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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Palm Beach Confidential Subscription (disscusion + leaks + access + bot & more) on: August 09, 2018, 04:21:56 PM
Just an update to my previous post after 7 months or so – PBC & Stansberry both working well. Thanks again.
2  Economy / Services / Re: Offering Cindicator (CND) Trader Lifetime Access! on: July 09, 2018, 03:25:42 PM
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3  Economy / Services / Offering Cindicator (CND) Trader Lifetime Access! on: July 07, 2018, 11:49:55 AM
Hey all,

I'm offering access to the CND Trader platform that gives out signals with probabilities of success. The platform is geared towards institutional and professional traders for making reliable and high probability for success trades Cheesy. The platform costs roughly $10-20k, but I am offering it for $650 for lifetime access. When the token was worth 30 cents each, the platform cost was $60,000  Shocked . Lifetime access entitles you to a guarantee of 8 months of service (if there are any issues during this period, you will get a pro-rated refund in USD), but will run for 1-2 years or more Smiley I am a long standing member of bitcointalk.org since 2013, so trust and quality is assured. If you would like a record of its calls over the last several months, I can provide that as well. You will get a free upgrade to CND Expert when/if that occurs as well.

If interested, please send payment equivalent to $650 to either:
CND address: 0x057906c86c75910e86155bfcffca50aedd469655
ETH Address: 0xc7485e237b08f36f10c0efac16571c7d75f1778a
BTC Address: 1HrdkYGqShKitDuwCqhyXNJFecJPPkTiYX

& DM me your TXID. I usually respond within 1-4 hours EST time zone.



"What is Cindicator bot?

From Palm Beach Confidential:


Cindicator gathers data by polling 30,000 analysts through its Android app. These analysts answer questions about future events. (The analysts are paid proportionally from a reward fund based on the accuracy of their forecasts. The more accurate their predictions, the more they are paid.) Cindicator then aggregates the polling data and runs it through the AI component, which sends trading signals to Cindicator token holders.

The more tokens you own, the more (and better) information you receive. To date, Cindicator has been correct 72.4% of the time across all of its predictions (according to its published forward test results). As I’ll show you below, certain data packages have done even better than that.

To access Cindicator’s data, you have to either spend (i.e., send tokens to Cindicator) or “stake” a certain amount of coins. Let’s focus on staking for now because that’s my recommended way to access Cindicator’s predictions. When you stake Cindicator tokens, you put them into a wallet that proves your ownership. So long as the coins stay in the wallet, you continue to receive trading signals.

Cindicator offers four tiers for data access. They require as little as 5,000 tokens for the beginner package and as much as 1 million tokens for their “Cryptometer” Bot 2.0 package. (Trading bots automatically execute trades based on preset algorithms, indicators, or parameters.)(edited)
Its weekly bitcoin price forecast indicator did 38 trades between January and June 2017. Of those trades, 24 were winners. And the average return for all trades was 0.95% per week. That works out to 49.5% annualized. Its monthly price forecasts on bitcoin, Ethereum, and Litecoin executed 15 trades between January and May 2017. There were 13 winners and two losers. The average gain of all trades was 58.2% per month. That works out to 708.1% annualized.

Since its release on December 11, 2017, the Cindicator Bot has issued 128 alerts:
• 17 Beginner Package Alerts
• 29 Trader Package Alerts
• 82 Expert Package Alerts

Cindicator released its stats for January. There was a total of 226 indicators with 171 closed during the month. Out of the indicators, 64% were for cryptos while 36% were for at. Overall, the accuracy of indicators in January stood at 62.6%. While 10% lower than December, it was an impressive result considering the volatility during the month.

Of those total 128 alerts, 58 have closed with a 72.41% win rate. It is rare to almost impossible for 99% of traders to reach this level of successful trades in the long run & most signal groups have win rates <50% (they typically hide their bad calls)."

4  Economy / Goods / Re: Offering Cindicator (CND) Trader Lifetime Access! on: July 07, 2018, 11:48:40 AM
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5  Economy / Goods / Offering Cindicator (CND) Trader Lifetime Access! on: July 06, 2018, 04:48:23 PM
Hey all,

I'm offering access to the CND Trader platform that gives out signals with probabilities of success. The platform is geared towards institutional and professional traders for making reliable and high probability for success trades Cheesy. The platform costs roughly $10-20k, but I am offering it for $650 for lifetime access. When the token was worth 30 cents each, the platform cost was $60,000  Shocked . Lifetime access entitles you to a guarantee of 8 months of service (if there are any issues during this period, you will get a pro-rated refund in USD), but will run for 1-2 years or more Smiley I am a long standing member of bitcointalk.org since 2013, so trust and quality is assured. If you would like a record of its calls over the last several months, I can provide that as well. You will get a free upgrade to CND Expert when/if that occurs as well.

If interested, please send payment equivalent to $650 to either:
CND address: 0x057906c86c75910e86155bfcffca50aedd469655
ETH Address: 0xc7485e237b08f36f10c0efac16571c7d75f1778a
BTC Address: 1HrdkYGqShKitDuwCqhyXNJFecJPPkTiYX

& DM me your TXID. I usually respond within 1-4 hours EST time zone.



"What is Cindicator bot?

