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1  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Official Money Lost in Mt. GOX Thread on: February 25, 2014, 06:25:31 AM
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2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SilkRoad domain Seized? on: November 18, 2013, 02:00:16 AM
All the modern examples of government-less areas of the world I can think of are countries where the state collapsed after a revolution or war, usually either quickly replaced by a (often worse) government, or constantly warring factions.

Dr. Benjamin Powell looked a dozen or so standard of living measures they could get reliably reported from Somalia over the course of 15-20 years. What we find is that these living measures decline dramatically from 1985-1990 (its last years of having a state). Since losing it's statelessness these living measures have improved dramatically. They rank in the top half of African countries. And they're near the top in access to telecommunications. They're the third biggest improver in life expectancy on the African continent since 1990.

They have improved in absolute terms and they've improved relative to the average on the continent.

We're not comparing the United States today to Somalia now. Somalia is definitely a poor impoverished country, like much of the African continent. What we need is relevant institutional comparisons. How well does any given country/culture do compared to it's less state or stateless alternatives. It's not fair to compare a first world country to a third world country regardless of the institutions we're comparing.

How does Somalia do in its statelessness compared to when it had a State and to the other 42-some sub Sahara countries? That's the relevant comparison.


http://benjaminwpowell.com/scholarly-publications/journal-articles/somalia-after-state-collapse.pdf

But absence of decision making is not really the same thing as absence of the rule of law, which is what DPR wanted.

This is a strawman. Market anarchy is not absence of law. Even the Somalis have law (Xeer), they just don't have a dominant state.

That's an empirical study, it even says so in the abstract. That's the kind of economics I find convincing - study the data.

1) There are many empricist economists and econometricans who are market anarchists.

2) "The statistical approach, unlike deductive inference, leaves the conditions under which established economic relations hold good fundamentally undetermined; and similarly, the objects to which they relate cannot be determined as unequivocally as by theory. Empirically established relations between various economic phenomena continue to present a problem to theory until the necessity for their interconnections can be demonstrated independently of any statistical evidence. The concepts on which such an explanation is based will be quite different from those by which statistical interconnections are demonstrated; they can be reached independently. Moreover, the corroboration of statistical evidence provides, in itself, no proof of correctness. A priori we cannot expect from statistics anything more than the stimulus provided by the indication of new problems. In thus emphasizing the fact that trade cycle theory, while it may serve as a basis for statistical research, can never itself be established by the latter, it is by no means desired to deprecate the value of the empirical method. On the contrary, there can be no doubt that trade cycle theory can only gain full practical importance through exact measurement of the actual course of the phenomena it describes. But before we can examine the question of the true importance of statistics to theory, it must be clearly recognized that the use of statistics can never consist in a deepening of our theoretical insight.

II.
Even as a means of verification, the statistical examination of the cycles has only a very limited value for trade cycle theory. For the latter—as for any other economic theory—there are only two criteria of correctness. First, it must be deduced with unexceptionable logic from the fundamental notions of the theoretical
system; and second, it must explain by a purely deductive method those phenomena with all their peculiarities that we observe in the actual cycles. Such a theory could only be “false” either through an inadequacy in its logic or because the phenomena it explains do not correspond with the observed facts. If, however,
the theory is logically sound, and if it leads to an explanation of the given phenomena as a necessary consequence of these general conditions of economic
activity, then the best that statistical investigation can do is to show that there still remains an unexplained residue of processes. It could never prove that the
determining relationships are of a different character from those maintained by the theory." - Friedrich A. Hayek, Prices and Production.


It's difficult to do the same for anarcho-capitalist ideas because there aren't any good examples of it working successfully in modern times.

1) Embedded in the question is the assumption that libertarian countries don’t exist because they are fantastic creatures, like unicorns. Of course, just because something doesn’t exist yet does not mean it can’t exist.

2) An indefinite number of potential reasons may speak against market anarchy. No matter how many you succeed in falsifying, however, some may still be left, and you can never prove that none are left. In other words, you've shifted the burden of proof and haven't shown we need a state (a term not synonymous with law) in the first place.

Theories that exist in the world of abstract philosophy is how you end up with the deflationary spiral idea - stuff that simply doesn't match observed reality.

"We cannot in practice consider a fact without relating it to other facts, and the relation is a theory. Facts by themselves are dumb; before they will tell us anything we have to arrange them, and the arrangement is a theory. Theory is simply the unavoidable arrangement and interpretation of facts, which gives us generalizations on which we can argue and act, in the place of a mass of disjoined particulars."
(Henry Clay. Economics for the General Reader. New York: Macmillan. 1925. pp.10-11.)

"The 'practical man' habitually acts on theories that he does not consciously realize; and in most cases this means that his theories are fallacious. Using a theory consciously, on the other hand, always results in some new attempt to clear up the interrelations that it assumes, and to bring it into harmony with which theoretical assumptions; that is, it results in the pursuit of theory of its own sake." - Friedrich A. Hayek, Prices and Production.


Rothbard had a lot of very strange ideas about the nature of cartels and monopolies

Really?


3  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Zerocoin proofs reduced by 98%, will be released as an alternative coin. on: November 17, 2013, 09:21:13 PM
When Bitcoin implements these features, it will threaten the value of their investment. Do you think they are going let that happen calmly? They will do everything they can to obstruct the change.

Including lobbying for the state to stop it, as if there isn't already enough incentive.

