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1  Other / Bitcoin Wiki / Re: Request edit privileges here on: June 03, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
Hi Everyone, I'm Guzman from Luxor.

Would like to get my account activated to be able to post in the Bitcoin Wiki, my username is guzman

Cheers!
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / -- Archived -- on: August 29, 2019, 01:17:34 AM
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3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Efudd's Z-Series Fuddware v2.2/2.3 Discussion Thread/ Z11 now supported (2.3) on: May 18, 2019, 04:13:24 AM
Luxor's Announcement regarding the partnership with Efudd!  Shocked

https://medium.com/@LuxorTechTeam/unlock-your-asic-potential-with-efudd-x-luxor-672e73a1d185
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Luxor - The Best Looking Mining Pool GUI! on: March 09, 2019, 11:26:43 PM
At Luxor, we released a new version of our Graphical User Interface!

It includes features such as:

  • Individual Worker Revenue
  • Smart Data Cards
  • Detailed Statistics
  • Snappier site optimizations
  • Fully Mobile Responsive

We also added user accounts, which initially will only work for GRIN users, but we plan on rolling that out to more coins in the coming weeks.

Users will be able to set their own auto-payout thresholds and have the ability to hide their statistics from the general public.

We recently launched a Discord Mining Bot, check it out here.

Landing Page


Miner Dashboard Page


We're currently a Promotional 0% Monero PPS for 1 month!


Thanks again for mining at Luxor, and as always, Happy Hashing!
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Grin | PoW Mining | Electronic transactions for all. Community driven. on: February 02, 2019, 06:37:24 PM
Luxor's GRIN Mining Pool

At Luxor we’ve been following MimbleWimble and Grin in particular for a few months now. We’re very excited to join the Grin community as we share some of its core values: Decentralization & True Privacy.

We want to see this project thrive, that’s why we decided to support this project by creating a high-quality mining pool.

On top of that we set aside a few hours of our team to do some research about Grin and put along a few interesting articles to help the community:

    Grin: The First MimbleWimble Implementation

    How to start mining GRIN

    How to install and run a Grin Node + Wallet

    Luxor x BitMesh Withdrawal Guide

We decided to donate to the Core-Devs to continue funding development! We’re thrilled to become Grin’s Friends.

We also developed a mining calculator for C29, C31, and C32: http://grin.luxor.tech/statistics

Looking forward to seeing everyone at our Discord Channel and keep talking about Grin & MimbleWimble.


#HappyHashing

LuxorTechTeam
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Grin Mining (Cuckoo Cycle) on: February 02, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
Luxor's GRIN Mining Pool

At Luxor we’ve been following MimbleWimble and Grin in particular for a few months now. We’re very excited to join the Grin community as we share some of its core values: Decentralization & True Privacy.

We want to see this project thrive, that’s why we decided to support this project by creating a high-quality mining pool. We’re releasing our first iteration of User Accounts along with the Grin Mining Pool!

On top of that we set aside a few hours of our team to do some research about Grin and put along a few interesting articles to help the community:

    Grin: The First MimbleWimble Implementation

    How to start mining GRIN

    How to install and run a Grin Node + Wallet

    Luxor x BitMesh Withdrawal Guide

We decided to donate to the Core-Devs to continue funding development! We’re thrilled to become Grin’s Friends.

We also developed a mining calculator for C29, C31, and C32: http://grin.luxor.tech/statistics

Looking forward to seeing everyone at our Discord Channel and keep talking about Grin & MimbleWimble.


#HappyHashing

LuxorTechTeam
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: June 23, 2018, 05:48:31 PM
Luxor Mining Pool - mining.luxor.tech/monero


True Pay-Per-Share Pool, don’t worry about block time or effort
Payout threshold 0.1 Monero
Payout frequency: hourly
NiceHash Support
Enterprise Class Player
Proven track record in the pool industry
Geo-distributed nodes (US, EU and ASIA)
English and Spanish support for miners


Nodes:
xmr-us.luxor.tech:8888
xmr-eu.luxor.tech:8888
xmr-asia.luxor.tech:8888


XMR-Stak URL Download: https://github.com/fireice-uk/xmr-stak/releases

Here’s a sample command:

"pool_list" :
[
   {"pool_address" : "xmr-us.luxor.tech:8888", "wallet_address" : "YourWalletAddress.RigIdentifier", "rig_id" : "", "pool_password" : "x", "use_nicehash" : false, "use_tls" : false, "tls_fingerprint" : "", "pool_weight" : 1 },
],

"currency" : "cryptonight_v7",


Detailed Setup Guide: https://medium.com/@LuxorTechTeam/monero-luxor-mining-pool-setup-guide-6d7d32c89cf3


Having issues? We’re on Discord. Ping us there at https://discord.gg/AcEfhDZ


Also, follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/LuxorTechTeam


Happy Hashing!
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Dragonmint B29 Decred Miner on: May 10, 2018, 12:27:14 PM
So I have (2) B29 Dragonmint miners to mine Decred and hooked them up for the past few days. According to Awesome Miner and the miner status page on my local IP, they're hashing at 2.4TH/s and very stable (low reject rate and HW errors). But on the Decred pool (I'm on coinmine.pl pool), they're not stable at all...hashing all over the place from 1.5TH/s to 2.1TH/s. Sometimes it goes up for a while but then will come back down.