From Palm Beach Confidential:


Cindicator gathers data by polling 30,000 analysts through its Android app. These analysts answer questions about future events. (The analysts are paid proportionally from a reward fund based on the accuracy of their forecasts. The more accurate their predictions, the more they are paid.) Cindicator then aggregates the polling data and runs it through the AI component, which sends trading signals to Cindicator token holders.

The more tokens you own, the more (and better) information you receive. To date, Cindicator has been correct 72.4% of the time across all of its predictions (according to its published forward test results). As I’ll show you below, certain data packages have done even better than that.

To access Cindicator’s data, you have to either spend (i.e., send tokens to Cindicator) or “stake” a certain amount of coins. Let’s focus on staking for now because that’s my recommended way to access Cindicator’s predictions. When you stake Cindicator tokens, you put them into a wallet that proves your ownership. So long as the coins stay in the wallet, you continue to receive trading signals.

Cindicator offers four tiers for data access. They require as little as 5,000 tokens for the beginner package and as much as 1 million tokens for their “Cryptometer” Bot 2.0 package. (Trading bots automatically execute trades based on preset algorithms, indicators, or parameters.)(edited)
Its weekly bitcoin price forecast indicator did 38 trades between January and June 2017. Of those trades, 24 were winners. And the average return for all trades was 0.95% per week. That works out to 49.5% annualized. Its monthly price forecasts on bitcoin, Ethereum, and Litecoin executed 15 trades between January and May 2017. There were 13 winners and two losers. The average gain of all trades was 58.2% per month. That works out to 708.1% annualized.

Since its release on December 11, 2017, the Cindicator Bot has issued 128 alerts:
• 17 Beginner Package Alerts
• 29 Trader Package Alerts
• 82 Expert Package Alerts

Cindicator released its stats for January. There was a total of 226 indicators with 171 closed during the month. Out of the indicators, 64% were for cryptos while 36% were for at. Overall, the accuracy of indicators in January stood at 62.6%. While 10% lower than December, it was an impressive result considering the volatility during the month.

Of those total 128 alerts, 58 have closed with a 72.41% win rate. It is rare to almost impossible for 99% of traders to reach this level of successful trades in the long run & most signal groups have win rates <50% (they typically hide their bad calls)."

6  Economy / Speculation / Re: Death Cross on: March 22, 2018, 01:48:27 PM
People forget that BTC went from $3k to $10k in 2 months from September, and that type of growth simply is not normal. BTC interest has fell to early October levels. Not to mention taht the boost from $7s to $9.2k the last week was due to G20, and $300 million tether print and we don' know where that money came from, or if it's even real.

If it falls, I think $4k-6k is the lowest we can buy if the real price should be around $1-3k.

Let's see if the 50 day/200 day SMA death cross happens. It may very well just bounce off of the 200 day SMA for all we know. Bulls are gonna be fighting to get that April rally that they want.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Palm Beach Group Confidential (debate thread + premium leaks + access + updates) on: February 17, 2018, 08:47:41 PM
My review of seller, 'supremnoob'

Fair disclosure: I was asked to write a review detailing my experience in exchange for a small discount. I've been a member of bitcointalk.org for over 4 years, so that may add some legitimacy to this. You can also go through my posts over the last few months/years, and you'll see I'm someone who doesn't take kindly to scammers.

I wrote in his trust summary the following: "He delivered Palm Beach Confidential as promised. I have access to SMS alerts, the website portal including the newsletters, as well as email alerts. The email alerts are forwarded from his account on time (maybe a second delay), but I received an email with pw into the web portal so it's legit. The other two reviews gave negative feedback, but my experience was good. Also, you can click my user name, and see that I'm a long-term member of bitcointalk.org & I also call out people for being dishonest. If there are any issues which I do not foresee, I will communicate with the seller first to work it out, and if not update accordingly. But overall, everything looks good so far."


I wanted access my own personal access to PBC since the signals I was getting on telegram/discord were delayed, and I wanted reliable timely access. So I paid 0.1 BTC ($1000 - but others pay I believe $1250-$1500), and everything was as promised. I was looking for PBC because I know of Teeka's ability to pump things, but he picks coins that are solid as well. There are only two things I care about and they are PBC, and Cindicator. The rest is noise, or moderately useful, or I get from free people like DLavrov or twitter user Philakone.

So he gave me access to the account before I paid just for proof. I was able to add my US phone number for SMS messages, and everything looks good. It's been one day so far, but if there's any issues, I will update this post, or a post in the future in this thread, but I don't foresee any issue. I think the price is reasonable given the risk:reward considering PBC access is closed right now (but I'm sure they'll open it up again in a month or two - they're just trying to generate exclusivity, and know that it's been a bear market.

My only concern is say 6-12 months from now to ensure access is still valid, but if this lasts at least a year, I'll be happy. Seller has reassured me that the access will be there then, so I'll take his word for it for now. It's still a good deal given that PBC is about $3k (maybe they raise it in the future I do not know).

In any case, so far, the transaction I had with supremnoob has been good so far. I think if you need/want access you should be fine, but as always do your own research.

As far as http://stansberrychurchouse.com goes, so far I have not made up my mind on it yet as I have not heard anything about it on any websites. But I think PBC is worth picking up.

