Small, additional note to my previous messages:

Let's assume that You decided to change Your fancy client seed to this:

mycoolclientseed

Good, now we have 100% provably fair shit!
But.

After setting initial client seed (Your own or random one choosen by sever or scammy one or whatever), Your first bet's client seed will look like:

mycoolclientseed

and after, in each bet - no matter if You use built in bot or no - it will look like this

mycoolclientseed-0001
mycoolclientseed-0002
mycoolclientseed-0003
mycoolclientseed-0004
mycoolclientseed-0005

etc.

Let's take a look at process of choosing server seed after each bet:

When You bet, You send POST req to https://primedice.com/api/bet.php. In answer, You'll get json-like structure that will be used by JavaScripts on site to show You results of Your action. Here's example:


Let's assume for a while that Stunna is incarnation of Satan and wants to steal some of Your bitcoins - or just give a little boost to his profit.

Magic Control System (I'll call it MCS later) may work on many conditions - for example it may "want" to keep 1 BTC profit daily, or to break any good martingale session, or anything. Let's assume simplest example - martingale breaker. Note that martingale is shit, so You don't even need MCS to get some money.

So I play martingale.
Beting 1 BTC - won. Cool.
Beting another 1 BTC - lost. Damn.
Beting 2 BTC - won. Yeah.
Beting 1 BTC - won. Good.
Beting 1 BTC - won. Perfect.

In this moment I have 4 BTC profit. Let's say that MCS doesn't like it.
It noticed already that I play martingale. It knows that I play on ""type":0" ("low"). I'm lazy, so I just keep clicking buttons or use built-in bot. It may know that I'll use "low" bet next time, just because I do it often.

Now, my last client_seed was mycoolclientseed-0015. It's 15th in row. Bot will know that most likely next client_seed will be mycoolclientseed-0016.

Now, note that server_seed is choosen by server after each bet:


Using this feature, server may decide about result of roll. So if it'll notice that I use martingale and type:0 it can lead me to big loss without any damn problem.

Ok, again, to control user's game we have to:

1. Know what client seed he will use.
2. Know what game type (high or low) he will use.
3. Know what he'll bet. (optionally)

And now quick take-a-look at PD:

1. We can predict user's client seed, because of [seed]-0001, [seed]-0002 etc. structure. To avoid it, client have to change his client seed after each roll. Ask Yourself a queston: who will change his client seed after each roll? It is easy for normal user? No. It's boring and unconfortable. Only well-scripted players who can write (or find and use) bots and auto-client-seed-changers will do it. It's rare case so we can forget it.
2. Most users will not randomly click "high/low" switch before each bet. Many high rollers does it, but still - it's easier to click one button, especially when You play two or six hours.
3. Most players uses martingale-like systems, flat rate or "near-flat-rate". If someone started to bet 0.120, 0.150, 0.100, 0.09, he'll propably not suddenly bet 0.00000001. He'll bet around that 0.1 - more or less, but near.

It's perfect environment for our magic system, isn't it? Want more? Here it is!

TADA! BUILT IN BOT!
Cool feature, I like it, but when You'll run it:

1. Client seed will be 100000000% predictable.
2. Bet amount will be 1000% predictable.
3. Hi/Low factor - fixed.

Money making machine.

I'm not telling You that Stunna does it. I like this guy, but if You'll ask me - I'll tell that I'm sure for 35-45% that such system exists here. Why?

