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Ma intereseaza cum reusesc bancile sa-si dea seama cand se fac transferurile/platile pentru achizitia de cryptomonede?
Vad titularii conturilor in care trimiti banii. Exchange-urile sunt companii si au conturi deschise la banci sub forma juridica (societate). Acolo se vede ce societate e si ce domeniu de activitate are. Probabil au si ei listele cu toate exchange-urile cu ce conturi bancare au. |
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Salutare! Cea mai buna metoda este sa incarci contul tau de revolut. In pasul urmator, poti sa-ti faci cont pe https://vtrader.io. Acolo poti transfera din revolut pe IBAN-ul nostru si banii ti se vor converti in USDT (la cursul afisat pe site). Cheers!! Legat de motivele pentru care se intampla asta: este o politica a bancilor. BNR nu reglementeaza explicit criptomonedele in vreun fel, insa au avut cateva comunicate negative la adresa criptomonedelor. Ulterior, bancile au decis sa adopte aceste politici impotriva criptomonedelor. Cred insa ca e doar o chestiune de timp. Nu pot sa fie inchisi la minte for ever!  Nu e vorba ca sunt inchisi la minte. Aceasta tehnologie le cam ameninta beneficiile si profiturile.pe care bancancile internationale le obtin in deosebi in tari ca Romania, dar vorba ta, nu o pot amana pana la nesfarsit, o sa adopte si ei aceste tehnologii. [/quote] De vină sunt şi instituţiile rigide din România (BNR spre exemplu şi Ministerul de Finanţe). În străinătate sunt bănci care se împacă bine cu crypto (vezi Fidor Bank spre ex). Bitcoin nu ameninţă foarte tare băncile. Am vorbit cu un prieten din elveţia care lucrează la departamentul de risk de la UBS bank, care mi-a explicat cum piaţa asta nu înseamnă încă nimic pentru marile bănci. Antreprenor fiind în această piaţă, sper să îi ameninţe la un moment dat şi să avem parte de un mass-adoption  . [/quote] Cred ca nu realizezi ca a inceput transferul puterii din mana bancilor intr-un sistem descentralizat si independent. Sunt si ei constienti de pierderea puterii si incearca pe tot posibiliul sa impiedice acest transfer. Momentan se face transferul propriu-zis din fiat in crypto, preturile nu arata decat viteza cu care se face si magnitudinea, pretul este "barometrul" cu care masori cat de mult s-a devalorizat sistemul bancar. Va fi o lupta acerba. De asta incearca pe toate caile posibile sa stopeze transferurile, desi este illegal sa iti impuna cum sa iti cheltui banii. De acord sa impui reguli cum sa cheltui la cardurile luate pe credit sau finantari, dar problema e cand blocheaza cardul de debit. Eu personal nu am mai vandut din 2017, de atunci doar acumulez din minerit. Ideea e ca o data ce ai cumparat este esential sa nu mai te intorci inapoi in valuta. Bancile sunt singura reala amenintare pentru bitcoin. |
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Riscant sa tii fondurile in astfel de firme.
Am folosit de cateva ori coinflux cand a avut bitcoin acel hype.
Am vandut o parte din crypto aproape de varful preturilor, dar am si retras cash-ul automat.
Nu tin mai mult de cateva ore fondurile in exchange-uri, fie in cash fie in crypto, riscurile sunt imense pentru firme care nu au experienta in domeniul financiar bancar, logistica si mai ales piedicile puse de banci sunt prea riscante.
Eu va recomand doar sa cumparati bitcoin si sa nu mai schimbati niciodata in valute. Tineti-va bine de bitcoin, ca va veni vremea cand o sa il puteti folosi in orice domeniu sau circumstante, inclusiv sa platiti facturi cu bitcoin.