Hope this helps!
8  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Fraud Alert - Bitcoin Seoul Asian Whale Club - @OTC_Bitcoin on: January 30, 2018, 03:58:06 PM
Yes - he is a known scammer. He scammed a friend of mine.

How much did your friend lose?
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Spectrecoin[XSPEC] TOR+OBFS4, Ring Sig, Stealth! on: January 02, 2018, 06:31:17 PM
With the current trend, i think XSPEC has the potential to reach $100, imo.

XSPEC went up because Data Dash, who is a significant Crypto Youtuber, with an audience of about 200,000 people, and 100,000 views on the video below recommended this coin hence the rapid adoption.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZuscaIEKhk&feature=youtu.be&t=13m30s
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Bitcoin Growth Bot, Lending Platform​ 2.0​ [DECEMBER TOKEN SALE] on: December 30, 2017, 06:53:49 PM
TheFUDbot more like it Grin never seen somebody try so hard in my life

TheFUDbot  Cheesy

This FUDbot has not posted anything since 2014 and comes out crying like a baby every day against this project. Yes, working soooooo hard it is a joke.

Clearly being paid by a competitor to spread FUD. Another sign the other lending platforms schemes without a real bot are scared that 2018 belongs to Nucleus!



miKcrypto – still waiting for you to post from your "older" account.

@Kygo who's been around here for only a few weeks (aka Jordan Lindsey shill)

I am not invested in any other competitor. As far as I can tell there is no other Forex trading bot on crypto - because no one would be so retarded to do that.

Keep bag holding (and Jordan Lindsey - i know you are trying to derail the questions asked of you). You guys aren't exactly doing a very good job seeing as it's only the 3 Lindsey shills on here Cheesy Pity.


To anyone who's being shilled on this scam coin - read the first few pages and also realize that the CEO (who is a one man operation with no team Cheesy ) will not answer the most basic questions of this scam coin. He has refused to answer these very simple questions because answering them would mean exposing his pump and dump.


1) What are your credentials? What is your background? What school did you go to? Why should people trust you?
2) Why do you think your bot will work in the future? Why do you think your 10% gain will be consistent when your past performance has shown to be nothing like that? Do you think that a 10% return per month or CLAIMED ~300% return for the year on a high risk, sketchy, unknown coin is good considering that holding bitcoin, litecoin, etc. will 2-4x in a year reliably?
3) Why should anyone use your FOREX trading bot when Forex has been known for being a sketch market for years especially compared to the cryptocurrency market?
4) Why should anyone believe your bot will consistently return >10% when in the past you have promised up to 2000% gains, and then lost clients' money. NOT on one occasion, but on at least a dozen if not more?
5) If you believe in your bot's performance, why don't you have a MyFxBook account so that people can audit your past trades? Wink
6) Why do you ban people/remove comments in Facebook or Telegram that are critical?
7) Why do you hide the physical address of your company and why is it located outside of the US despite the fact you live in California?
8 ) Why was the domain name registered just a month ago, and now you've suddenly done an ICO?
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Bitcoin Growth Bot, Lending Platform​ 2.0​ [DECEMBER TOKEN SALE] on: December 30, 2017, 01:07:14 AM
Who cares if he has had failures in the past. You only have to be right once.

You said you're not invested in the project. Why would he answer any of your questions?

Regardless, he made is clear he has more important things to do like build something that matters rather than talk with the likes of you. Yet another smart decision that has me fully supporting this project.

 Cheesy Thanks for the humor. Successful people tend to be successful in the cryptocurrency world. Forex/hedge fund types on Waves are a known scam/pump and dump. He'd answer my questions if he wants more people to buy his crap coin - poor marketing and misdirection. Marketing and PR is also very important - if he can't answer where his company is located (we need a physical address NOT "belize"), or why people should trust in his track record given his abysmal Forex trading history (and lack of MyFxBook account history/progress). It's also pretty reasonable to ask what his credentials are - where he went to school, and why people should trust him. If he can't answer that, then it's obvious to any newcomer he's a scammer.

I'm sorry you and fellow shills are left holding bags of crap tokens - a colleague has told me there is no volume or liquidity in this exchange. There are easier ways to make money rather than trying to pump a worthless token, and dumping on unsuspecting victims.

And by all means - I know that Mr. Lindsey has directed shills to attack me. By all means keep it up – I'll keep on asking the hard hitting questions.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Bitcoin Growth Bot, Lending Platform​ 2.0​ [DECEMBER TOKEN SALE] on: December 30, 2017, 12:59:56 AM
and now it does appear you created 2 bitcoin talk accounts

In case he tries to edit the messages. - here's an archived link where the same message from his fake account was made (see posts #366 & #367): https://web.archive.org/web/20171227221912/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2430121.msg27066300
You're trying too hard man, your personal crusade again this guy is getting pathetic. For your own sake, sell everything you have connected to this project and let it go...