1. Perfect environment. Everything would just work like a charm. As PrimeDice admin You have near 100% control - You decide how much and when You'll earn. You're 100% sure about Your earnings. You can even set some absurdal house edge like 0.5% to get more players and still get profit like on 10% edge or more. Even if 10% of players haves bots to auto-change client seeds and doesn't use bult in bot, 90% of losers will still work for You and that 10% doesn't really matter - let them play.
2. Undetectable. What do You want? Everything is provalby fair. You can change Your client seed whenever You want. 120 loses in row? Guy it's gamling - it's possible (of course it is, btw). Peoples can only troll around forum telling shit and pissing off forum members - they have no technical knowledge and will look like idiots, and doesn't even know how provably fair works, noone will take care - better! We'll have group of fans! "Yeah, fuck You troll, PD is provably fair and You're idiot - I feel good, because I feel smart and I know that PD is good".
3. Moneys. Who doesn't need it? More money is better in most cases.
4. You're not marked as scammer! Better! You're trusted owner of 100% provably fair casino. Good amount of clients, good trust, good gamblers, high rollers and shit.
5. Such system may do anything You want. 1 BTC profit daily? Ok. Maybe 3 BTC daily? Ok, why not. Break martingale session if client's balance is above 10 BTC and his base bet is 0.5 BTC if today's casino profit is lower than 2 BTC? Sure, why not. Find high roller, let him make (X * 2 + 1) BTC profit where X = initial deposit, generate loss streak when he'll start martingale with base bet (0.1 * X) and it's monday? Ok. It's just two, three lines in PHP.

It's just perfect!

Again, I'm not telling that Stunna does it. I just want to tell that:
a) It's 100% possible.
b) It's even TOO easy on PrimeDice - entire PD looks like just based on this conception.
c) It's really good idea if You're dice game owner.

Also note that even if such system exists, You can still play here and earn something - if system exists, it should aim at "general good" of house, not just to piss off single players - what I meant, we want to get 1 BTC profit daily, but we don't want to steal each penny from user's deposits - we'll steal it when we'll need it. They still have to win to keep playing - it's even good idea to force several big wins with anything above planned daily profit, or even code some "epic luck" scheme to keep talking about big wins on PD's thread from time to time...

Need example? For several bitcoins (just to pay my time) I can create clone of PD with all features and based on the same provably fair system - but with some nice addon. Programmable Magic Control System with badass admin panel where You can set conditions, daily profit and triggers. I'm not wasting words - I really can do it and it will work. Damn, You can even use it if You'll find some players - I don't care. Business is business.

Say good bye to perfect world full of good peoples. What the eyes doesn't see...

Anyone with minimum knowledge can check JS. There's propably a lot of guys who know JS. They can confirm fairness of generation system and provide proofs and "how-to-check-on-your-own" guide. As it's client side, any changes in JS will be noticed too.

- As secret seed is the same for each player, changing it on the fly is very bad idea - so not valid method for scam. We talk about manipulating client seed.
- Client currently can set his own client seed - but that feature isn't very highlighted. You have to click some shittly button that looks like "just image". Defaultly, client seed changing form is hidden (+ PHP-generated default client seed - did I mention my 35-45% bet for 'system'?).

Click "provably fair" button at bottom left and then click client seed.

"Default" client seed should be pre-generated by JavaScript after each roll, not by PHP like right now. When it's generated by JS on browser's side, we know that they don't manipulate it. Anyone can check what fills the form in that case.
Why PD doesn't use JS to pre-generate client seed? It's good idea, and not new. Simple to implement, provides a lot of trust and things - but was ignored. Why? Maybe due to lazy-ass developer, or maybe some system to "control" earnings of users who doesn't change client seed really exists. Anyway, if it exists, it can't work with built in beting bot (btw martingale is straight road to losing money so no cheating needed here as most users uses it as mini martingale bot).

Stunna is nice guy on public - so much love, so much understanding, so much problems solved, but business is business. I don't tell that 'control system' exists or no - it's very hard to determine and anyone who is 100% sure without access to source code is idiot - but I can tell that I'm 35-45% sure it's here. Because why not? Fair play? Bitch please, what the eyes doesn't see...

It would go down for minimum several days - without masked IP and DDoS shield it'll get DDoSed very quickly and new CF-like service will be needed. But BTCSTOCKZ propably thought about calling police or something. Anyway - "can't happen".

It was answer to BTCSTOCKZ's post. Looks like he tried to use "calling CF" as threat - it's not very good idea.

[edit again] Just noticed that it wasn't "full threat" but part of BIGGER EVIL PLAN OMG. But still - they will not share any info.