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Fii atent! In 31.12.2011 , au fost exact 8 milioane de bitcoin deja mineriti de la inceptia bitcoinului in 2008. Nimeni, repet, nimeni nu este cunoscut din perioada aceea care a strans bitcoinii aceia 8 milioane. Cel putin nimeni din figurile publice pe care le vezi in lumea cryptomonedelor. Majoritatea persoanelor publice au venit dupa 2011. Exista totusi Nick Szabo, care este in tema inainte de 2011. Printre aceia care detin bitcoin exista si grupul care l-a inventat. O parte din 8 milioane au fost preluati si de foarte putine persoane care au citit White Paper-ul. Primele persoane care au inceput sa il foloseasca au fost pe Darknet "da pe google search pentru mai multe informatii despre "silkroad". O buna parte din acei 8 milioane de bitcoini este detinuta de grupuri foarte restranse " tu ii numesti balene" La fel de adevarat este si faptul ca multe din acele wallet'uri nu sunt active, dar o parte au fost active, nu poti stii cu siguranta cat si cand o sa vanda. Dar, aceia pot manipula preturile dupa pofta lor. Daca esti speculant, atunci trebuie sa iei in considerare ca poti in orice zi sa pierzi din valoare macar cel putin 40% , si vice-versa e posibil. In orice caz, fie ca esti broker si faci trading, fie ca e vorba de cryptomonede, peste tot este o doza de manipulare de jucatori grei. In mod cert, in cryptoworld e net superior si riscant comparativ cu pietele financiare "vechi". Ca sa iti faci idee ce inseamna 8 miliioane de bitcoini?! La momentul actual estimativ, doar 10% din totalul prezent al bitcoinilor circula pe la exchange-uri, mas or menos cca. 1.7 mil se rotesc prin exchange-uri din totalul de 17 mil existenti. Am rotunjit putin numerele sa iti faci idee ce inseamna 8 mil de bitcoini detinuti de "balene" cum le zici tu  . Practic la nivel global sunt rotiti 2 mil de bitcoini pentru toti cei implicati in crypto, de 4 ori mai putini bitcoini decat cei mineriti intre 2008-2011. |
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Au directive de la bancile centrale, din moment ce bitcoin e in competitie cu banii lor. Povestile cu spalari de bani si plati pentru droguri sunt stiri menite sa estompeze cat pot de mult adoptia bitcoinului. Puteti sa le lasati un mesaj dupa ce va inchid conturile sa le spuneti ca spalarile de bani se fac prin intermediul cumpararii de licente bancare si opereaza legal si fac trasnferuri bancare de miliarde de dolari prin conturi off-shore. Poate ajunge mesajul asta si la Isarescu, stie el cum sta treaba cu spalarea banilor ca trece si semnatura lui cand isi da acordul pentru a oferi licente bancare la tot felul de "banci" sa opereze in Romania. |
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My fix was -eres 0 , for gtx 1060 3gb, and this is important...do not close miner if you get errors, it will try reconnect several times, after a while miners will start w/o error.
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OP is forgetting that the 10 million mined that he's talking about was sold and redistributed among other people. People who mined 1000 bitcoins each very rarely are still holding. Their coins could already have thousands of users if not more. Also, we don't know the number of lost coins, we can only estimate based on the coins that aren't moving. My coins didn't move for 3 years, are they lost?
Too bad i deleted my list with 2 mil bitcoins that was mined from 2008 to 2010, that was not moved from wallets, why you are so sure they sold ? Maybe they just split wallets. Hard to believe they can sell for fiat so many bitcoins. |
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Let say bitcoin price will reach 2000$, what will happen with miners? Will they afford to still pay electricity to mine it? And yes, is very strange the way bitcoin is mined now, with a lot of equipments who cost large amount to mine bitcoin. The difficulty will always increase and never goes down?
And what will happen when all bitcoin will be mined? How will confirmation work then?
Miners are a dynamic entity, they can shutdown anytime they want their rigs, difficulty also will react dynamically , so, price can go to 10 dollars, miners will react acordingly, they shutoff they rigs if is not profitable for them. But will never shut down all in the same time, it's a dynamic entitity. Me, i can use bitcoin same way at any price whatsoever, problem is that e-commerce industry cannot join this electronic cash system because of volatility. As the guy says earlier, manipulation can last forever, as long as 10mil bitcoins are owned by some small groups of people. If bitcoin goes to 100k, they still have 10mil bitcoins and they manipulate prices at any point in future. |
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Even tough anything could be possible and we could all be a part of a big scam, but I doubt that and your statements aren't very accurate.
First of all, the difficulty of mining the early Bitcoin was very low and since Bitcoin had pretty much no value for some time, mining was rewarded with bigger rewards and that's when the most of the Bitcoins were mined. Nobody could have knew that they would make huge money if they holded their mined Bitcoins, so most of those Bitcoins aren't in their miners wallets for a long time now.
Ahahaha you just put concrete to my statement, difficulty is another argument how easy was in first 2-3 years to mine 10mil bitcoins by small groups of people, when nobody knew about mining, only in 2012 people waked up and starting to mine. By that time, half of bitcoins where already mined, imagine what will happen if they decide today to sell 3mil bitcoin, where the price will go? And still they have another 7-8 milions of bitcoin mined for free almost. |
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I do not understand your question very well, are you saying that it is a scam because before it was easier to mine? if so, that happens with any resource, for example, gold could be easily removed from the rivers, now you need a whole company and miners to mine the material, while a resource is discovered only some take advantage of their early stage while establishing its position in the market.