Both of you have account that were made in the last few months Cheesy . I'm not invested in the project - a Pajeet likely yourself or Mr. Lindsey tried to shill me on this coin. I'm not going anywhere, Mr. Lindsey Wink . By all means, I've been here for 4 years - I didn't post for some time because I was Goxxed, so was inactive, although I have an aversion for scammers Smiley . Cute that all the 2-3 month old accounts (as well as the alt accounts Mr. Lindsey uses) try to accuse others of what he/them are doing themselves Wink

If Mr. Lindsey can adequately answer these questions - I'll gladly rest my case. My questions are pretty simple for any reputable CEO of an honest company to answer. You keep shilling, and not answering my questions, and I'll keep asking Wink

1) What are your credentials? What is your background? What school did you go to? Why should people trust you?
2) Why do you think your bot will work in the future? Why do you think your 10% gain will be consistent when your past performance has shown to be nothing like that? Do you think that a 10% return per month or CLAIMED ~300% return for the year on a high risk, sketchy, unknown coin is good considering that holding bitcoin, litecoin, etc. will 2-4x in a year reliably?
3) Why should anyone use your FOREX trading bot when Forex has been known for being a sketch market for years especially compared to the cryptocurrency market?
4) Why should anyone believe your bot will consistently return >10% when in the past you have promised up to 2000% gains, and then lost clients' money. NOT on one occasion, but on at least a dozen if not more?
5) If you believe in your bot's performance, why don't you have a MyFxBook account so that people can audit your past trades? Wink
6) Why do you ban people/remove comments in Facebook or Telegram that are critical?
7) Why do you hide the physical address of your company and why is it located outside of the US despite the fact you live in California?
8 ) Why was the domain name registered just a month ago, and now you've suddenly done an ICO?



The trading bot is operational and is showing signs of where it needs to be to sustain a growth rate of 7-12% (https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Nucleus/bitcoin-growth-bot/2358348). History of trades won and lost/open trades are also accessible. Trading on crypto markets is board-line moronic as the volatility is probably 10 times higher than the Forex market. So what if he's had some failed ventures in the past? Failure is the greatest teacher. I've also been in the telegram group since its inception and the only posts I've seen deleted are those regarding other projects. I am following day to day activities with NCL as I've invested in this project and I've yet to see any signs of deceptive behaviour. When the platform goes live, appreciation of the token will be inevitable and your blind hatred will have caused you to miss the boat.

My main account since you're choosing to act like a child:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=200101



By all means post in this thread with your other account if you claim it's from 4 years ago. Sorry, but Forex is a shit market. Everyone knows that. Comments are removed on Facebook that are not positive.

LMAO - "missed the boat on a Forex coin" - despite being in the biggest cryptocurrency boom ever. Thanks for the joke.

You, Mr. Lindsey, or any other shill/alt can derail the thread. When Mr. Lindsey answers the questions I mentioned from above, I'll rest my case. Mr. Lindsey - simple question - where is your company located? What is the physical address of it? Don't you think clients should know where your business is operated? Wink

Lmao what a fucking child  Cheesy

When you get called out for being a shill, Mr. Lindsey using various alts to post the same message, having Indians/Africans shill on your behalf for a few rupees – ad hominems are great Wink

Keep up the misdirection, and enjoy bag holding. This entire thread starting from page 1, mind you, from numerous well-established members, have called this project out for being a scam and a flop.

Mr. Lindsey - the longer you avoid answering these questions - the more doubt and uncertainty your project will create. It's clear no one is buying bags on Wave, and it's your accomplices, and shills looking to heckle for a few rupees.

13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Bitcoin Growth Bot, Lending Platform​ 2.0​ [DECEMBER TOKEN SALE] on: December 29, 2017, 01:38:57 PM
and now it does appear you created 2 bitcoin talk accounts

In case he tries to edit the messages. - here's an archived link where the same message from his fake account was made (see posts #366 & #367): https://web.archive.org/web/20171227221912/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2430121.msg27066300
You're trying too hard man, your personal crusade again this guy is getting pathetic. For your own sake, sell everything you have connected to this project and let it go...

Both of you have account that were made in the last few months Cheesy . I'm not invested in the project - a Pajeet likely yourself or Mr. Lindsey tried to shill me on this coin. I'm not going anywhere, Mr. Lindsey Wink . By all means, I've been here for 4 years - I didn't post for some time because I was Goxxed, so was inactive, although I have an aversion for scammers Smiley . Cute that all the 2-3 month old accounts (as well as the alt accounts Mr. Lindsey uses) try to accuse others of what he/them are doing themselves Wink

If Mr. Lindsey can adequately answer these questions - I'll gladly rest my case. My questions are pretty simple for any reputable CEO of an honest company to answer. You keep shilling, and not answering my questions, and I'll keep asking Wink

1) What are your credentials? What is your background? What school did you go to? Why should people trust you?
2) Why do you think your bot will work in the future? Why do you think your 10% gain will be consistent when your past performance has shown to be nothing like that? Do you think that a 10% return per month or CLAIMED ~300% return for the year on a high risk, sketchy, unknown coin is good considering that holding bitcoin, litecoin, etc. will 2-4x in a year reliably?
3) Why should anyone use your FOREX trading bot when Forex has been known for being a sketch market for years especially compared to the cryptocurrency market?
4) Why should anyone believe your bot will consistently return >10% when in the past you have promised up to 2000% gains, and then lost clients' money. NOT on one occasion, but on at least a dozen if not more?
5) If you believe in your bot's performance, why don't you have a MyFxBook account so that people can audit your past trades? Wink
6) Why do you ban people/remove comments in Facebook or Telegram that are critical?
7) Why do you hide the physical address of your company and why is it located outside of the US despite the fact you live in California?
8 ) Why was the domain name registered just a month ago, and now you've suddenly done an ICO?