I'm assuming this is not normal but I don't know what could cause this? The miners seem to be hashing fine from what I can tell but it's just the pool I'm having issue with. Any ideas what might be causing this?

I have the same issue... awsomeminer showing full hash rate but coinmine showing highly variable... hash rate does come up when I reboot the miner.  I also tried Supernova pool but don't but get a higher number of rejects.  Also the miner seems to be stuck on "auto-tuning" mode indefinitely.  Is that normal?

Halongs are bumping their performance within their UI. You're not actually hashing at 2.4 TH/s.

Feel free to try mining.luxor.tech pool Smiley PPS, transparent and reliable.
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: 2.1T 900W, Innosilicon Blake256 D9 DecredMaster/ 3.83T 1380W, S11 SiaMaster on: April 21, 2018, 03:02:28 PM
I ordered one of each, even tho paying with btc I had to pay extra because their usd/btc rate wasn't set right, it was the most convenient way for me to pay. I had ordered 1x A4+ from them before as my only previous experience with buying from Innosilicon.

Wish me luck!

Consider joining Luxor Mining Pool! PPS and PPLNS pools that are community focused and have awesome miner support! Smiley
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Halong Mining Dragonmint Miner Legit or not! Post orders to see if scam!!! on: April 19, 2018, 04:24:53 PM
I finally got my b29 I ordered and I must say it is the nicest asic miner I've seen. It is smaller then the antminers and a lot quieter too. The power supply is also very nice because they give you a little bit extra cable length unlike bitmain's power supplies. The GUI is also very nice and allows for automatic firmware updating along with a built in tuning feature. I wish they allowed for some manual overclocks but they said they will be adding new features to their software in the near future.

Nice! Checkout mining.luxor.tech if you're looking for a community focused PPS pool. Cheers!
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: NiceHash Mining Lbry on: April 19, 2018, 04:17:17 PM
Hi all,

Hope this is the right section to ask this question if not Im sorry in advance.

Was just wondering if anyone knows if "NiceHash" is able to mine Lbry coins through hiring miners / purchasing hash power?

Algo: Special LBRY-Algo

I just cant find any information on NiceHash site or looking through forums to if this can be done.

Thanks

You can use Nicehash on Luxor's PPS pool. The best option for using Nicehash is a PPS pool since in the short timeframe you're going to be mining the pool operator assumes all the luck variance risk.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: LBRY.IO - DICUSSION THREAD on: April 19, 2018, 04:10:06 PM

Baikal Giant B Miners try mining.luxor.tech LBRY Pool. Nice PPS option and they contribute to the LBRY Core Team!
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Airdrop][$LOK] Loki - Private Transactions & Comms on: April 19, 2018, 03:30:47 PM
Where is the airdrop information?Can Loki be mineable?I plan to mine LOKI in the future.



mining.luxor.tech has a Loki Pool in the works!
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Dragonmint B29 Decred Miner on: April 19, 2018, 12:00:23 AM

THANK YOU!!!! This was exactly what I was looking for. Seriously - thank you. And that's the research I found out too bc I didn't think anyone would respond.

I will say that for anyone interested to know, Luxor pool makes significantly less earnings.  

Hi ReadyPlayer1, first of all thanks for the compliment on our support. We pride ourselves in our community, on Drift, Discord, and Twitter. I really suggest giving us another try, and comparing the payments after a week at each pool. You'll find that PPLNS and Proportional payments (Coinmine and Suprnova) are based on variance. Sometimes they pay more, sometimes alot less.

At Luxor, we pay PPS. I want to take this excerpt from our friends at SiaMining, that have this great descriptor comparing both:

Despite the similar names, PPS (Pay Per Share) and PPLNS (Pay Per Last N Shares) are two very different reward systems.


