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This is a really good idea.
It's like horse racing, only with gaming.
The thing is there are tons of things you need to consider. It would be too easy for gamers to throw games and get their friends to bet on the other guy to make big money through cheating. This is just one obstacle. A project like this has a million different things to think about before doing it.
I totally agree with you. Thank you for the response. Indeed, fairness is a big obstacle. I was thinking about using the statistics to prevent that. For example: If one player has a lower than normal statistic throughout the game, the game is cancelled. What things do you think are worth looking into? |
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Hey. Thank you for passing by, your opinion is much much appreciated. You're amazing!
I'm planning on doing the following in Europe:
Create a physical place of 24/7 gathering for gamers and gamblers where gamers can challenge each other and gamblers can bet on them (gamers too, but only on themselves). We provide HIGH END PC's and monitors for gaming, the gamers come up with their own periphericals (probably only mouse). It will be all automated meaning there's no need for employees besides security.
Why do you think that making the place 24/7 is going to be better than opening during normal hours? I just canīt picture lots of people feeling like playing eSports on a nearby venue Thrusday at 4 am if you know what I mean. Thank you for the response. I was a hardcore gamer back then, it's easy to go 24 hours straight playing and I know many people that do it aswell. Imagine if you can get money for playing! it sounds interesting, but I think you should give something more interesting than you offer here. we know there are so many gambling industries available today, they race to be the best and try get the most users in the gambling industries.
The gambling is much too large for the cryptocurrency to make it a new thing. The only thing different would be the payment system. Thank you for the response. I totally agree with you. Gambling would be just one branch in that project. There're few more things I'm interested in doing too! |
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This mode does have a lot of real world competition.
There are indeed many such gamers/gamblers meetups in real world and there are plenty more online platforms that provides offline gaming-online gambling or online gaming-online gambling models.
After some researching, I couldn't find any. Do you have any in mind? I already have something like that in my city. Every thursday gamers gather in the internet cafe and make their own small tournament depositing some money to make a prize for the winner. People can't bet on them but I'm sure that such betting won't be popular. Also accepting only cryptos is a bad move. It is good if people wil desire to bet in cryptos but there is no need to force them.
- Why are people going to bet on people who they don't know?
And they won't simply because they wont trust that the match is fair, especially on the local level. Thats gona kill all the fun.
My idea is to have it working 24/7 non stop - around 15-20 matches per game (60-70 matches per day). I chose crypto's because it's better legal wise but I have to research further. I agree. I'm still thinking about how to make it fair. Do you have any suggestions? it sounds interesting, but I think you should give something more interesting than you offer here. we know there are so many gambling industries available today, they race to be the best and try get the most users in the gambling industries.
Thank you. From what I've seen, there's nothing like this at the moment, besides some online eSports betting websites with tournaments. Maybe it's a sign that it's not viable. |
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What kind of gamers are you looking to get to play against each other? Actual professional gamers or amateurs?
It'll be pretty difficult to find people who would be willing to play in what's basically a casino, I don't think it's a good idea to try and get people to come over to a physical place and have gamblers make bets on those matches.
I really doubt that the quality of those games would be enough and how would you even calculate the odds, if you're not working with professional teams? Or will you pay pro's to come and play there?
What are your thoughts about coming them over to a physical place? Mostly amateurs that have good skills, that's why they're going to show off in online games first and go to the physical place later to play on LAN. The odds are going to be calculated with statistics from online matches. I guess there're going to be professional teams too if the payout is enough. If they can get 50-100$ a day each, it's not that bad for a gamer. What you are trying to create already exists and is called either ESWC , dreamhack , All stars or the challenges that in any comic con or gatherings alike and you are just trying to reinvent the wheel while doing this project , even the gambling idea about such people does already exists and lots of either bitcoin or fiat casinos has integrated such bets in their lists .
Such sports are highly penetrable by people that want to change the result of such games for their own profit though and any team that lacks sponsors or funding will be happily accepting a 100k dollars deal to loose a certain game over winning it and loosing the next one and getting out of the competition empty pocketed ..
I understand what you're saying and those are tournaments. What I'm thinking about is doing a 24/7 place for gaming. Imagine 24/7 matches and tournaments. I agree, I'm still thinking about fairness. |
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How are you planning to attract gamers to your "physical" place? Why should they be interested visiting this place? Will you allow them to earn money or something?
Depends on how we'd market it. But the incentives are money and fame. They'd get money from the bets and also the possibility to know new people and attract organizations we're going to work with (which means sponsorship and possibility to play in international leagues). The eSports industry is underdeveloped from my point of view and there's a lot that can be done. |
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As long as many casinos or sport bookies offer me to bet on esports without the need to come to your place to bet on some strangers who are playing for their honor and glory against each other, I would rather bet from the comfort of my couch at my dark room where I feel cozy.