Gold was spread over the world in the ground, it couldn't be mined by small groups . Bitcoin wasn't equally distributed. Only small groups got them in first 3 years. If they wanted to be a fair currency, they could write bitcoin core to release reward in equal amount proportion. Not 50 btc at every 10 minutes at beginning when nobody knew about it. |
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So, those small groups who knew about it, they mined Bitcoin almost for free in large proportion.
Your forgot small detail here. Noone could expect Bitcoin will gain so huge price in so short time. Because of that even pioneers who mined 10 000 bitcoins on their single home CPU spend their 10 000 bitcoin on pizza and were very happy about it that it worked. That their coins actually was worth ANYTHING. You could develop it like this, to have most bitcoin first, but it could be easily worth nothing in time. Bitcoin turns out true technological revolution. Actually those 2 pizza's was bought way later, if i am not wrong was in 2012, btc was 60 cents if i remember. by that time 12mil btc was mined, and frankly price can go even lower then that, if they sell. Maybe in future you won't buy even 2 pizza's with 15k bitcoins, believe me, the way was created bitcoin is a hard work from different expertise, they knew where the bitcoin will go, that's why i ask myself why they didn't make reward equal. There's no other justification other then, they wanted to get first 10 mil quick. |
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Well, there was the earlier adopters, those who don't mine them almost for free, buy them for really low prices, is what you get when you believe in a new project who isn't popular yet. It was about luck, those who join to cryptos in 2009 or 2010 had good luck, and those who hold their coins for this 10 years was wise... but those who buy pizza for 10,000 btc doesn't have the right vision If the creators had good intention and wise, they could written bitcoin core to establish an equal amount of satoshi's for every 10 mins of block reward during entire 130 years, till bitcoin fully released its bitcoin. This is what i want to point at. Is a fact what i say. Imagine how can they manipulate prices, if small groups own more then 70% of bitcoins. |
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Hi there,
As title say, the only one reason in my analyses that made me aware about how Bitcoin was created.
In the core of creation, bitcoin core was set to be mined in first 3-4 years about 70%.
So, those small groups who knew about it, they mined Bitcoin almost for free in large proportion. Between 2008 and 2012, at that time the Bitcoin didn't had even a price, only in 2011-2012 was used in DarkWeb, only in 2012-2013 first exchange was launched and price of bitcoin took in place.
By that time, more then 10 mil bitcoin were mined almost for free, only cost of mining, but difficulty was very low. If you remember, in 2011-2012 masses started to build mining rigs, remember this happen after more then 10mil bitcoin were already mined.
After 2011, many lost wallets, around 4mil bitcoins estimated.
Today we are at 17.3mil, if you exclude those 10mil+4mil lost, you realize that only few percentage reach masses.
I cannot say this is a scam 100%, because the way is secured network is amazing, the way how was establish reward for miners is for me a certain Signal of a scam.
Don't take me as a panic spreader, i just wan't to put people aware of what is going on here, especially for those traders who buy for speculation, they can lose alot of money, because they do not understand how bitcoin network was programmed in the core.
So, what i want to say,
YES, bitcoin network can last forever, also price can be manipulated even if mass adoption occurs. Because those who got bitcoin before 2012 can sell every time they want.
For sure bitcoin can go back to 20k, as it can go back to 2012 prices.
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Ethereum will surpass bitcoin till end of this year.
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Better make a topic " best crypto to invest to lose all your money" |
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Wrong, my alt coins will see the biggest gains in 2020, not your coins |
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I would rather moderate amount of coins to be traded by individuals per day. So the volatility will decrease.
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Why you moved this post to economy>marketplace>services ? Shouldn't be at project development?
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You may (although no guarantees) receive more clicks to your thread and website hits if you correct the thread title to:
"Yet, another website to check prices."
Indeed, i was too auto-ironic with that title, because i am sure there are plenty of websites in the space. @jane567 Yeah, no bootstrap design, is pretty much simple design, nothing special. I will focus in future to open a full node with block explorer for website, just a simple search bar for checking wallets balances. |
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Thanks for first feed backs, yeah i try to keep things simple in terms of design, there is not much things i can really design, i don't want to exceed overdesign it. I really want to be 2 taps to change first 5 coins from mobile menu. And maybe i'll add a widget with top 100 currencies in sidebar.
CMC style list i will add, but those are not real live refresh prices, so users have to refresh website all the time. The header top coins have live prices embedded into header. It makes much more user friendly for visitors, they can keep tracking prices without effort.
I cannot add block explorer for bitcoin on this server to serve a small search bar for checking wallets balances.
But in the future when i add another machine to cluster i will develop a block explorer from bitcoin core. I really want to be more price check related then graphs and history related. Thanks again guys for oppinions.
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