PPLNS is a modification of the proportional system. The proportional system is perhaps the most natural way to distribute rewards: whenever the pool finds a block, it distributes its value (minus a fee) to miners proportionally to how many shares they have submitted since the previous block. This naive approach is unfortunately easily exploitable by using a technique called pool hopping. PPLNS corrects this issue by considering only the last N shares submitted right before a block was found, and disregarding the rest. If the value of N is chosen appropriately, the system becomes resistant to hopping, but with one side effect: in order to receive fair retribution, in a PPLNS system miners must maintain a relatively constant hashrate at all times. Being a proportional system, PPLNS only rewards miners when a block is found and confirmed by the network, and since finding a block can take considerable time, rewards have a high variance. Additionally, from time to time the pool may find a block that never confirms because another block was found and confirmed before it. Such blocks, called orphans, have no value, and result in missed rewards for miners.


PPS rewards miners with a certain amount (the PPS rate) for every valid share submitted.
This amount is determined based on the expected number of shares needed to find a block, and on the reward that finding a block would yield. Note that we say “expected” because mining is a random process, so we can know how many shares will be needed on average in the long run, but not how many will be effectively needed. Since shares are much easier to find than blocks, a miner typically finds several every minute, which drastically reduces the variance of rewards. It is therefore possible for a miner to reliably estimate his earnings, as they do not depend on the luck of the pool. Because miners get paid per share and can tally how many shares they submit, they can easily verify that the promised reward is given, making it impossible for the pool operator to cheat. For the same reason, PPS is completely immune to pool hopping. All in all, PPS arguably offers the fairest payouts for all miners, regardless of hashrate or frequency. The one downside to PPS is for the pool operator, who has to take on the risk of bad luck in finding blocks. To compensate for this risk, PPS pools traditionally charge a higher fee.

Everything else being equal (fee, difficulty, and block reward), in the long run both systems are expected to find the same amount of blocks, but since PPLNS cannot pay for orphaned blocks, PPS miners are expected to receive slightly higher payouts. There are several places on the internet where it is stated that PPLNS yields higher rewards than PPS. The only reason for this is that for a long time PPS pools have had much higher fees than their PPLNS counterparts. For instance DeepBit, which was once the biggest Bitcoin pool, used to charge 3% for PPLNS, but 10% for PPS.

At Luxor, we charge a flat 3% fee for PPS, which is very competitive in the market as of now.

I like your sia pool but the decred pool fees need to go down to 1% at most. Anyone adding their b29 to the pool will be paying about $135 a month just to use the pool which is the cost for hosting at a data center.

Hi, I think you're overestimating the fee a bit. Still, PPS covers for all the variance of the pool which can have a huge cost. On top of that, Luxor pays for orphans and rejects which the rest of Decred pools don't. So, Luxor's real fee is lower than 3% since you get paid for each an every share you submit.
Currently I'm mining at coinmine.pl and my miner stats show at 100% efficiency and only 4 rejects for the past week so I'm still not seeing the benefit of paying 3%... If there is something else I'm missing or that they don't show in the stats I would like to know but the payouts have been good. They also charge only a 1% fee.

Coinmine.pl had an orphan rate of 0.34% in the past 4 weeks which translates into over 100 DCR that Luxor would have paid to miners. So to compare fees you could add that rate to their 1% (which by the way you don't have an actual way to prove they charge that since they are PPLNS) and at the same time you could subtract that 0.34% from our fee.

On top of that we stake 10% of our fee in a wallet to help Decred get listed on more exchanges or some other community proposal. That's another 0.3%.

Now the real fee difference is 1% and we provide consistent payouts every day. The pool operator is assuming all the variance risk just for 1% extra, at most.

Coinmine.pl stats: https://www2.coinmine.pl/dcr/index.php?page=statistics&action=blocks
There still isn't a 1% difference its 1.66% and with PPLNS there is also luck involved which can increase earnings over longer periods of mining where PPS doesn't include luck... The current mining rate for the B29 will net about $4600 a month and even at the 1.66% difference that is $76 a month extra which is a lot when you consider most GPU's don't even make that much in a month.

With the introduction of Baikals, B29s and Innosilicon just announced another miner for DCR GPU miners don't have much space mining DCR. It won't be profitable anymore. That comparison is useless.


Luxor "nominal fee" is 3% - 0.3% Donation - 0.34% orphan rate = 2.36%.

Coinmine fee is 1%. Therefore, the fee difference is 1.3%.

I think our user experience and product is much better. I would personally pay a 1% difference for better support, help the Decred project to succeed and have a better UI than a generic pool. You may not value that stuff and you prefer 1% less and that's ok.

Happy hashing! Cheers!

Coinmine.pl: 1% + 0.34% - Luck%= ?%<1.34%
Luxormining: 3% + 0 = 3% (Doesn't matter what else changes because its 3% anyway you put it since there is no luck factored in with PPS. Also this number gets put into POS which also nets Luxor more $$$ and becomes a loss for miners since they can't reinvest.)