The trading bot is operational and is showing signs of where it needs to be to sustain a growth rate of 7-12% (https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Nucleus/bitcoin-growth-bot/2358348). History of trades won and lost/open trades are also accessible. Trading on crypto markets is board-line moronic as the volatility is probably 10 times higher than the Forex market. So what if he's had some failed ventures in the past? Failure is the greatest teacher. I've also been in the telegram group since its inception and the only posts I've seen deleted are those regarding other projects. I am following day to day activities with NCL as I've invested in this project and I've yet to see any signs of deceptive behaviour. When the platform goes live, appreciation of the token will be inevitable and your blind hatred will have caused you to miss the boat.

My main account since you're choosing to act like a child:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=200101



By all means post in this thread with your other account if you claim it's from 4 years ago. Sorry, but Forex is a shit market. Everyone knows that. Comments are removed on Facebook that are not positive.

LMAO - "missed the boat on a Forex coin" - despite being in the biggest cryptocurrency boom ever. Thanks for the joke.

You, Mr. Lindsey, or any other shill/alt can derail the thread. When Mr. Lindsey answers the questions I mentioned from above, I'll rest my case. Mr. Lindsey - simple question - where is your company located? What is the physical address of it? Don't you think clients should know where your business is operated? Wink
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Bitcoin Growth Bot, Lending Platform​ 2.0​ [DECEMBER TOKEN SALE] on: December 29, 2017, 03:26:04 AM
and now it does appear you created 2 bitcoin talk accounts

In case he tries to edit the messages. - here's an archived link where the same message from his fake account was made (see posts #366 & #367): https://web.archive.org/web/20171227221912/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2430121.msg27066300
You're trying too hard man, your personal crusade again this guy is getting pathetic. For your own sake, sell everything you have connected to this project and let it go...

Both of you have account that were made in the last few months Cheesy . I'm not invested in the project - a Pajeet likely yourself or Mr. Lindsey tried to shill me on this coin. I'm not going anywhere, Mr. Lindsey Wink . By all means, I've been here for 4 years - I didn't post for some time because I was Goxxed, so was inactive, although I have an aversion for scammers Smiley . Cute that all the 2-3 month old accounts (as well as the alt accounts Mr. Lindsey uses) try to accuse others of what he/them are doing themselves Wink

If Mr. Lindsey can adequately answer these questions - I'll gladly rest my case. My questions are pretty simple for any reputable CEO of an honest company to answer. You keep shilling, and not answering my questions, and I'll keep asking Wink

1) What are your credentials? What is your background? What school did you go to? Why should people trust you?
2) Why do you think your bot will work in the future? Why do you think your 10% gain will be consistent when your past performance has shown to be nothing like that? Do you think that a 10% return per month or CLAIMED ~300% return for the year on a high risk, sketchy, unknown coin is good considering that holding bitcoin, litecoin, etc. will 2-4x in a year reliably?
3) Why should anyone use your FOREX trading bot when Forex has been known for being a sketch market for years especially compared to the cryptocurrency market?
4) Why should anyone believe your bot will consistently return >10% when in the past you have promised up to 2000% gains, and then lost clients' money. NOT on one occasion, but on at least a dozen if not more?
5) If you believe in your bot's performance, why don't you have a MyFxBook account so that people can audit your past trades? Wink
6) Why do you ban people/remove comments in Facebook or Telegram that are critical?
7) Why do you hide the physical address of your company and why is it located outside of the US despite the fact you live in California?
8 ) Why was the domain name registered just a month ago, and now you've suddenly done an ICO?

15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Bitcoin Growth Bot, Lending Platform​ 2.0​ [DECEMBER TOKEN SALE] on: December 27, 2017, 10:20:33 PM
and now it does appear you created 2 bitcoin talk accounts

In case he tries to edit the messages. - here's an archived link where the same message from his fake account was made (see posts #366 & #367): https://web.archive.org/web/20171227221912/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2430121.msg27066300
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Bitcoin Growth Bot, Lending Platform​ 2.0​ [DECEMBER TOKEN SALE] on: December 27, 2017, 10:13:48 PM

Important announcement!

I hereby hand off this thread to @theshazbot aka the guy who spent his Christmas Eve spamming this thread.

The distraction here is a distraction and I have important things to focus on and build.

Good luck @theshazbot, I will reclaim the thread at a later date of my choosing.

Lending Platform 2.0

Here are the team tokens in public view,
http://dev.pywaves.org/assets/C7kLesHCnqhDSNNgTuCiiMGr3qaEX1oGAXiJ8gTqzyku

Real verified bot,
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Nucleus/bitcoin-growth-bot/2358348


Nope – your announcement is a derailment from the questions that need to be answered if you want to be seen as credible. It's not spamming when I'm calling you out for not answering basic questions. On the other hand, using your shill army to pump fake comments on your behalf is. You ban people on Facebook, Telegram, and use fake accounts to shill your product. You registered your website a month ago, and did an ICO (red flag) - another sign of a cash grab.

You have no address for your company (another red flag).

