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Hi,
For Asic Products, the list you are putting there is just their re sellers located. So actually if you are out of the coverage of re sellers, you can directly order from them actually and they shipped everywhere in the world. And as earlier discussion with some others member, as I know in Singapore cost for electricity is estimated around USD 0.19 kWh, in SGD is 0.25 kWh if I am not wrong. If you are gonna really wanna get into it, I will recommend to build it in Malaysia for your mining rig. If you are looking for Malaysia Hosting Services, maybe you can look for me for further discussion because I am located in Malaysia and doing hosting services here in KL.
Cheers Kimi
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Hi, I think I should closed this threat now. Maybe posted here and many people see that it is on low price. And also I don't wanna take the risk anymore for complicated works anyway. It is my mistake too for never look on sellers feedback before taking the bid.
Anyway, thanks for the earlier suggestion and really appreciate it.
Cheers Kimi
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If the seller can't prove delivery of the item then you can charge back 100% of what you paid. You just launch a dispute with paypal and they'll sort it out. If for some reason Paypal won't refund your money, your bank will.
Hi Mashed, Ok, and thank you very much for your clear explanation. So i will try to communicate with the seller 1st if I really won the bid, because I need to pay more than what I bidding for the shipping fees because I am outside USA. So if I really didn't got my things out, maybe only the shipping fees because it will not included in the bidding price. So maybe I try to liaise with the seller. Anyway, thank you so much for your explanation that I can launch a dispute cases with paypal and ebay in case my items not arrive or not as description. Cheers Kimi
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You don't need an escrow.. If you pay with Paypal and the seller doesn't send you the item, you can do a chargeback.
Just make sure that the item that you've paid for is in the package before you sign for the delivery.
Hi, Thanks for your suggestion because I yet to do any charge back before so I am a little bit confused about it. And as I know, I am paypal verified, so I can only get back MYR 750, approximately USD 200 only if the seller not sending me an items. So I am just worried about that, does the bank or paypal asking many question that why I try to charge back the item that I already paid for? I just worried about complicated works later. Appreciate your suggestion. Cheers Kimi
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Hi Everyone, I need you guys here that have some experience with Ebay to give me some suggestion regarding purchasing or bidding this hardware. I am bidding below link hardware, but the sellers does not have a good feedback on selling and once paid but without any replying. 6 Hours to go for me to take it down, shall I take an escrow service instead of paying him directly. And it is totally low market price for this hardware, and I am worry that seller not gonna sent me when I paid. Kindly please advise. http://www.ebay.com.my/itm/190897458012?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1426.l2649#ht_500wt_949Cheers. Kimi
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any malaysian want to host for singapore-based miners?
Hi Tarui, I am handling hosting services if you see my posting. I am vetted under DZ (Dylesexic Zombei) via BTCrow, under the 4th. Continent as Asia Represents. So please contact Dylesexic Zombei if you interested to getting hosting service in Malaysia. This is to gained respect from our group and I should respect our group procedures. So please contact him for more information and I can't directly grab you here. Cheers Kimi
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Hi, For someone who curious where I live on or need more information regarding Malaysia Electicity Charges, you can refer below for Government Subsidy and the appliances as your home usage! http://www.tnb.com.my/residential/discounts-rebates-and-offers.htmlhttp://www.tnb.com.my/residential/energy-savings-at-home/usage-cost-of-electrical-appliances-at-home.htmlThese above are the standard residential rates! It is not under commercial rates and yet to deducted with hardware energy savers and some extra work out! I have experience with commercial usage to deduct almost 200% of electrical cost in a shop from almost MYR 900 usage to nearly MYR300++ usage per month! So it is depends on how you work it out only when you want to fully attached to a business! Especially nothing is impossible in Malaysia, whether you have a heart to work it out or not! Just for your reference! Cheers
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some things people tend to neglect are logistcs costs/risks and customs risks (outbound and inbound).
it may be virtually free in kuwait or venezula or malaysia etc... but what will it cost to get your rig/machine there and will it get stuck in customs?
these are things that i believe need to be factored into any decision...