I would really love to mine at luxor pool because I do like the new GUI and the support but unfortunately the fee difference compared to coinmine alone, is the cost of hosting fees per month. Sure after time this will change as more miners enter the arena but the coins value will also increase leveling everything out until the market is too saturated with miners. Since owners of the B29 miners paid $11,000 each, they need to make their capital back ASAP before new miners hit the market like the new Innosilicon D9's. If Luxor changed their pool to PPLNS and dropped their fees down to 1% that went towards projects or POS or whatever it doesn't seem unreasonable to me and I'd join no problem.

We would like you to join in the future. We will run a 0% promotional fee upon getting 100 RTs on Twitter so look forward to that.

We could stop paying for orphans and rejects or supporting the Decred project and cut the fee in half. If we switched to PPLNS we could potentially don't charge a fee at all. We want Luxor to be different and that comes with a higher cost right now.

Please do that and I will join the pool in a heat beat!!!  Grin

There you go: https://twitter.com/LuxorTechTeam/status/986314452751601669

15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Dragonmint B29 Decred Miner on: April 18, 2018, 11:18:36 PM

THANK YOU!!!! This was exactly what I was looking for. Seriously - thank you. And that's the research I found out too bc I didn't think anyone would respond.

I will say that for anyone interested to know, Luxor pool makes significantly less earnings.  

Hi ReadyPlayer1, first of all thanks for the compliment on our support. We pride ourselves in our community, on Drift, Discord, and Twitter. I really suggest giving us another try, and comparing the payments after a week at each pool. You'll find that PPLNS and Proportional payments (Coinmine and Suprnova) are based on variance. Sometimes they pay more, sometimes alot less.

At Luxor, we pay PPS. I want to take this excerpt from our friends at SiaMining, that have this great descriptor comparing both:

Despite the similar names, PPS (Pay Per Share) and PPLNS (Pay Per Last N Shares) are two very different reward systems.


PPLNS is a modification of the proportional system. The proportional system is perhaps the most natural way to distribute rewards: whenever the pool finds a block, it distributes its value (minus a fee) to miners proportionally to how many shares they have submitted since the previous block. This naive approach is unfortunately easily exploitable by using a technique called pool hopping. PPLNS corrects this issue by considering only the last N shares submitted right before a block was found, and disregarding the rest. If the value of N is chosen appropriately, the system becomes resistant to hopping, but with one side effect: in order to receive fair retribution, in a PPLNS system miners must maintain a relatively constant hashrate at all times. Being a proportional system, PPLNS only rewards miners when a block is found and confirmed by the network, and since finding a block can take considerable time, rewards have a high variance. Additionally, from time to time the pool may find a block that never confirms because another block was found and confirmed before it. Such blocks, called orphans, have no value, and result in missed rewards for miners.


PPS rewards miners with a certain amount (the PPS rate) for every valid share submitted.
This amount is determined based on the expected number of shares needed to find a block, and on the reward that finding a block would yield. Note that we say “expected” because mining is a random process, so we can know how many shares will be needed on average in the long run, but not how many will be effectively needed. Since shares are much easier to find than blocks, a miner typically finds several every minute, which drastically reduces the variance of rewards. It is therefore possible for a miner to reliably estimate his earnings, as they do not depend on the luck of the pool. Because miners get paid per share and can tally how many shares they submit, they can easily verify that the promised reward is given, making it impossible for the pool operator to cheat. For the same reason, PPS is completely immune to pool hopping. All in all, PPS arguably offers the fairest payouts for all miners, regardless of hashrate or frequency. The one downside to PPS is for the pool operator, who has to take on the risk of bad luck in finding blocks. To compensate for this risk, PPS pools traditionally charge a higher fee.

Everything else being equal (fee, difficulty, and block reward), in the long run both systems are expected to find the same amount of blocks, but since PPLNS cannot pay for orphaned blocks, PPS miners are expected to receive slightly higher payouts. There are several places on the internet where it is stated that PPLNS yields higher rewards than PPS. The only reason for this is that for a long time PPS pools have had much higher fees than their PPLNS counterparts. For instance DeepBit, which was once the biggest Bitcoin pool, used to charge 3% for PPLNS, but 10% for PPS.

At Luxor, we charge a flat 3% fee for PPS, which is very competitive in the market as of now.

I like your sia pool but the decred pool fees need to go down to 1% at most. Anyone adding their b29 to the pool will be paying about $135 a month just to use the pool which is the cost for hosting at a data center.