It works bit like "router", to mask orginal IP and let CF take care about DDoS attacks and shit.

edit: but "calling CF" would "help" with pissing of Stunna. If they'll refuse to support PD (they will not - PD doesn't break their rules by any way, and also it's always some source of money - customer is customer), orginal IP of PD will be visible to anyone. More effective DDoS attacks.

What Cloudflare will do? Shoot him? CF isn't hosting.

CPC is up again: http://bitchaos.com

No new features for now, but I'll consider every idea mentioned above (and possibly below) and code it when I'll find some time.

CPC should be up again within around one week.

CPC will be down for a while. Don't loose all Your money meanwhile - remember, Martingale is 3vi1!

I sent You message if You're still interested.

Below two examples from bot I made for myself (works on PD) to play from console and bet faster.





It can run martingale, labouchere, d'alembert, oscar's grind and can even make cashout when needed. Of course not everyone likes playing on console so I can make some GUI.

By the way, I wanted to make bot like one above, but web-based, available for anyone who wants to use it (maybe for some micro fee) and release it on Chaos Prediction, with simple GUI and intergated calculations. Not sure if it's good idea, I can receive a lot of PMs after, like "wtf dude I lost on martingale, just after 99999 rolls! WHY?!".

BTW, deepceleron, thanks for using calculator!

So much love and hippies here.

Of course. (it's not sarcasm)

There's some beting systems that "changes" (simplified definition) win chances, but only for short run, and finally You'll end up with pure randomness anyway - but mixing systems, changing them during gameplay, testing it, researching and such is very funny. For example when I play with 0.1 bankroll, I like to make it 0.15 or so with Oscar's progression, then bet for a while without any system, run Labouchere with 5% target after, then some small, risky Martingale et cetera - gambling is fun if You assume that Your bankroll is "payment" made for game, and winnings are just optonal. If someone gambles only for profit - it's not way to go. Of course we are all only humans, sometimes even I "want to win", falling into addiction or just blinding myself - no shame here, that's part of gambling too.
By the way, are Your nick is related to Wharton's art?

Yes, but if someone hacks Your service provider, it isn't Your fault, so more pain in ass and You cannot avoid it on Your own (unless You'll run pentest on Your provider and help him with hardening).

Pros:
1. If You need something cheap, VPS is it.
2. Perfect for hosting small to medium projects.
3. If You are skilled enough, You can use VPS just like "smaller" dedicated server without noticing big difference in many cases - just some more fun and effort.
4. You can mine LTC on it if You want (can cover around 30% hosting cost, with strongly niced miner You won't even notice any "lag").
5. Perfect for development and testing purposes.
6. It can be Your swiss-knife if You know what You want to do with it.

Cons:
1. In most cases, dedicated servers haves better performance for lower price (assuming that You want to achieve similar results on dedic).
2. Hardware problems - most VPS providers will not give You direct access to hardware.
3. In some countries, provider can browse Your private data legally (and share funny news with police).
4. Some providers will beat You if You'll use 100% CPU or so.
5. In most cases (not all), VPS isn't very good to handle big traffic.
6. It's fun to have Your own "dedic" in toilet!

In fact martingale is the worst beting system for long run - usually works well for short ones (still with some risk, especially with too high inital bet), but will almost always rape Your ass totally if You'll try to rely on it for longer time. Non-progression based systems, or at least "weaker" progression is advised.

BitcoinTicket, if You aren't retardet scammer (or Insanity with graphic design skills):

1) Rebuild Your "really random and generated by the script" system,
2) release informations about HOW it pick numbers,
3) make sure that it's provably fair, for example based on incoming tx id,
4) no, we will NOT "ask Your programer how its works lol",
5) make rules clear (not "almost like clear").

If site will stay in current form, sorry, but You just wasted Your time and You're will be just yet another user "for making fun on him only".

edit: it isn't jeer - really, invest some time (and money if needed) and make it like mentioned above - idea isn't very bad (just review again win chances and make it bit better for users) and may lead to some profit.

markjamrobin Your posts are bit too dusty - please stop spamming for pennies, make Your post at least quite useful.

We can end main thread here - we know everything about this site now.
Now it's time for some jokes, discussions, Insanity-styled comments and such.