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It's not really clear what you're talking about, so I'll try to sum it up:
Draglet is a provider of white-label bitcoin exchanges.
1. you agreed to pay $53K to draglet for 16 months of service
2. you offered to pay $4K per month of service instead
3. did draglet actually agree to that offer?
4. launch of your exchange was scheduled for 30 days before launch? I don't understand.
5. you did a prepayment of $1100
6. draglet delivered an install script?
7. you now want to pay the first $4K after launch of your exchange?
8. draglet asks for payment of $xxx right now?
As far as I can tell, this looks more like a misunderstanding of terms on either your side or draglet's, or both.
I happen to know the people behind draglet and I'd be surprised if they tried to scam you for a few thousand $.
They're trying to establish themselves as a service provider with an ongoing income stream so they have almost nothing to gain from one-off scams for a few bucks.
Hello there, my name is Ben, I am co-founder and Sales Director of draglet GmbH. First of all, thanks for your kind words qwk and the reflective reaction of the community. I would like to give the perspective from draglets side. expert-lister came to us and inquired about white label services. I think we exchanged between 20 and 30 mails, even our CEO Ganesh Jung took over and was leading the conversation in the meantime. Over the course of emails, expert-lister continuously demanded that he wants to have a draglet exchange with modifications worth 50-60k Euros. He only offers to pay months after the Go Live. He also promised to give us a profit share of what is being traded on the platform. We kept on telling expert-lister that it is not possible for us to invest months of ressource allocation upfront without having any securities at all. I think there were more than 3 emails that clearly stated our approach to cooperation and that we cannot support the business proposal of expert-lister because it does facilitate a huge risk on our side. Our proposal was the usual: Setting up a first installation that contains customizations such as front end, back end modules as well as custom currencies implemented and typical deployment procedures to set the exchange live on a domain. We even gave him a huge 50% off because our inititial due dilligence was pretty promising (just to find out the london business provided was founded some days ago, as well as the lucrative business address only contained a very minimum of monetary commitment). To install a testing exchange is a first great step to talk about the customizations that should be implemented in the platform. This was the offer that we always gave to expert-lister: to start with a testing installation for 1k Euro, then work towards realizing the desired modules step by step. Also, cooperations in the white label business are built over time and trust. Setting up good exchanges is a process of at least some months, operator and white label provider need to know each other and to learn to "co-operate". Out of a sudden, expert-lister accepted our offer by conducting the initial payment for the testing installation. We happily invested some time and set up his installation and talked about the next steps. expert-lister then furiously sent Emails that we tried to scam him and registered a website certificate under btcbear.com and tried to scam him his company name (I don't know what exactly made him think this). We should instantly refund him the money he sent to us, because he thought he will get the exchange with the 50-60k Euro modifications all set and live. If not, he would engage Interpol and German Police. I told him that unfortunately we cannot give refunds for platforms. The payment he provided merely was enough to cover our expenses as we gave such a huge % off. expert-lister kept showing his disapproval by giving quotes like "i dont need your exchange script that can be installed with some clicks". Maybe this shows the huge contrast of attitudes between both parties, as we do not "install some script with a few clicks". We have highest standards to our software and systems. Getting the exchange expert-lister desired for the price he is willing to pay might give him a BitcoinExchangeScript.exe on a Windows 95 Server, but not a product of our quality range. Maybe, an important requirement for a white label cooperation is to be able to understand, establish and sustain business relationships and this cooperation is not feasible. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/irans-first-bitcoin-exchange-opens-effort-exploit-huge-untapped-market-1517300 is a fitting and actual reference. Edit: Removed clear name and added current article. |
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users are allowed to crreate orders that are actually not covered by current account balance Posting fake walls?   Don't get me wrong, but if blocking analytics creates an exceptional state, it's anything else than assuring. Hey, of course, posting fake walls is not possible. Orders that are not covered by account balance are in a paused state, not being shown in the orderbook for obvious reasons. I will engage this technical issue with our techies, thanks for reporting. |
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Hey, I have some coin related domains I want to get rid of. Maybe there is something that suits your purposes: Mining related domainsmining-pool.org mining-pool.net These mining domains can be used for a variety of cryptocurrency mining pools by simply generating subdomains - for example doge.mining-pool.org (or .net) , which would give your mining pool a definite SEO advantage. Exchange related domainscoin-exchange.net coin-exchange.org Gambling/faucet related domains:coin-game.net free-coins.net win-coins.com coin-gambling.com Others:bitcoin-fund.com Can be used to create a Bitcoin related fund. pure-coins.com taint-analysis.com Those two domains might be used for taint analysis, pure-coins might also be used for operating an exchange site. what-is-btc.com whats-bitcoin.com Might be used for informative sites for Bitcoin. coin-monitor.com coin-analysis.com coinobserver.com Great domain for starting a Bitcoin, or coinspecific newssite. coin-guard.com whatever might be done with this  If you are interested in any domain, please send me a message with the desired domain and your bid. We will then surely find someone that will do the escrow. |
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The Bitcoinference in Amsterdam was once again a great conference and had everything that you wish to have:
- great location and atmosphere
- high level of expertise and talks
- great community and networking events after the conference.
Thanks to Bas, Kai and Arthur for organizing the conference!
Will definitely attend the next ones.