Hi, I think you're overestimating the fee a bit. Still, PPS covers for all the variance of the pool which can have a huge cost. On top of that, Luxor pays for orphans and rejects which the rest of Decred pools don't. So, Luxor's real fee is lower than 3% since you get paid for each an every share you submit.
Currently I'm mining at coinmine.pl and my miner stats show at 100% efficiency and only 4 rejects for the past week so I'm still not seeing the benefit of paying 3%... If there is something else I'm missing or that they don't show in the stats I would like to know but the payouts have been good. They also charge only a 1% fee.

Coinmine.pl had an orphan rate of 0.34% in the past 4 weeks which translates into over 100 DCR that Luxor would have paid to miners. So to compare fees you could add that rate to their 1% (which by the way you don't have an actual way to prove they charge that since they are PPLNS) and at the same time you could subtract that 0.34% from our fee.

On top of that we stake 10% of our fee in a wallet to help Decred get listed on more exchanges or some other community proposal. That's another 0.3%.

Now the real fee difference is 1% and we provide consistent payouts every day. The pool operator is assuming all the variance risk just for 1% extra, at most.

Coinmine.pl stats: https://www2.coinmine.pl/dcr/index.php?page=statistics&action=blocks
There still isn't a 1% difference its 1.66% and with PPLNS there is also luck involved which can increase earnings over longer periods of mining where PPS doesn't include luck... The current mining rate for the B29 will net about $4600 a month and even at the 1.66% difference that is $76 a month extra which is a lot when you consider most GPU's don't even make that much in a month.

With the introduction of Baikals, B29s and Innosilicon just announced another miner for DCR GPU miners don't have much space mining DCR. It won't be profitable anymore. That comparison is useless.


Luxor "nominal fee" is 3% - 0.3% Donation - 0.34% orphan rate = 2.36%.

Coinmine fee is 1%. Therefore, the fee difference is 1.3%.

I think our user experience and product is much better. I would personally pay a 1% difference for better support, help the Decred project to succeed and have a better UI than a generic pool. You may not value that stuff and you prefer 1% less and that's ok.

Happy hashing! Cheers!

Coinmine.pl: 1% + 0.34% - Luck%= ?%<1.34%
Luxormining: 3% + 0 = 3% (Doesn't matter what else changes because its 3% anyway you put it since there is no luck factored in with PPS. Also this number gets put into POS which also nets Luxor more $$$ and becomes a loss for miners since they can't reinvest.)

I would really love to mine at luxor pool because I do like the new GUI and the support but unfortunately the fee difference compared to coinmine alone, is the cost of hosting fees per month. Sure after time this will change as more miners enter the arena but the coins value will also increase leveling everything out until the market is too saturated with miners. Since owners of the B29 miners paid $11,000 each, they need to make their capital back ASAP before new miners hit the market like the new Innosilicon D9's. If Luxor changed their pool to PPLNS and dropped their fees down to 1% that went towards projects or POS or whatever it doesn't seem unreasonable to me and I'd join no problem.

We would like you to join in the future. We will run a 0% promotional fee upon getting 100 RTs on Twitter so look forward to that.

We could stop paying for orphans and rejects or supporting the Decred project and we could cut the fee in half. If we switched to PPLNS we could potentially don't charge a fee at all. We want Luxor to be different and that comes with a higher cost right now.
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Dragonmint B29 Decred Miner on: April 18, 2018, 08:55:58 PM

THANK YOU!!!! This was exactly what I was looking for. Seriously - thank you. And that's the research I found out too bc I didn't think anyone would respond.

I will say that for anyone interested to know, Luxor pool makes significantly less earnings.  

Hi ReadyPlayer1, first of all thanks for the compliment on our support. We pride ourselves in our community, on Drift, Discord, and Twitter. I really suggest giving us another try, and comparing the payments after a week at each pool. You'll find that PPLNS and Proportional payments (Coinmine and Suprnova) are based on variance. Sometimes they pay more, sometimes alot less.

At Luxor, we pay PPS. I want to take this excerpt from our friends at SiaMining, that have this great descriptor comparing both:

Despite the similar names, PPS (Pay Per Share) and PPLNS (Pay Per Last N Shares) are two very different reward systems.


PPLNS is a modification of the proportional system. The proportional system is perhaps the most natural way to distribute rewards: whenever the pool finds a block, it distributes its value (minus a fee) to miners proportionally to how many shares they have submitted since the previous block. This naive approach is unfortunately easily exploitable by using a technique called pool hopping. PPLNS corrects this issue by considering only the last N shares submitted right before a block was found, and disregarding the rest. If the value of N is chosen appropriately, the system becomes resistant to hopping, but with one side effect: in order to receive fair retribution, in a PPLNS system miners must maintain a relatively constant hashrate at all times. Being a proportional system, PPLNS only rewards miners when a block is found and confirmed by the network, and since finding a block can take considerable time, rewards have a high variance. Additionally, from time to time the pool may find a block that never confirms because another block was found and confirmed before it. Such blocks, called orphans, have no value, and result in missed rewards for miners.


