im currently 3/7 payments in.
admin posting daily news??

shorena:

I'm not replacing trust system with old accounts, i'm replacing trust system with a real democratic trust system equally for everyone and which only gives 1 point per trade.  

Is better to have trusted mods with more power, they are a small group and technically they belong to the Staff, instead of having
100 anonymous users acting like mods but without following any rules but his own "style" and making whenever they want his own will, and yet again; at the end without offering any insurance to the traders!. This forum could even surpass sites like LBC if people could feel safe trading here.

Nice try, my friend.

The only way this can be improved without having many centralized people or asking for KYC is to remove that trust circle and
peg it to the activity and remove hierarchy point levels (i mean, every trade should count only as 1 point on the feedback no matter if it was
made by a 1 year old user or a "vip") , less than 50 activity feedback can remain invisible, put mods to slightly verify each feedback to avoid
fake feedback between users, ban accounts who make feedbacks between them with the same IP, on the trust it can also show
the volume traded to avoid having +100 with only 5 USD trades, and give the mods the authority to randomly ask a seller to make
a prove of his funds, if someone sees some user is making "several trades" but always with a small group of people; he can randomly ask
in a trade where for example if he is selling 5 BTCs, he can ask to send a proof of those transactions and if he fails this should result in
perm bans, (no one will easily risk to have his account perm banned via making fake trades), those are hard rules, but this is how successful
trade sites works.
This should be stated as a rule to read before any trade.


The MM or escrows listed as "secure" at least should be asked for a verification with ID and video-call, yeah i know, this is bitcoin
bitcoin was supposed to be anonymous, and yes this is true! but for the final user, my friend: since you started offering a public service with
your responsibility to maintain funds secured, you stopped being anonymous, because the only 99% SAFE anonymous system
in a transactions market is the one made by a machine. I think many escrows will be happy to send their verification
if they can raise the fee for their services, but at the end this will attract more traders here and they will gain real money, and the ones who don't
either they plan to make a fraud or his escrow services are not a serious job on their lives which ends in less responsibility, i'm not saying escrows have
scammed, at least i don't remember, but there can be only a matter of time when one account is "hacked" or something and escrow runs with 10 or more
bitcoins, i trust current escrows but in reality nothing is preventing one of them to take a trade as his "retirement" prize, and this is seen by many traders
that don't choose escrows from here to make important txs.

And about what "shorena" said, well i have this escrow guy on my skype, and he also has a website (that i will not post here) and at least he have escrowed my last trades good and i trust him, that "defaulted" loan accusation is from like 3 years ago and that account is not even active, so i can post within a scam attempt a skype from a trust circle member acting as mine, then to unveil myself as a scammer and this guys will neg trust him? i don't think so.

It's not up to the other part in this case "anarchy" user to investigate and decide if he likes that escrow or no?


And, where are the rules who say "If you don't use an escrow from this list, you will negative rep"
And in the hypothetical case it were, where are the insurance this users wont still scam us?, did the staff asked for a KYC at least?

Who else applies rules or laws only to the people they want and not to all? again, an Oligarchy

The only thing i see here is that Admins wanted to make a "freedom" forum, but this ended worse than if there were some centralized people
monitoring all the trades and even charging a fee.

PD: Monnt: It's an obvious joke to the system.

I've never cared about trust and i almost don't make trades.  

My critic is only an objective critic, and respecting what you said, well, i've always liked this forum but
the ones who don't evolve are destined to fail and be replaced with better ones, and every one knows
this forum has already strong competition, it's just a free market rule...

Obviously no one will agree with a new system if the voters are the trust circle itself, my God!, it's like saying:
"this dictator was about to be removed, we created a voting poll with his close staff and his family, but they surprisingly
voted against it!! so I think it's the people's decision."

Here we have the first guy "plausing" the oligarchs just because probably he want's to become one of them later.  

Hello!
 
I'm here since 2013 and I always saw this flaw over here, i don't care about my trust now but just to avoid questions,
my neg trust was left by a scammer user called "equamoby" who claimed i not "recommended" a "reputable escrow".