You've been known for being a disreputable Forex trader, making false promises of 2000% percent returns in a year (and not showing your previous Forex trading performance, and not being on myfxbook ) - major red flag Cheesy

Your website looks like it was outsourced to Kazakhstan.

You are welcome to answer the following questions - if you can't, well, you're only hurting yourself Wink



I'll ask again - because any bagholder deserves an answer before you try to fleece them again. Your refusal to answer these simple questions means you are hiding something Smiley :

1) What are your credentials? What is your background? What school did you go to? Why should people trust you?
2) Why do you think your bot will work in the future? Why do you think your 10% gain will be consistent when your past performance has shown to be nothing like that? Do you think that a 10% return per month or CLAIMED ~300% return for the year on a high risk, sketchy, unknown coin is good considering that holding bitcoin, litecoin, etc. will 2-4x in a year reliably?
3) Why should anyone use your FOREX trading bot when Forex has been known for being a sketch market for years especially compared to the cryptocurrency market?
4) Why should anyone believe your bot will consistently return >10% when in the past you have promised up to 2000% gains, and then lost clients' money. NOT on one occasion, but on at least a dozen if not more?
5) If you believe in your bot's performance, why don't you have a MyFxBook account so that people can audit your past trades? Wink
6) Why do you ban people/remove comments in Facebook or Telegram that are critical?
7) Why do you hide the physical address of your company and why is it located outside of the US despite the fact you live in California?
8 ) Why was the domain name registered just a month ago, and now you've suddenly done an ICO?


By all means, take a break from bumping this thread - it's the only move you can make as you can't answer any of these questions above – I'll be here ready to call you out as needed. Until next time, hombre Wink
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Bitcoin Growth Bot, Lending Platform​ 2.0​ [DECEMBER TOKEN SALE] on: December 27, 2017, 04:01:28 PM
Blessed Christmas @theshazbot. We are praying for you and hope you and your family are filled with peace and love.

Blessed Christmas @theshazbot. We are praying for you and hope you and your family are filled with peace and love.

Ruh roh Jordan - looks like you accidentally typed the same message twice on two different accounts.

Mr. Jordan Lindsey - thank you for the holiday greetings, while I am not Christian, I hope you can learn from God when he commanded, "Thou shalt not steal."

I see that you didn't answer my questions, and are avoiding them. You've clearly hidden information about the company's location, your background, etc. It will not do you any good by avoiding these questions (as others have asked before, and which you have conveniently ignored).

1) What are your credentials? What is your background? What school did you go to? Why should people trust you?
2) Why do you think your bot will work in the future? Why do you think your 10% gain will be consistent when your past performance has shown to be nothing like that? Do you think that a 10% return per month or CLAIMED ~300% return for the year on a high risk, sketchy, unknown coin is good considering that holding bitcoin, litecoin, etc. will 2-4x in a year reliably?
3) Why should anyone use your FOREX trading bot when Forex has been known for being a sketch market for years especially compared to the cryptocurrency market?
4) Why do you ban people/remove comments in Facebook or Telegram that are critical?
5) Why do you hide the physical address of your company and why is it located outside of the US despite the fact you live in California?
6) Why was the domain name registered just a month ago, and now you've suddenly done an ICO?

18  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Fraud Alert - Bitcoin Seoul Asian Whale Club - @OTC_Bitcoin on: December 27, 2017, 03:25:07 AM
bump this guy is a scammer. bitcoin-fund-manager.com . He's been running scams for over 16 years. He fled America because he was being indicted for fraud, and has lived in South Korea ever since. The guy is a sociopath.

Proof is in the links below:

See: http://robertkim-scam-korean-american-conman.blogspot.ca/2014/11/korean-american-con-man-defrauds.html

Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20171227032611/http://robertkim-scam-korean-american-conman.blogspot.ca/2014/11/korean-american-con-man-defrauds.html
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Bitcoin Growth Bot, Lending Platform​ 2.0​ [DECEMBER TOKEN SALE] on: December 24, 2017, 04:30:41 PM
No wonder this guy has the word bot in his name! spambot more like
You're trying to save humanity, you warned everyone, you delivered your message ... go expose other scams please

Afrazium is another new registered poster from September 2017 with a few posts. Ok Jordan.


"Those who see the value in our program will take the time to learn the waves dex and buy NCL"

This is wrong approach, ordinary investors don't want to take the time to learn about slow and unpopular exchange.

You took so much BTC in ico and you can't spend btc or 2 to apply for some semi decent exchange listing to get your coin out there.

You defending dex as agood exchange which nobody uses to trade even top pairs, its laughable looking at that order book and a few sheep here are supporting everything you say.

You banning everyone on telegram who asks legitimate questions so you only want blind idiots shilling for your coin.

How you think this platform will be ready by February or March whe you still hiring for the past month or more.

You sold coins without having a team, working site and no progress since mid November when you started out, 6 weeks and site is a mess.

How about you disclose your physical address for the sake of transparency, if you are an honest businessman you should do that, many non-scammy coins have physical address where you can come and talk to ceo and team, investors sleep better knowing where  ceo  sleeps Smiley

@didi-man not surprised at all he's banning on Telegram. He removed people's posts on Facebook (he claims he doesn't ban people on Telegram) but proof is in the pudding. Facebook score also shows 4/5 mainly from Africans.