PPS rewards miners with a certain amount (the PPS rate) for every valid share submitted.
This amount is determined based on the expected number of shares needed to find a block, and on the reward that finding a block would yield. Note that we say “expected” because mining is a random process, so we can know how many shares will be needed on average in the long run, but not how many will be effectively needed. Since shares are much easier to find than blocks, a miner typically finds several every minute, which drastically reduces the variance of rewards. It is therefore possible for a miner to reliably estimate his earnings, as they do not depend on the luck of the pool. Because miners get paid per share and can tally how many shares they submit, they can easily verify that the promised reward is given, making it impossible for the pool operator to cheat. For the same reason, PPS is completely immune to pool hopping. All in all, PPS arguably offers the fairest payouts for all miners, regardless of hashrate or frequency. The one downside to PPS is for the pool operator, who has to take on the risk of bad luck in finding blocks. To compensate for this risk, PPS pools traditionally charge a higher fee.

Everything else being equal (fee, difficulty, and block reward), in the long run both systems are expected to find the same amount of blocks, but since PPLNS cannot pay for orphaned blocks, PPS miners are expected to receive slightly higher payouts. There are several places on the internet where it is stated that PPLNS yields higher rewards than PPS. The only reason for this is that for a long time PPS pools have had much higher fees than their PPLNS counterparts. For instance DeepBit, which was once the biggest Bitcoin pool, used to charge 3% for PPLNS, but 10% for PPS.

At Luxor, we charge a flat 3% fee for PPS, which is very competitive in the market as of now.

I like your sia pool but the decred pool fees need to go down to 1% at most. Anyone adding their b29 to the pool will be paying about $135 a month just to use the pool which is the cost for hosting at a data center.

Hi, I think you're overestimating the fee a bit. Still, PPS covers for all the variance of the pool which can have a huge cost. On top of that, Luxor pays for orphans and rejects which the rest of Decred pools don't. So, Luxor's real fee is lower than 3% since you get paid for each an every share you submit.
Currently I'm mining at coinmine.pl and my miner stats show at 100% efficiency and only 4 rejects for the past week so I'm still not seeing the benefit of paying 3%... If there is something else I'm missing or that they don't show in the stats I would like to know but the payouts have been good. They also charge only a 1% fee.

Coinmine.pl had an orphan rate of 0.34% in the past 4 weeks which translates into over 100 DCR that Luxor would have paid to miners. So to compare fees you could add that rate to their 1% (which by the way you don't have an actual way to prove they charge that since they are PPLNS) and at the same time you could subtract that 0.34% from our fee.

On top of that we stake 10% of our fee in a wallet to help Decred get listed on more exchanges or some other community proposal. That's another 0.3%.

Now the real fee difference is 1% and we provide consistent payouts every day. The pool operator is assuming all the variance risk just for 1% extra, at most.

Coinmine.pl stats: https://www2.coinmine.pl/dcr/index.php?page=statistics&action=blocks
There still isn't a 1% difference its 1.66% and with PPLNS there is also luck involved which can increase earnings over longer periods of mining where PPS doesn't include luck... The current mining rate for the B29 will net about $4600 a month and even at the 1.66% difference that is $76 a month extra which is a lot when you consider most GPU's don't even make that much in a month.

With the introduction of Baikals, B29s and Innosilicon just announced another miner for DCR GPU miners don't have much space mining DCR. It won't be profitable anymore. That comparison is useless.


Luxor "nominal fee" is 3% - 0.3% Donation - 0.34% orphan rate = 2.36%.

Coinmine fee is 1%. Therefore, the fee difference is 1.3%.

I think our user experience and product is much better. I would personally pay a 1% difference for better support, help the Decred project to succeed and have a better UI than a generic pool. You may not value that stuff and you prefer 1% less and that's ok.

Happy hashing! Cheers!
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Dragonmint B29 Decred Miner on: April 18, 2018, 07:43:54 PM

THANK YOU!!!! This was exactly what I was looking for. Seriously - thank you. And that's the research I found out too bc I didn't think anyone would respond.

I will say that for anyone interested to know, Luxor pool makes significantly less earnings. 

Hi ReadyPlayer1, first of all thanks for the compliment on our support. We pride ourselves in our community, on Drift, Discord, and Twitter. I really suggest giving us another try, and comparing the payments after a week at each pool. You'll find that PPLNS and Proportional payments (Coinmine and Suprnova) are based on variance. Sometimes they pay more, sometimes alot less.