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I would also like to know what "white label" means and who "officially" determines such a qualification? "White label" means that one party provides the software and server-side processing, while another provides the financing, marketing, and branding, takes all the risks and assumes all the liabilities. Nope, in terms of draglet, we have a pricing that allows to evenly distribute the risks between both parties. By the way, draglet could already apply for the first software patent. I guess this and the fact that we are present at major bitcoin conferences around the world makes us a reliable choice besides bex and buttercoin. And yeah, our exchange software has been online since over 9 months now. |
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Hey,
I know this topic has not been discussed for a while, still I want to explain something.
The owners of businesses that run the white label exchange business are honest and real - you can meet them at Bitcoin conferences around the world (this is at least the case for Bex.io and Buttercoin).
In my eyes the white label cooperation is a viable and legit undertaking, where both parties can focus on their actual strengths,
By the way: We are also real and can be met at conferences - draglet GmbH, a corporate based in Munich, Germany. We offer our unique exchange software as white label solution. Besides customizing the exchange software according to your needs (logo, content, CI, adapting the software according to your business case, continous patching and updating of software) we host your exchange, give you access to back end admin interfaces to administrate the exchange and guarantee availability.
Our software features Optimistic Fund Locking (users are allowed to crreate orders that are actually not covered by current account balance) and a wallet with encrypted user access and multisignature cold storage. The solid order matcher was already tested for 9 months by thousands of users and now is one of the products that draglet are offering as part of our white label exchange. You can get more information about our software and services at draglet.com - feel free to give our exchange showcase a try.
Greetz,
Ben
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Hello there,
I dont know if this is still a recent issue. Nevertheless: we, draglet, are a company based in Munich, Germany, and also offer our unique exchange software as white label solution. Besides customizing the exchange software according to your needs (logo, content, CI, adapting the software according to your business case, continous patching and updating of software) we host your exchange and guarantee availability.
Our software features Optimistic Fund Locking (users are allowed to crreate orders that are actually not covered by current account balance) and a wallet with encrypted user access and multisignature cold storage. The solid order matcher was already tested for 9 months by thousands of users and now is one of the products that draglet are offering as part of our white label exchange. You can get more information about our software and services at draglet.com - feel free to give our exchange showcase a try.
Greetz,
Ben
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Hello there,
we, draglet, are a company based in Munich, Germany, and also offer our unique exchange software as white label solution.
Our software features Optimistic Fund Locking (users are allowed to crreate orders that are actually not covered by current account balance) and a wallet with encrypted user access and multisignature cold storage. The solid order matcher was already tested for 9 months by thousands of users and now is one of the products that draglet are offering as part of our white label exchange. You can get more information about our software and services at draglet.com - feel free to give our exchange showcase a try.
Greetz,
Ben
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Bfl josh is hitting this conference ... again. like in the past conferences i will be tempted to ask him the "dance little monkeys, dance" question.
anyway, anybody already in hong kong and wants to drink a beer and mentally prepare for the conference? we (some german guys) will meet at monday evening (one day before conference starts) and are going to meet somewhere (either near airport or in the inner city, tsim tsa shui or however it is called) and enjoy the cold beverage that is declared as basic food by law (at least where we come from).
if you guys want to hook up and join the fun, send me a message or hit me on linked in (benjamin bommhardt), so we can connect.
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Hello there,
we will meet up at about 20:30 Vienna time in a bar near Karlsplatz to drink a beer and talk about the upcoming event. If you want to join is, hit me on linkedin (Benjamin Bommhardt) - you are welcome!
Best regards,
Ben
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I've read mostly of those brock pierce accusations, heard him talk today on the investors panel in amsterdam and I can say: I am fine with him and his role in the Bitcoin community.
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Hey Bas,
I have been to the first bitcoinference that you organized - which was a great event. Would love to attend the second one aswell.
Best regards,
Ben
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According to the schedule there is an "International Affiliate Summit (By Invitation Only)" event Thursday from 9 AM - 6 PM. The actual conference starts at 6 PM.
Does anyone know what the requirements / purpose this event is for?
I was asking myself the same. Did you get any information about it? |
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Is my english that bad? |
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Hello there, we published a small presentation about our services at https://www.draglet.com/en/services . Also, draglet (represented by me) will be attending following events: - Bitcoin Meetup in Frankfurt
- Bitcoinference in Amsterdam
- Inside Bitcoins in New York
- Bitcoin Expo 2014 in Toronto
This could be a great opportunity to get in touch, am looking forward to meeting you. |
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Hello there,
will be on the Bitcoin Expo 2014 in Toronto and looking forward to it!
Inside Bitcoin in New York is just some days before Toronto, for an european like me a great opportunity to visit both events with one transcontinental flight.
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Hello there!
Our Bitcoin exchange game ended in round 1 last week and started today in the second round!
A few winners of the real Bitcoin prizes already withdrawed their won BTC - the winner cashed in about 160€ in real BTC for the first place.
Some Statistics:
Traded BTC: 944.496
Participants: 1.182
Place 1 could increase his starting capital by about 700%
The second round now offers you to join the fun and start heads up with the other participants. You will have three month to trade yourself in the top 100. The best 100 participants will receive real Bitcoin prizes at the end of the second round.
By the way: we have implemented a wallet on draglet.com, where your prizes will be transfered on. This might be an opportunity to store Bitcoin online in a safe environment.
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Hello there, we worked with Gregor and he did a great job designing our logo. Furthermore, he was able to deliver very nice ideas and created the logo with a convenient, friendly and professional way. Gonna work with him as much as possible |
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Hello there,
how came the specs changed from 90.000 to 800.000 maximum amount?
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