Still as an idea is a good one but I don't think it will interest to many gamblers. Gamblers prefer to play in full anonymity , what you are going to do is to destroy anonymity if you will gather gamblers at your place.
I understand what you feel, great point. That's why there's going to be an online option to make bets  To be honest, it's even better to not have gamblers in the place. Too many emotions running around and you never know what can happen. |
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Bump! |
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Hey. Thank you for passing by, your opinion is much much appreciated. You're amazing!
I'm planning on doing the following in Europe:
Create a physical place of 24/7 gathering for gamers and gamblers where gamers can challenge each other and gamblers can bet on them (gamers too, but only on themselves). We provide HIGH END PC's and monitors for gaming, the gamers come up with their own periphericals (probably only mouse). It will be all automated meaning there's no need for employees besides security.
The bets can be placed only with crypto's, our own token (to reduce fees and be able to pay inside our place for other products) and in-game virtual items. NEVER with FIAT.
There's going to be a possibility to create bets online too, because every game is going to be streamed and is going to have a webcam aswell. Besides that, there's going to be online challenges to bet on.
The questions arise:
- Why are people going to bet on people who they don't know?
We plan to make it available for gamers who passed the online "training", as you could call, to be able participate in physical places. This gives the gamblers statistics to rely on.
- What are the incentives for gamers?
One of them is the possibility to make them known in eSports, connect with people in real life, invitations to our (or sponsored) tournaments and earn money from the bets (they get a percentage from the pool).
- What about the cheats?
There shouldn't be any cheats in offline gatherings, but everything is possible if they use a mouse to inject a cheat through drivers. For online, there will be an anti-cheat developed and have a lot of monitoring.
- Isn't too competitive in the industry?
There's no competition in real life for such kind of things, only if the existing gambling places catch up, also, the industry is growing rapidly. In my opinion, having the amount of experience I got in eSports - there's a lot of growth if you have good vision in mind and consider other factors other than just playing. It's just much more than that. Besides that, there's a lot of room for professionalism, getting shit done and good websites.
- What's up with the legal side?
We're looking into this. There's a big controversy because of using crypto's. If there's any lawyer here, feel free to hit me up. I think that there's a workaround given the availability to use in-game virtual items for gambling.
- How are you going to get money?
On bets transaction fee's, other products and sponsors.
Problems:
- Fairness: How to make the game as fair as possible so there's little to no penetration? Make the players anonymous?
I'd like to know your opinions. Thanks!
Would you be interested in something like this?
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Hey. Thank you for passing by, your opinion is much much appreciated. You're amazing!
I'm planning on doing the following in Europe:
Create a physical place of 24/7 gathering for gamers and gamblers where gamers can challenge each other and gamblers can bet on them (gamers too, but only on themselves). We provide HIGH END PC's and monitors for gaming, the gamers come up with their own periphericals (probably only mouse). It will be all automated meaning there's no need for employees besides security.
The bets can be placed only with crypto's, our own token (to reduce fees and be able to pay inside our place for other products) and in-game virtual items. NEVER with FIAT.
There's going to be a possibility to create bets online too, because every game is going to be streamed and is going to have a webcam aswell. Besides that, there's going to be online challenges to bet on.
The questions arise:
- Why are people going to bet on people who they don't know?
We plan to make it available for gamers who passed the online "training", as you could call, to be able participate in physical places. This gives the gamblers statistics to rely on.
- What are the incentives for gamers?
One of them is the possibility to make them known in eSports, connect with people in real life, invitations to our (or sponsored) tournaments and earn money from the bets (they get a percentage from the pool).
- What about the cheats?
There shouldn't be any cheats in offline gatherings, but everything is possible if they use a mouse to inject a cheat through drivers. For online, there will be an anti-cheat developed and have a lot of monitoring.
- Isn't too competitive in the industry?
There's no competition in real life for such kind of things, only if the existing gambling places catch up, also, the industry is growing rapidly. In my opinion, having the amount of experience I got in eSports - there's a lot of growth if you have good vision in mind and consider other factors other than just playing. It's just much more than that. Besides that, there's a lot of room for professionalism, getting shit done and good websites.
- What's up with the legal side?
We're looking into this. There's a big controversy because of using crypto's. If there's any lawyer here, feel free to hit me up. I think that there's a workaround given the availability to use in-game virtual items for gambling.
- How are you going to get money?
On bets transaction fee's, other products and sponsors.
Problems:
- Fairness: How to make the game as fair as possible so there's little to no penetration? Make the players anonymous?
We could use stastistics to prevent throwing. If the player has lower than normal statistics throughout the game, the betting is cancelled.
I'd like to know your opinions. Thanks!
Would you be interested in something like this?
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Thank you for passing by, I'm a newbie in trading. Given the market's volatility.
What do you usually use and how do you fine tune it?
MACD - How to fine tune it?
RSI - How to fine tune it?