At Luxor, we pay PPS. I want to take this excerpt from our friends at SiaMining, that have this great descriptor comparing both:

Despite the similar names, PPS (Pay Per Share) and PPLNS (Pay Per Last N Shares) are two very different reward systems.


PPLNS is a modification of the proportional system. The proportional system is perhaps the most natural way to distribute rewards: whenever the pool finds a block, it distributes its value (minus a fee) to miners proportionally to how many shares they have submitted since the previous block. This naive approach is unfortunately easily exploitable by using a technique called pool hopping. PPLNS corrects this issue by considering only the last N shares submitted right before a block was found, and disregarding the rest. If the value of N is chosen appropriately, the system becomes resistant to hopping, but with one side effect: in order to receive fair retribution, in a PPLNS system miners must maintain a relatively constant hashrate at all times. Being a proportional system, PPLNS only rewards miners when a block is found and confirmed by the network, and since finding a block can take considerable time, rewards have a high variance. Additionally, from time to time the pool may find a block that never confirms because another block was found and confirmed before it. Such blocks, called orphans, have no value, and result in missed rewards for miners.


PPS rewards miners with a certain amount (the PPS rate) for every valid share submitted.
This amount is determined based on the expected number of shares needed to find a block, and on the reward that finding a block would yield. Note that we say “expected” because mining is a random process, so we can know how many shares will be needed on average in the long run, but not how many will be effectively needed. Since shares are much easier to find than blocks, a miner typically finds several every minute, which drastically reduces the variance of rewards. It is therefore possible for a miner to reliably estimate his earnings, as they do not depend on the luck of the pool. Because miners get paid per share and can tally how many shares they submit, they can easily verify that the promised reward is given, making it impossible for the pool operator to cheat. For the same reason, PPS is completely immune to pool hopping. All in all, PPS arguably offers the fairest payouts for all miners, regardless of hashrate or frequency. The one downside to PPS is for the pool operator, who has to take on the risk of bad luck in finding blocks. To compensate for this risk, PPS pools traditionally charge a higher fee.

Everything else being equal (fee, difficulty, and block reward), in the long run both systems are expected to find the same amount of blocks, but since PPLNS cannot pay for orphaned blocks, PPS miners are expected to receive slightly higher payouts. There are several places on the internet where it is stated that PPLNS yields higher rewards than PPS. The only reason for this is that for a long time PPS pools have had much higher fees than their PPLNS counterparts. For instance DeepBit, which was once the biggest Bitcoin pool, used to charge 3% for PPLNS, but 10% for PPS.

At Luxor, we charge a flat 3% fee for PPS, which is very competitive in the market as of now.

I like your sia pool but the decred pool fees need to go down to 1% at most. Anyone adding their b29 to the pool will be paying about $135 a month just to use the pool which is the cost for hosting at a data center.

Hi, I think you're overestimating the fee a bit. Still, PPS covers for all the variance of the pool which can have a huge cost. On top of that, Luxor pays for orphans and rejects which the rest of Decred pools don't. So, Luxor's real fee is lower than 3% since you get paid for each an every share you submit.
Currently I'm mining at coinmine.pl and my miner stats show at 100% efficiency and only 4 rejects for the past week so I'm still not seeing the benefit of paying 3%... If there is something else I'm missing or that they don't show in the stats I would like to know but the payouts have been good. They also charge only a 1% fee.

Coinmine.pl had an orphan rate of 0.34% in the past 4 weeks which translates into over 100 DCR that Luxor would have paid to miners. So to compare fees you could add that rate to their 1% (which by the way you don't have an actual way to prove they charge that since they are PPLNS) and at the same time you could subtract that 0.34% from our fee.

On top of that we stake 10% of our fee in a wallet to help Decred get listed on more exchanges or some other community proposal. That's another 0.3%.

Now the real fee difference is 1% and we provide consistent payouts every day. The pool operator is assuming all the variance risk just for 1% extra, at most.

Coinmine.pl stats: https://www2.coinmine.pl/dcr/index.php?page=statistics&action=blocks
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Dragonmint B29 Decred Miner on: April 18, 2018, 07:37:21 PM
Thanks for the explanation of PPS vs PPLNS.. I still don't understand pool hopping completely, or orphan blocks though...

I will consider pointing my decred miner at luxor for sure.. I think I used to mine dcr at suprnova before.. guessing they were PPLNS

Pool hopping is mining in a pool only during good time and leaving during bad luck. By doing so, pool hoppers get rewarded for more than the work they contribute to the pool. This comes at expense of all the other miners in the pool. Pool hopping affects mostly PROP pools and not PPLNS.

An orphan is basically when the pool solves a block and within the time that data gets added to the blockchain some else submits a solution. There you have two valid blocks and the one that reaches the chain first is the one that gets paid. Luxor pays for this work whereas other pools don't. This payout comes out from the fees we charge so the real fee is less since you get paid for work you otherwise wouldn't.

