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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I've got what you need. High quality stuff. Safe and anonymous. on: May 29, 2011, 05:26:17 AM
Causing the media to shut the fuck up about "how bitcoin is a national threat", Because its not. Seriously, You mayaswel fucking yell at Every money sending agency in the world, Sure they have papertrails, But Fuck dude, it's not like they know what the money was for, Only the To/From Factors

Wich uhhh HERP A FUCKING DERP Doesnt get them shit, If the DEA shows up at your door for accepting a $200USD wire transfer, Tell them to fuckoff.
the only damn differnce with bitcoins is that they dont know where or who you are. Wich is why bitcoin was created.

Welcome to the difference between intelligence and evidence. The DEA can send WU to a drug dealer and follow it back to them, not the case with Bitcoin if it is properly used. Sure, the dealer could tell the DEA to fuck off but its far more likely that the DEA will simply put them under surveillance and then bust them with drugs. An even more worrying attack is the DEA can can learn the account information of a dealer and watch everyone who sends money and trace in reverse. Again, sending money to a drug dealer may not be evidence but it is certainly intelligence.

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My point is that you need trust in order to remotely trade with someone.
If a seller wants to be anonymous, then you cannot trust him: he can scam you, or even blackmail you.

And buying drugs in the street can get you robbed or killed and chances are high that there is not a huge market leaving reviews on the dealers product to immediately warn the community if it has any problems, and chances are high that the dude on the corner selling drugs gives a fuck less about you but the vendor trying to make his reputation online has publicly viewable reviews to worry about. you need trust to trade with ANYONE, your relative locations don't matter. And if you deal drugs and don't maintain your anonymity, unless you have a small army backing you up the DEA can fuck you because they have soooooooo many snitches and undercovers. Can't snitch on anonymous. People who sell drugs with out being securely pseudonymous are begging to get busted.

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I guess that if you want to buy drugs, it is "safer" to meet a dealer on the street than to use bitcoins.

Nope it is way safer to buy drugs online than in the street, for the customer for the community and particularly for the vendor.

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so this is how you would sell drugs almost risk-free: You post an anonymous public announcement (advertisement) online for drugs for sale. The message says to respond via pgp-encrypted e-mail and a public key is provided.

Just go to a .onion and sell there are a few drug forums with public registration now. E-mail vending is old school. Use mail for long distance but dead drops for local.

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What buyer would choose to do business this way? someone desperate or with a high risk tolerance. You would initially have to charge them substantially below-market prices to compensate somewhat for the risk, but after several successful transactions you could raise your prices and likely increase your volume.

Sourcing online gets cheaper than street prices on almost every drug except heroin/coke/meth in some cases, is generally regarded as very safe. Pretty much if the vendor you pick is good, your only risk is interception which is a small risk. Also sourcing online opens you up to a global market. In one nation the price of a gram of a certain drug might be $80, in another $300. So prices you can get from the global market are the global low in most cases, then people resell locally in areas where the prices are higher (best to do dead drops for local). Plus with web of trust you only need to trust one persons judgement and you will be substantially protected.

Sourcing online is way safer for customers primarily because there are vendors with expensive reputations at stake. If a vendor sends a bad batch of drugs out, everyone knows as soon as the first person finds out. Also people online tend to be far safer than people on the street and there is access to all kinds of sophisticated analysis equipment to make sure drugs are as advertised. When is the last time some street drug user got an NMR done on their drugs to test quality? They don't even use reagent tests for the most part! Online drugs: highest quality drugs (cuz people in source countries ship directly to customers and remove the chain of people who would otherwise cut the drugs), cheapest prices (due to global price differences, online you will almost always find at least some drugs at way cheaper prices than they are in your area), only safe way to deal, way more intelligent harm reduction community and systems to protect from scammers and such. If a customer picks one good vendor who is not LE and stick with them they are not likely to ever get busted.




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