoin, then made a claim against it a week later. I still have that conversion on skype to prove it
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the problem with moneypacks is it can take two weeks before you know if it's legit, even if the card loads perfect at first because whoever bought the card can make a claim a week later
It doesn't seem much different than paypal or any other charge back scheme
In this case it took a little over a week. i think 9 days. Also, I was on skype for 24 hours and Ms Bitcoin signed on a few minutes ago, didn't answer my question, and then signed off
And also, I lost 270 dollars, but I already cashed 200 of it so I lost a little more than half. Most of the trades for bitcoin I do is for cash, either in person or by mail. It turns out that cash is the safest way, from my experience
At least if you get ripped off in a person to person trade for cash, you'll know right away, but I've never been ripped off in a cash trade. Cash in mail is also faster than moneypack because that only takes 3 days and all you have to check for is counterfeit and escrow works fine
But moneypack can take 2 weeks and then you get a big surprise when your card is frozen. I suppose the only way you could make moneypacks safer is to have an escrow for it, but you'd have to hold an escrow for 2 weeks or longer to be sure nobody's going to come back and file claims on that moneypack
Lucky for me I don't do that many moneypack trades anymore. It would not surprise me if this becomes a big issue. It used to be that companies did moneypacks but those are gone now, and Koukan exchange isn't doing much these days either and that was about the last I saw that did NOT have problems with moneypacks. But now the government is tightening the noose, everything left over seems to be scammers
so it's ironic that the safest way is now cash, paper money. I've had less problems with paper money trades for bitcoin than any other method, and THAT seems to be getting more common. I see more listing for it now, and of course Wired magazine basically said that in a recent article
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sorry, no bestselller was a different moneypack seller on localbitcoins and that caused a previous card to be frozen. I just used that as an example of it becoming more common these days
as for Ms Bitcoin I traded with her last week via skype for 500 dollar money pack, no escrow was used, and it worked fine . It took two tries possibly because of technical browser issues, but it did load fine
Then I cashed 200 of that at ATM three days later and now it's frozen. The card is frozen. I'm out 300 dollars
The only other possibility in this case is if Account Now froze the card simply because I withdrew 200 dollars. That doesn't sound right, because when I log into the website now I can't see my account and instead a dispute page pops up
I traded with Ms Bitcoin after reading this thread. She had a good rep until few days ago, and that's the only reason why I did it, but I did it via Skype, no escrow. the card loaded fine. the problem came a week later
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I just had the same thing happen to me. I got a brand new Account Now reload card and bought one single 500 dollar money pack from Miss Bitcoin last week, and today the card is frozen 'unauthorized usage' that's the only thing I loaded so there's no other possibility don't buy from her until this situation is cleared up. This is the 3rd card that got frozen due to money pack. the first was from two buyers on localbitcoins, user 'bestseller' was apparently doing funky charge backs and other people have also gotten their cards frozen after doing trades with him The only reason why I went with Miss Bitcion is the good reviews she had on this thread up until now So no more money packs for me. From now on I only do cash in person trades. The only safe thing left as far as i'm concerned these problems with money packs are happening more and more compared to 6 months ago https://localbitcoins.com/forums/#!/fraud#i-got-scammed-by-bestseller
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