4  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Zerocoin proofs reduced by 98%, will be released as an alternative coin. on: November 17, 2013, 04:20:15 PM
Subverting the states power too much would result in the deployment of their nearly unlimited resources to combat the "problem." This makes me question whether or not these less complex solutions are adequate--or if any of the proposed solutions are.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "John Dillon" We can leak things too you trolling piece of shit on: November 16, 2013, 06:01:00 PM
"You know that Mike and similar will counter-argue
that mining needs to be done by "responsible" central authority figures running
pools, so let them make that bogus argument."
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A proposal: Forget about mBTC and switch directly to Satoshis on: November 16, 2013, 02:17:05 PM
If bitcoin becomes inflationary, I wouldn't hold btc for longer than it took to make a payment, and I would only make a payment using btc if it had some kind of utility over other mediums. I would simply save elsewhere. I would spend the same in either case.
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Vote for the removal of Mike Hearn as Chair of the Bitcoin Foundations Law & Pol on: November 16, 2013, 01:53:09 PM
Mike Hearn has lost some credibility therefore he should immediately step down just to avoid controversy.

I voted YES because I honestly believe that he is a coward and a traitor with Keynesian mindset.
He also works for the greatest spying machine ever made.

Bye bye Keynes:

http://www.antolin-davies.com/research/mercatus1212.pdf
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [LEAKED] Private Bitcoin Foundation Discussions On Blacklisting, more (ZIP dump) on: November 16, 2013, 01:44:36 PM

Why would I want to use bitcoins instead of traditional currencies and payment systems if any of these suggestions is implemented?

^ this a thousand times this.
9  Economy / Economics / Re: Would the failure of Bitcoin lead you to reconsider your assumptions? on: November 16, 2013, 04:18:13 AM
Sorry to wake the dead, but I just saw this now.

A thing, in this case, a "fiat dollar" cannot be evil since morality only applies to beings with volition.
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [LEAKED] Private Bitcoin Foundation Discussions On Blacklisting, more (ZIP dump) on: November 16, 2013, 03:25:12 AM
Does this alert thing do what I think it does? It looks as if it sends the user a message to upgrade with a link? If this is the case and there was a hard fork wouldn't the guy with the key control the upgrade path of those who weren't paying attention to recent on goings? It would take advantage of users ignorance.


BF is absolutely useless private club. They answer regulator questions? Why to talk to govs, when they are dead in future with their monetary system?

Why they hide their conversations? Maybe they also should close the bitcoin code?

I will completely stop using official client when centralized shit will be added. I already don't like alert keys trojan. Who owns keys? Who will protect owner from external pressure of interested parties?

You will not stop the crime with centralization, but kill bitcoin while crime will grow. Crime is a standalone system out of Bitcoin.

Imagine Bin Laden is still around.

Stop spread the FUD about terrorism. Bin Laden and Al-Kaida were created by CIA. Almost every "evil dictator" US fighted with was created by CIA. They created evil and now they scare us by it. How Bitcoin is responsible for that? Fuck the binladen, fuck the US.

US invaded into Afganistan and control biggest fields of poppy. They spread drugs around the world. How Bitcoin is responsible to this? Why Bitcoin should submit its features to US authorities who fuck the world in the ass?

You know what? Governments are the real crime. Stop speak to them. Fuck them off. They will eat themselves in the end.
11  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mike Hearn, Foundation's Law & Policy Chair, is pushing blacklists right now on: November 16, 2013, 01:19:03 AM
How about we vote him off the foundation?

For an error in judgment, describing a tracking/taint method as a response to tackling crypolocker? No.

Why not?

Because that just seems over-the-top. Giving up the chair in the legal forum should be sufficient. He has done fantastic work for Bitcoin over years.


He should be made an example of. So that no one might suggest any centralization again.
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Vote for the removal of Mike Hearn as Chair of the Bitcoin Foundations Law & Pol on: November 15, 2013, 09:56:47 PM
He just called for a discussion...

Which should be enough to have his head roll. He should be made an example of for anyone else that might try to suggest adding some kind of centralized influence.
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Vote for the removal of Mike Hearn as Chair of the Bitcoin Foundations Law & Pol on: November 15, 2013, 09:44:06 PM
This "redlist" thing is just icing on the cake. His last shred of credibility was lost already back in october when he wrote this:

By the way - I'm amazed at how many people are surprised that a drug dealer with extreme anarcho-capitalist tendencies turned out to be not a swell guy! Imagine that!

This is a guy who wants to push his subjective perceptions of right and wrong on everyone else. Tar and feather I say.
14  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [LEAKED] Private Bitcoin Foundation Discussions On Blacklisting, more (ZIP dump) on: November 15, 2013, 09:18:37 PM
Utility in bitcoin derived from popularity had to be established before someone proposed centralized influence in the name of social "justice." People prefer freedom to coercion.
 
The implementation of taint means groups would wage an endless struggle for privileges. Everyone would want to have direct access to this power of forcing their subjective view of what actions ought result in a tainted coin and what ought not. The system should wash it's hands of such judgements of morality.

If such interventions are imposed, the utility derived from liquidity and popularity will be outweighed by the loss of utility from being "tagged and tracked"--especially if for taxation purposes. I can see the code base being forked and more robust systems created.
15  Economy / Economics / Re: Would the failure of Bitcoin lead you to reconsider your assumptions? on: June 09, 2011, 07:02:57 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that fiat currencies are not inheritly evil.


Rather the people who control the currency and inflate with reckless abandon without respect or concern for those who hold the currency that are evil. The rules have to be written in stone... or backed by gold.

And there is nothing I can think of that will provide something more stone-like than a extremely strong hashing algorithm.

So long as the rules are written in stone and cannot be changed, we are far safer.
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