Well is it also that cheap if you use a lot of power (like 1-2 GWH)? And is the grid able to deliver stable this amount of elec? (most installation do not support such an high elec drain) BTW: Malaysia is not cheap at all.... Hi, I don't know what makes u say btw Malaysia is not cheap at all! Please refer below:- http://www.tnb.com.my/residential/pricing-and-tariff/tariff-rates.htmlThis is the normal standard rates for a residential usage in Malaysia! I think indeed commercial rates will have higher charges! So as compare to other countries like above quote saids like Hawaii, Maui, they're paying almost 50 cents per kWh, so it is still consider cheap in Malaysia with standard rates! Note: This rates does not include hardware energy savers and some back door running! So it is still considered cheap with standard rate comparison with other countries! Cheers
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Wow, I'm in singapore which have the one of the most electricity cost, $0.25/kW
Hi mate, indeed Singapore is very high rate of electricity cost! Interested to join me in Malaysia here, very cost effective and u also know lah how good our Malaysia - Singapore Custom, kopi money easy settle already to transfer mining rig to Malaysia! Cheers Haha. Hmm.. I dont think i want to move it due to the huge rig and a already setup airconditioning. Still of some profit. Want to watch the miner mining.  Yeah and it is nice to hear that! But anyway if on a long run, IMO it is better way to shift it to Malaysia although a bit more complicated work to do! You also don't want your hard earned money and most of the money contribute to the electricity, isn't it? Sing Dollar 0.25 kWh is almost MYR of 0.625, almost can get it by 6 times in Malaysia! So IMO long run is better to set it up in Malaysia! I don't think you will mind only to see how it mine, the importance is how your wallet growth with full of coins, am I correct? Lol! Just a suggestion and could round me up if you interested, so we can meet up and share some experience! Cheers 25cents is in sing dollars so that means 19.7 US cents firesky where in malaysia are u located? Hi, I am located in KL and I don't think it make a difference at the West Malaysia because I think there are no difference between states in electrical charges! Cheers Kimi
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thanks to everyone. I have decided to just invest in the coin and not worry about mining. it seems to be falling now so I might wait a few weeks. hopefully i can pick it up at $100/each.
Investing can be fun! Have you thought about trading in altcoins? I have been and it's kept me entertained seeing the prices go up  I use Vircurex and have this Referral Code that gives you 10% off fees + extras if you want to give it a go: Referral Code: 534-2017More info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=287997.0Hi, As current volatility in bitcoin market and exchanges, it is actually not a good time to trade in bitcoin! Due to the high charges as compared to forex market or commodities, maybe another 5 times of current daily trading volumes only will view as a profitable chances to jump in! Just for reference! Cheers
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Hi, Noted. Just gotten bid out twice. Maybe try again when near to end.  Cheers
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Hi, Amount of Bitcoin, if including FedEx International Priority? Through Escrow?
Cheers
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What a fantastic community; all these guys jumping in to help My advice/opinion would be to buy btc mainly; its been sideways for a while it's about time to have a good sustained rally but diversification is best; so maybe use 10k to buy some mining equipment from one of the best producers, avalon or asicminer, and the rest just purchase btc oh and this should be in the 'mining support' section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=40.0Can you justify recommending to order either avalon or asicminer hardware at this time? What would be the time to ROI for either hardware even if received today? Test your idea here: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/both those companies showed they can make hardware faster than other companies no one knows the btc price so it's always a gamble with ROI no one talks about a damn timeframe when they mention ROI. it's like everyone expects to get their month back in 6 months; that's ridiculous. If you only plan to fuck with btc for 6 months, you don't get much respect from the veterans here. Hi Man, I love your quotes! And I love what you can see in the future! Most people here seems not really love in bitcoin, what they are thinking is just a quick getting rich schemes in a very short time! If so many experts that find ROI is so difficult to archieves, why they are still so donk to invest so much money to build farm or data centre? Invest in a business and hoping 6 months to ROI, it's got to be kidding! That's call quick get rich schemes or ponzi, not investment in a long term business! Cheers!
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Hi, Just signup. username: fivesky55
Tq
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Remember: "Prediction is difficult, especially about the future". 1.5 per month is based on real data of the last 30 days of mining, not based on assumptions and estimations, so no I am not smoking.
real data based on the last 30 days of mining I can tell you for a FACT that each be makes .002 per day Hi, I support this fact! And I don't think seller are honest to tell the FACT though. As the seller are not telling potential buyer that 1.5 BTC was a last month mining results, what I can see the statement are BASED ON CURRENT DIFFICULTIES. Cheers.
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Hey folks.