It's a sketch coin, from a sketch incompetent person, from a sketch background. Low volume, and only people that are shilling this are either himself, his associates, people he paid in India/Africa, and referrals.

Anyone who's left bag holding this scam-coin shouldn't be in cryptocurrency. There are far more transparent companies that HAVE a working product, that have a physical address, a real team, not on a sketch platform (Waves - tons of fraudster hedge fund types like Jordan). Jordan and his shills don't like that guys like yourself or myself post objective thoughts, so they go smearing.

Mr. Lindsey:
Multiple times you have been asked for the physical address for your company which you have not disclosed. Why haven't you disclosed a physical address when any reputable company will? Generally speaking, the only reason is because you do NOT want people to be able to locate this company. Interestingly, you are a US citizen, yet your token offer is outside America, with an undisclosed location – which is another red flag. You have also not shown past performance from previous Forex portfolios you've handled. Your website was registered only a month ago (another major red flag), and you have NO team.
By all means, try to explain that Cheesy



Mr. Jordan Lindsey answer these questions, and if you don't, you prove my point:

1) What are your credentials? What is your background? What school did you go to? Why should people trust you?
2) Why do you think your bot will work in the future? Why do you think your 10% gain will be consistent when your past performance has shown to be nothing like that? Do you think that a 10% return per month or CLAIMED ~300% return for the year on a high risk, sketchy, unknown coin is good considering that holding bitcoin, litecoin, etc. will 2-4x in a year reliably?
3) Why should anyone use your FOREX trading bot when Forex has been known for being a sketch market for years especially compared to the cryptocurrency market?
4) Why do you ban people/remove comments in Facebook or Telegram that are critical?
5) Why do you hide the physical address of your company and why is it located outside of the US despite the fact you live in California?


I will admit Mr. Jordan Lindsey, that you are persistent at consistently marketing and profiteering by trying to prey on the naive. I am sure you do not feel any remorse making money by losing people's hard-earned money. It's a shame you have never applied all that effort at earning an honest living, rather than looking for get-rich-quick schemes for so many years.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Bitcoin Growth Bot, Lending Platform​ 2.0​ [DECEMBER TOKEN SALE] on: December 22, 2017, 04:47:57 PM
Jordans bad reputation in forex market is detrimental for this coin, getting his face and name  up there is a good thing but only works if your track record is good, in this case we have many complaints and it works against Nucleus.

It doesnt take much to google his name, now the fact he is trading in forex market again, place where he failed  doesn't help.

The best would be to remove himself form nucleus and new hire ceo, fresh one with good track record or no record at all.

Price is gone to the toilet, trade occurs every half hour on dex, its not about spreading fud, im still in this coin for for fk sake this coin should be flying if done properly.

Please hire some  marketing strategist and adviser, perception is you created worthless coins on waves and now we are bagholders hoping for miracle.

If you go through the thread - you'll notice there's a ton of newbie comment with less than 20 posts (usually 2-3 posts from an account that is usually only a few weeks or 2-3 months old). On Facebook, his group delete comments that are critical (see previous posts), and rig ratings to make it look 4/5+. Most of the reviews look fake, or referrals, and notice a large amount of 'reviews' from Africans and Indians. As if these places have a lot of capital for investing anyways Wink If it's not clear already, it's obvious he's hired people in other countries (India and/or Africa) or through referrals to shill his coin (Source: https://www.facebook.com/Bitcoin-Growth-Bot-1987165431498282/reviews/ and https://web.archive.org/web/20171222165658/https://www.facebook.com/Bitcoin-Growth-Bot-1987165431498282/reviews/ in case they try to remove).

Remember –Jordan Lindsey has made claims in the past of being able to turn $1,000 into $100,000 and 2000% a year returns in Forex  Roll Eyes Source: https://www.valforex.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/lindsey-of-aggressive-returns-promises-the-impossible.png He says: 30% a return per month on average AND in Forex. LOL. Another red flag, btw, because he doesn't have a myfxbook account to track his results, and any reputable Forex trader worth a damn will at least show that (not that there are really any and if they were, they wouldn't be peddling to random people on the internet). Same types of promises he's making here now on this ICO.

So it's clear to anyone who isn't a shill, that this is just another infomercial-type peddling get rich quick schemester. Guys like this will never learn how to act in a professional, and ethical manner, but fortunately, karma is a biznatch. Crooks only care about much money they can legally squeeze from consumers. Again: go on google, look at reviews - going back YEARS ago. He thinks that ICOS are the next hot thing for a quick buck, so might as well con some unsuspecting and gullible people.