But that's not important, the flaw i'm going to talk about is this:

The old ones already know how this works but the new people entering this forum:

Imagine an ebay site with feedback and reputation system just as what it has now, but
imagine the visible reputation is not from everyone, just from a circle of 10 users/sellers and the
people trusted by this 10 people circle.

So if you register on there and after one year, you have made let's say 10 trades, you could've
sent reputation and feedback to every user you made trade with, but that feedback will not be shown
on his profile!! only by clicking a very hidden function who says "untrusted feedback" unless that group of 10 people
or the ones trusted by them leaves you good feedback!, if not, no matter if your account has 50 trades and it's
1 year old, the feedback you send is "invisible" to everyone just like a 10 post account feedback!, same happens with the negative feedback.

What can get this? well this overpowers the group of 10 people wich their feedback can become visible,

*They can have a misunderstanding with any user outside that circle and do fraudulent activity without worrying about his
reputation to be damaged, as the trust of everyone outside them is "invisible".

*They can conspire between them to make a deal of not sending negative trust between them to became virtually "inmune"
no matter if the user outside the circle is reporting something real and fraudulent about one of them.

*As they really act like a team, they fight competition and can send invalid ng trust when their particular business profit is threaten.

So then we have this group of overpowered users who don't even  sites like ebay has , it could be ok with some particular forum system
acting as regulators, some mechanism where they should monitor every trade, but they don't even provide any insurance on any trade, they are not even part or staff of the forum!, if you are scammed, they will not help you in any way as ebay staff can do!, they are anonymous as any user on the forum.

The next problem is worst:

Besides making the trust system a monopoly and leaving new users not only as unsafe as first but now they are threaten as scammers easily.

But the main danger is as this trust circle is nothing related to a forum IDs validaded people or any similar insurance, they can become the worst
scammers taking advantage of the monopolized trust they have, and it has already happened and not one, tens of times!.

Just see the list of the banned users or scammers and you will see tens of accounts who had high green trust, even there are many "donators",
"vip" etc, as the already famous one "tradefortress" who was "VIP" and scammed over 2,000 bitcoins.

If we needed to clasify the form of government this forum has would't obviously be a Democracy but an Oligarchy, as this group of people
are overpowered and no one but only themselves can take away that power.

And the worst thing is the forum Staff spent 1,000 bitcoins on a forum software upgrade!! but they can't even change this flawed trust system.

BR!.

hahah good try!

As i warned him about revealing his scam operation he did, he searched over my trades post to conspiracy with his alt acc and have "something" for sending me neg trust before i reveal how scammer and fraudster is this user.

just see his "unstrusted feedback", his full of scam acusations from new members, and the only thing he do is to neg trust them so everyone believes the scammer was the other guy, this is a scammer with title beware.

If you are a new member never make trades with this forum user, you will end being scammed and also with neg trust.

Dont deal with this user, hes a scammer who built a false trust network to be scamming with impunity.

Better buy them from a reputable exchange or local bitcoins user.

no matter how many green numbers he has, yet hes a scammer.

fuck you, you are your scammy trust network build form jerks and nerds like you. lol, i will post when u scammed that time..

I will return you neg trust with other accounts asshole, so better you remove it.

well, i have this guy jon.viruete on skype and he says is a so called escrow..
why would i receive neg trust just for offering a guy?

so i need to be an expert on all the users on the forum to not receive neg trust?

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Thanks

I'm selling one of my augur accounts with 1800 REPS inside. pm.

Dumps are strong, i think it needs at least a couple of more strong pumps to create the necessary confidence to get to those numbers.

i will buy somewhere between 0.5 and 1 btc of this, seems promising.

Looks good, high hashrate and sometimes i hate bitcoin, bitcoin has made nothing in last 2 years , so i will join this  

Yeah but on this things you know the first or the main always get a huge share, just see the mcap of bitcoin compared to all the rest of alts.