19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Dragonmint B29 Decred Miner on: April 18, 2018, 07:24:04 PM

THANK YOU!!!! This was exactly what I was looking for. Seriously - thank you. And that's the research I found out too bc I didn't think anyone would respond.

I will say that for anyone interested to know, Luxor pool makes significantly less earnings. 

Hi ReadyPlayer1, first of all thanks for the compliment on our support. We pride ourselves in our community, on Drift, Discord, and Twitter. I really suggest giving us another try, and comparing the payments after a week at each pool. You'll find that PPLNS and Proportional payments (Coinmine and Suprnova) are based on variance. Sometimes they pay more, sometimes alot less.

At Luxor, we pay PPS. I want to take this excerpt from our friends at SiaMining, that have this great descriptor comparing both:

Despite the similar names, PPS (Pay Per Share) and PPLNS (Pay Per Last N Shares) are two very different reward systems.


PPLNS is a modification of the proportional system. The proportional system is perhaps the most natural way to distribute rewards: whenever the pool finds a block, it distributes its value (minus a fee) to miners proportionally to how many shares they have submitted since the previous block. This naive approach is unfortunately easily exploitable by using a technique called pool hopping. PPLNS corrects this issue by considering only the last N shares submitted right before a block was found, and disregarding the rest. If the value of N is chosen appropriately, the system becomes resistant to hopping, but with one side effect: in order to receive fair retribution, in a PPLNS system miners must maintain a relatively constant hashrate at all times. Being a proportional system, PPLNS only rewards miners when a block is found and confirmed by the network, and since finding a block can take considerable time, rewards have a high variance. Additionally, from time to time the pool may find a block that never confirms because another block was found and confirmed before it. Such blocks, called orphans, have no value, and result in missed rewards for miners.


PPS rewards miners with a certain amount (the PPS rate) for every valid share submitted.
This amount is determined based on the expected number of shares needed to find a block, and on the reward that finding a block would yield. Note that we say “expected” because mining is a random process, so we can know how many shares will be needed on average in the long run, but not how many will be effectively needed. Since shares are much easier to find than blocks, a miner typically finds several every minute, which drastically reduces the variance of rewards. It is therefore possible for a miner to reliably estimate his earnings, as they do not depend on the luck of the pool. Because miners get paid per share and can tally how many shares they submit, they can easily verify that the promised reward is given, making it impossible for the pool operator to cheat. For the same reason, PPS is completely immune to pool hopping. All in all, PPS arguably offers the fairest payouts for all miners, regardless of hashrate or frequency. The one downside to PPS is for the pool operator, who has to take on the risk of bad luck in finding blocks. To compensate for this risk, PPS pools traditionally charge a higher fee.

Everything else being equal (fee, difficulty, and block reward), in the long run both systems are expected to find the same amount of blocks, but since PPLNS cannot pay for orphaned blocks, PPS miners are expected to receive slightly higher payouts. There are several places on the internet where it is stated that PPLNS yields higher rewards than PPS. The only reason for this is that for a long time PPS pools have had much higher fees than their PPLNS counterparts. For instance DeepBit, which was once the biggest Bitcoin pool, used to charge 3% for PPLNS, but 10% for PPS.

At Luxor, we charge a flat 3% fee for PPS, which is very competitive in the market as of now.

I like your sia pool but the decred pool fees need to go down to 1% at most. Anyone adding their b29 to the pool will be paying about $135 a month just to use the pool which is the cost for hosting at a data center.

Hi, I think you're overestimating the fee a bit. Still, PPS covers for all the variance of the pool which can have a huge cost. On top of that, Luxor pays for orphans and rejects which the rest of Decred pools don't. So, Luxor's real fee is lower than 3% since you get paid for each an every share you submit.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: DragonMint B29 Blake256 Miner (March) on: April 16, 2018, 03:36:46 PM
Could finally put to bed the whole "Dragonmint is a scam" debate... wonder if I could use Augur to bet on it 😉

Not until we see a good video review  Roll Eyes

Hi, we've received many at our Colo (minery.tech) and at Luxor (mining.luxor.tech) we have plenty of hashrate from B29s. Can confirm they are not a scam!

I got am email from DHL that my b29 has been shipped.  My issue is where do I find a pool to mine decred?  More specifically I have setup D3s, and S9s but that was following specific directions for asics to mine on asic pools.   Is there am asic pool out there for decred?


Sure, try Luxor you won't regret it!

Here is a setup guide:
https://medium.com/@LuxorTechTeam/halong-dragonmint-b29-decred-setup-guide-18c081e85c0b

Cheers!
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