I understand that the first people to get the best miners can make a lot of profit, but as more competition comes on to the market, obviously difficulty goes up and the hardware depreciates/captures a smaller piece of the pie. On the flipside, theres probably not many average bitcoin loving joes who bother to mine, and even less who have the required capital to buy the best miners.
Therefore is it worth it to just buy the best and take a gamble that no better miners will be released?
The mining equipment market is very saturated with pre-orders at the moment, and the prices today are virtually guaranteed not to make a positive RoI in comparision to buying and holding BTC. I'd suggest you buy BTC for now and watch the mining equipment manufacturers for the next 4-6 months and see which ones excel and which ones fall to the wayside. Buying equipment at this moment in time means you are gambling that you can get it fast enough to benefit you. The downside to this is all of the other people who have invested as much or more than you that have been happily mining away from the last several weeks to several months or will soon be happily mining away on their delivered pre-orders. Some of the 'potential' miners that may or may not become available in the future are down under $10/GH. In 6 months time, when this insane growth has tapered off and only something like quantum computing could cause a repeat, would be the time to evaluate what is available and whether the cost vs return is more worthwhile than holding the BTC you invested in. The current trending indicates you may need $1-3/GH(or less) to be profitable. Do not buy now is the best advice to follow. Hi, Maybe your type on investment are in more conservatives type! If for myself with 40k available to invest and I can take the risk, why don't I invest in multiple ways instead of only a way to success! What you suggest is buy now and wait for another 4-6 months only making decision to jump in mining or not? So after 4-6 months, will all the manufacturer stop saturated with pre order machine? So if it is the result going on same, so there is no point to jump in anymore by that time because you have late for another 4-6 months! Another point, we can't envy someone to start earlier mining, we can only blame ourself why we are so late to know the market of Bitcoin! So the earlier miner gets all mining gear earlier on pre order? They are still the same just keep upgrading the machinery instead of only waiting the pre order to arrive! I only can says, if I gonna invest in this time, I will not only purchase in pre order and wait them to arrive, I will go 2 way by purchase pre order and current shipping machinery to start building a farm if I can see a good market future in Bitcoin! Remember, TIME is the most important in the world that money can't buy and of course it won't wait you! Waiting is just let the chances slips away from you! When you only use basic calculation instead of taking some risk or gamble, you are not the only 1 in the world who can use basic calculation for ROI! If there is a risk, there are hidden opportunities! No offense, just my silly point of view! Cheers!
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10 USB Block Erupter (3.3 GH/s) for 1.99 BTC!

https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/56682-10-usb-block-erupter-3-3-gh-sEach ASIC USB miner, manufactured by ASICMiner, will allow you to mine Bitcoins at a rate of 333MH/s per device with a power usage of 2.5WA. At current difficulty level (Sep 2013), the pack of 10 keys at 3330 MH/s mines about 1.5 bitcoins per month. I am selling these erupters from various discounts I have with USB Block Erupters resellers. The devices are new and ship within 2 days after I receive payment. 1.5 Bitcoins per month revenue? What are you smoking? At 86933017.7712 current difficulty they only make .06BTC per month BUYER BEWARE!Agree that. I just started 24 last week, and I think even myself can't achieves the result of 1.5 btc by the end of month! Maybe just near there only! Thanks for alerting newbie who are thinking to join mining! Cheers
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Hi Kimi,
Well, that's what we're offering as an intro rate, we may not be able to hold these low rates for too long. These gentleman have some of the world's cheapest power/internet but their prices may rise in the near or long term.
You'd have to check your pricing to see if you can afford this 2.5% hosting fee on your end. It could be you may not be able to hit that low of a percentage.
The actual split in my Matchmaking service is either:
A) 2% to the host, 0.5% to me as the Matchmaking service when the miner host doesn't want to deal with either: having their ID known, or having to deal with paperwork/customer service/advertising/marketing.
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B) A 0.25 BTC matchmaking fee after a successful match is made, paid one time by the Buyer looking for hosting with you keeping the 2.5% if you handle the further paperwork/customer service/advertising/marketing.
Let me know if you're still interested in the vetting process & I'll send you further instructions. Your ID will be held in the strictest confidence & will only be released to legal authorities with proper authority if a crime has been committed. You only have to do this once with a vetting service from a trusted forum member such as an Escrow Agent or an Escrow Affiliate (via BTCrow), such as myself, & you'll be able to point back on it whenever you sell something or offer services on this forum.