There are a few classic signs of this being a scam for your future reference (if it isn't glaringly obvious already):

1) Bad feedback of Jordan Lindsey going back to TEN years ago (so not likely that people are trying to harm this 'ICO'). Jordan burned customers' funds making him profitable on commissions, but making his 'clients' broke. No successful forex trader uses the 'strategies' he uses.
2) His website is recently registered (another red flag), and is sketchy as heck. He didn't have the savviness to create a website that looks authentic. Evidence? Go to his website: jcls-forex.com and bitcoingrowthbot.io . It's clear he didn't spend the money on a professional looking MODERN website. Looks like it was made in 5 minutes.
3) No information on where this company is located (including address).
4) A man who failed at trading on Forex, making similar claims of his bot being able to do similar performance.
5) Most WAVES "hedge fund manager" type bots, if not all, are scams.
6) There are likely poor people who are shilling for this coin from India/Africa/wherever to get referrals and hope this might give them a chance to pump and dump the coin. He also deletes posts that are critical of his bitcoingrowthbot on facebook.
7) The bot is doing atm around 10% monthly return, but in a bullish market. Does not mean much.
8 ) He markets the bitcoin growth bot through 'aggressive' referrals, and shilling. The only ones pumping this turd are the ones who bought pre-ICO at 50 cents or got the coins for free through referral pumping.
9) No one is going to buy coins at $2-3 in 2-3 weeks LOL for a shamcoin on a shit Forex market from a sketchy guy with horrible past performance. Look at the volume - no will will buy.
10) Most importantly: They had an ICO, but no team? There is literally no one hired (Source: https://i.imgur.com/5XSTgxU.png). No devs, no nothing. Predictably, there would not be any Cheesy.

All in all, if you threw money on this 'coin' you might as well get out. You got scammed. There won't be any other CEO for this scam coin, or any team, because it's a get rich quick scheme for the owner.

From: http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/forex-reviews/387/www.jcls-forex.com

Note: All these comments were written months and YEARS before "Bitcoin Growth Bot" website was registered. It is clear to anyone with a normal IQ that there is a pattern of abuse, and dishonesty with this man (which has been demonstrated throughout this thread as well).

1. "Commission grabber only!!! Jordan has become a "commission grabber" and will trade accounts to zero for broker fees. In the YEARS that he has been selling his services, he hasn't had a successfull venture - STOP INVESTING WITH HIM!!!" - March 5, 2017

2. "Jordan has days or weeks were he gets good returns and it is those weeks he markets to the masses. Overall and in the long term nothing but losses.
 Opened 1250.00 small account to "test" see if what he claims is even close to REAL." March 2016. As of today - Feb 6 - 2017 - 11 months later my real money test account sits at 37.00. DO NOT PUT MONEY INTO THIS!"
- February 7, 2017

3. "Do not be naive like I was. It is a robbery...Steady ROI drop down 50% within 2-3 weeks....I lost lot of money...Never ever. If I traded randomly with a solid money management, I would not be able to "reach" what Mr. Lindsay showed me. Almost 30% down with 1 trade...
DO NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE !!!!!" - January 17, 2017

4. "Low on return. High on promises. Had an account for.5 months. Finally decided my money( down 15% since may 1st) is better off elsewhere." - October 6, 2016

5. "I opened a small $500 account to use his copy trading. He advertised that his goal is to make a 30% return monthly. I was skeptical but he showed some reports where in some months he made about 30-40% so I thought ok, even if he can make 10% a month that is still good. To be fair he does advise that he can get to 30% drawdown. Within 2.5 months my account was down 33%. As of today it is down about 22%. His system takes a lot of trades ( probably way too many). This is definitely not for those who can't deal with big drawdowns like 20 - 30 %. For those people I would say stay away. He does respond to your emails fairly promptly for someone who trades nonstop like a machine. At the end of 1 year he might end up with an average of 5-15% monthly but making 30 % 1 month and losing 20 % the following month is too much for most people to handle. I would not recommend." - September 21, 2016

6. "terrible, having previously given 5 stars for his chat room many years ago, decided to go with his managed forex service with tallinex. 78% drawdown in less than 10 days, closed out the managed account. 152 trades. he claimed 3+% loss in his account and said that the managed account is leveraged 3 times. this was ofcourse not disclosed before. Even at my worst trading, havent had a drawdown that big. very let down. so people do your own due deligence...." - March 20, 2015

7. "Jordan Lindsey is as bad as they come. I didn't rate him a SCAM because I believe he is just incompetent and not intentionally inept. I was with him a year and lost a ton of money following his systems to the letter. Everything he put out lost money. When I left him he was reduced to "teaching" how to day trade. I spent two sessions with that and knew I couldn't take any more. Stay away. You'll lose money." - August 14, 2007"

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tl;dr - If Mr. Lindsey was honest - he'd disclose his past performance on his past Forex trads, but he can't because he knows his results are nowhere near where he claims. Currently, bitcoin growth bot is generating something like 10% monthly gain in a bull market. Compared to just buying and holding any major coin like bitcoin, litecoin, monero, etc. that will almost practically 2-5x+ in 2018. We're in the age of crypto - Forex is in the past, and a sketch market.

P.S. It also would not surprise me if Mr. Jordan Lindsey pre-ICOed the coins for 50 cents, and also sold them for $1.00. THAT's the exit scam combined with a bot that has abysmal returns in a bull market. All of the risk, little return.

It's clear that for years this guy has been making enticing people with promises of huge gains, and then conveniently hiding his failure rate. That's the definition of a crook. When called out for this, his only response is "customers knew what the were getting into" because it was "aggressive." Yeah, aggressive losse for clients, and aggressive gains for Mr. Lindsey Cheesy .

So if it isn't clear already - the only ones shilling this are either Jordan Lindsey, or the referrals looking for any gullible people to dump their shitcoins onto. No one (including Jordan) really expect this to outperform the cryptocurrency market in 2018, or in general. Cheesy
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