EMA / MA (20D,50D,200D) - How'd you use it?
What else should I be using? I'm relying on volume indicators, highs and lows, FIB retracement and triangles. It's working out for me at the moment, "easy" 30% per day despite correction.
Thank you!
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Hey. Thank you for passing by, your opinion is much much appreciated. You're amazing!
I'm planning on doing the following in Europe:
Create a physical place of 24/7 gathering for gamers and gamblers where gamers can challenge each other and gamblers can bet on them (gamers too, but only on themselves). We provide HIGH END PC's and monitors for gaming, the gamers come up with their own periphericals (probably only mouse). It will be all automated meaning there's no need for employees besides security.
The bets can be placed only with crypto's, our own token (to reduce fees and be able to pay inside our place for other products) and in-game virtual items. NEVER with FIAT.
There's going to be a possibility to create bets online too, because every game is going to be streamed and is going to have a webcam aswell. Besides that, there's going to be online challenges to bet on.
The questions arise:
- Why are people going to bet on people who they don't know?
We plan to make it available for gamers who passed the online "training", as you could call, to be able participate in physical places. This gives the gamblers statistics to rely on.
- What are the incentives for gamers?
One of them is the possibility to make them known in eSports, connect with people in real life, invitations to our (or sponsored) tournaments and earn money from the bets (they get a percentage from the pool).
- What about the cheats?
There shouldn't be any cheats in offline gatherings, but everything is possible if they use a mouse to inject a cheat through drivers. For online, there will be an anti-cheat developed and have a lot of monitoring.
- Isn't too competitive in the industry?
There's no competition in real life for such kind of things, only if the existing gambling places catch up, also, the industry is growing rapidly. In my opinion, having the amount of experience I got in eSports - there's a lot of growth if you have good vision in mind and consider other factors other than just playing. It's just much more than that. Besides that, there's a lot of room for professionalism, getting shit done and good websites.
- What's up with the legal side?
We're looking into this. There's a big controversy because of using crypto's. If there's any lawyer here, feel free to hit me up. I think that there's a workaround given the availability to use in-game virtual items for gambling.
- How are you going to get money?
On bets transaction fee's, other products and sponsors.
Problems:
- Fairness: How to make the game as fair as possible so there's little to no penetration? Make the players anonymous?
We could use stastistics to prevent throwing. If the player has lower than normal statistics throughout the game, the betting is cancelled.
I'd like to know your opinions. Thanks!
Would you be interested in something like this?
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Thank you for the reply everyone, I agree with you. Any other opinions? How'd you handle it?
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Let's say there's an ICO with a great idea behind the project, the team is passionate about it and explains it thoroughly, it's cool. The website looks neat too and the people who're behind said project give a feeling of looking out for you, they care about you and you start trusting them.
The issue is that they don't have enough funds to attract a good team, reviews and they don't even have an MVP, so the first thing they do is say the community "Listen guys, we got this idea, and we're doing a VALIDATION process for the idea" which means: see if there's an interest in the project by the funds raised for a small cap (for example 100.000$) and if they're not raised - they're giving all the money back 100% guarantee.
In case of the validation process being successful: they're able to attract the needed team and start their journey.
Now, instead of doing an ICO, they develop the project in stages, basically making them more accountable for what they do.
1st stage: 500.000$ (or an exact price needed for the completion of said stage) - We create this and this. How, why and when are thoroughly explained.
After the completion of the 1st stage, only then they move on to the 2nd stage and ask another 500.000$. Same thing
3rd stage: same
How'd you value such honesty? Would you invest in it?
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Bump. Still looking for ideas!
Thank you.
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If you provide an ICO service to an American citizen, you may face a problem with American law, so it's not a wise decision, friend.
Indeed. But not if it's made totally legal. For example: mask it as something else but have the same principle as an ICO in the end. It depends on your marketing team. An ICO can be established anywhere and can target any specific market. Try to make an idea that the US citizen would be interested in that way you can make an ICO for a specific target.
That's not an issue. The issue is the law of participation in ICO's for U.S citizens. |
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Nothing much can be done. Plus, why should ICOs care? Whether money go to the ICO or afterwards the money flood on the exchanges it is the same thing. Price goes up.
It can be. People just have to think outside the box. Easier said than done, I know. It doesn't has to be in the form of an ICO like we all know, it can be something else. |
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Thank you for replying. Very interesting.
I was talking more about the ICO success itself, independent of the technology.
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There's an issue with U.S citizens participation in ICO's because of SEC. Maybe it's possible to present the ICO in a such way that it doesn't violate the U.S law? From my perspective, ICO's are nothing less than a kickstarter and kickstarters are legal. As you guys got much more experience than me in this field, I'd like to know your opinion. Thank you |
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The title says it all. I'm curious about what you've seen given the amount of expertise you guys got here. Edit: Successful in the way of raising funds at the beginning. Thanks! |
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