If you're serious about hosting expensive equipment such as Cointerra IVs you may want to think about some sort of BTC Good Behavior Bond with a proper Escrow Agent such as dabs or John K.. That could be the only way buyers may trust you with hardware that expensive.
Aloha! DZ
Hi DZ, Your utmost understanding is much appreciated! Indeed 2.5% are really low to cope out everything for a long run! As DZ know that I am still a newbie and also new to this business, I can treat this as a promote period for myself since I have the utilities ready by now! The only way with this low percentage I can survive is a bigger volume to decrease my fixed cost ratio! As DZ mentioned, we are trying to run an intro rate, and I can treat as an intro rate for myself too to show my sincere that I am ready to get attached with it! Maybe I should try to handle or cope up with this first before we are turning to more expensive mining gear and I believe that 1 day we can handle more expensive mining gear instead of approach to another Escrow Services or Vetting Services if we as host could established good services and performance! Yes, please proceed and your further instructions is much appreciated! Thank you very much and Have a Nice Day! Cheers
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Hi, IMO, let's get back to some true stories before we hop in either trying to mine or buying bitcoin as an investment! Firstly, Bitcoin price is hovering around USD 130 per pieces by now! Since I have noted that you have written a post saying how many kWh suggestions if BItcoin hovering around USD 100? So if you thinking the price will only about there, what makes you a decision of only buying instead of mining it all by yourself? You are buying at USD 130 when you think the price will go at USD 100 only, it only brings mean that you are burning money slowly and not sort of investing!
Secondly, with a 40k of investment, since we called it investment and it should be a long term instead of touch and go! Yes indeed mining difficulty is keep rising and miner gets not that fast and not that much anymore! But 1 fact is the machine that you invest in are yet to stop and it is still continue generating a small income to you although not that much anymore!
Third and last, investing using only buying instead of mining only give you one way instead of multiple chances to reach your target! Lets get back some basic decision making! What makes you a strength in your heart to buy Bitcoin? Of course you see the market potential in Bitcoin makes you to purchase it and keep as investment! So if this makes you to do a decision to buy, then why don't you let it keep generating instead of only that amount in your wallet? Isn't it mining is more multiple way and buying is only a one way ticket?
Just in my opinion and I am not a financial advisor!
Cheers
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Hi Kimi,
You sound sincere so I'll give you a heads up as a newbie: no one will trust an expensive miner to be hosted by a stranger...unless that stranger has been vetted by one of the limited number of busy Escrow Agents here, or by an Escrow Affiliate like myself, who does Group Buy Escrow Coordinator Services and Miner Host Matchmaking and vetting.
I offer this vetting service of miner hosts & Group Buy Coordinators for free to the Group Buys forum, as a community service. For our miner hosting we charge a flat 2.5% Hosting/Management fee, the world's lowest. Please let me know if you're interested as you're unfortunately not going to make any headway without being vetted. In my index I currently have miner host coverage in multiple US states, Europe, and the Middle East depending on where a customer is located. If you are interested in joining this international mesh network of ultra low costs miner hosts, you'd be my first miner host in my index in Asia & you'd have first crack at any ASIC miners hosted in Asia if someone approaches me as a potential client.
Please PM me if you'd like more details or please see post 6 of my Services page. P.S. Your post is actually a better fit in the Services or Group Buys forum.
Thanks! DZ
Hi DZ, I am so much appreciated your offer as a newbie here and indeed I am full of sincere because I can see how great potential in this Bitcoin Business and Bitcoin Growth! I admit then I am still a newbie here, so I won't get any trust from any party with such expensive machinery to host at some strangers! I am quite interested too in Escrow Service, but unfortunately I am still new to use type of Escrow services! Also to show my sincere and truth I attached in this business, I even offer that I can fly to oversea and ready to meet my clients to liaise and get more trust for our future cooperation! 2.5% is indeed the world lowest service fees that I have heard and I am excited to join your group as Asia Hosting Group Vetting Service! Appreciate if you could let me know more details as ur first vetting group in Asia as hosting services and also information on Group Buy Escrow Services too! This is really a valuable information to me to me for my future expansion on this business because of my geographical location and also most important of all that I can benefit of save cost in my country! Hope to hear from you soon. Cheers Kimi
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