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1  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Total noob, late in the game thinking about terra hashing with friends? on: November 27, 2013, 01:51:37 AM
I'm pretty sure we are sticking with AMT and just dealing with the wait, they are located less than 5 hours from my house which is always a bonus.  1.2 Tb/s may not be data center grade but i'd consider it more than the average joe especially in the pools i've been operating in it seems like the top miners are running just over a terahash... I gotta try it! But i'm definitely going to recalculate everything lets say around 100$ bitcoin to usd conversion to stay more realistic. Our original source for data miners is seeming more like a scam so I'll deal with the wait and go directly to the manufacturer. 

I'll expect to loose my ass if it makes anyone feel better! 

With how overpriced mining equipment is on ebay think about what a 1.2 AMT would sell for if we threw the equipment up..... They have 1 th/s rig on there for 12k right now which is ridiculously overpriced for 1 th/s even 2 th/s....

Great input guys!
2  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Total noob, late in the game thinking about terra hashing with friends? on: November 27, 2013, 01:09:14 AM
I'm still curious to see how the "fee's" are going to come in play once the coining slows down majorly (i know its getting more complex as we mine more data

it was on the bitcoining mining data wiki

"Additionally, the miner is awarded the fees paid by users sending transactions. The fee is an incentive for the miner to include the transaction in their block. In the future, as the number of new bitcoins miners are allowed to create in each block dwindles, the fees will make up a much more important percentage of mining income."


Anyone care to speculate how this is gonna work well into the future?
3  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Total noob, late in the game thinking about terra hashing with friends? on: November 27, 2013, 01:02:51 AM
Thats what i was reading on reddit, about the poor shipping timelines and overpromising. I'm looking at AMT Mid to late february, VMC Sometime in february


you mentioned all the other ones so ya, february if not later.

Thanks guys for the replies!

4  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Total noob, late in the game thinking about terra hashing with friends? on: November 26, 2013, 11:37:34 PM
Excellent post! I understand a lot of people are saying its dead and you can only make money now from buying bitcoin but the more people repeat it the less I believe it. 

By anchance does anyone know who is making a miner in the tera hash ranges that is shipping beginning of december or soon?
5  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Total noob, late in the game thinking about terra hashing with friends? on: November 26, 2013, 10:50:18 PM
We actually are retaining a lawyer at the cost of about $2000

Justin is paying for the electricity on 2 of the miners and i'm paying for electricity for the smaller miner at my location, Miners are on uninterruptible power supplies to protect from power outages and lightning strikes.

Profits split is 55% to our un-named head investor, 35% to my friend justin who is gonna manage the system and 10% to me who is setting up and maintaining the system. There is a small chance of fires or burglary but we'll do our best to circumvent that

Tax implications.... I suppose I should do some more research tonight

Liability is our huge concern, we would set it up as an LLC to isolate ourselves from business as much as possible and hopefully any legal counsel we have between now and then helps us dot T's and Cross I's


I am currently drafting a "business plan/portfolio" outlining the operation so hopefully that will help flush out any weak areas that need further research


We are currently also seeking who all has terra hash miners in stock 5-6k$ range RIGHT now, We don't want to rely on one source but it seems that they are all gone till about january. Anyone have any leads???
6  Other / Beginners & Help / Total noob, late in the game thinking about terra hashing with friends? on: November 26, 2013, 08:48:30 PM
A couple of friends and I have come across the opportunity to accumulate 2.8 th/s worth of mining equipment a mix of AMT and Hashfast machines that we can physically put our hands on no preorder. We would like to start a small company solely mining bitcoins and are definitely going to need more advice on how... I've been pool mining on bitminter because It was just ridiculously simple to do with no setup. I started playing around with writing a CFG file for phoenix but have not finished reading up on all of that and getting it tweaked right.

We thought about the ethos of starting a solo mining operation but with the crazy spike in terrahashing we saw throughout november we figured maybe it would be best to stay in a pool such a bitminter and profit off our combined computing power? I'm still researching the advantages versus disadvantages of poolmining. I looked at the bit wiki pool comparison chart and feel pretty good about staying on this pool.

 
We will be running 2 miners at one location as "workers" and one miner here. I'm not sure what clients will run on what hardware yet but i'm confident i'll figure that out when I get there. I've only been mining and reading up on bitcoins now for about a month, some of my friends have been playing with it since 2010. None of us are too familiar with the different ways you can turn bitcoin into USD but more specifically how to setup automatic payouts. Ideally we'd like to cash our "coins" out with some frequency say once every 2 weeks or every time it hit a certain percentage of a coin. I imagine this is where trading on Mt Gox or one of the other exchanges comes in... None of us have done that yet either.

It might seem really short sighted for a group of guys to jump right in but it's an opportunity that opened up and we haven't much time left to act. I need any and all advice from anyone who is out there mining with friends in a business.  We've been using this calculator and it seems plausible!

http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/

Bitcoin difficulty 609,482,680
Bitcoins per Block (BTC/block) 25.00
Conversion rate (USD/BTC) 797.98
Hash rate 2.8 Th/s
Electricity rate (USD/kWh) .28
Power consumption (W) 1650 watts
Time frame (months) 1
Cost of mining hardware (USD) $14000
Profitability decline per year .61


Hardware break even   9 days
Net profit first time frame   39639.08 USD (1 month) even if we made half of that we'd be satisfied
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