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Fairlay seems to be down. Any official update on what is going on?
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Is there any update regarding PrediMarket? I really liked your website while it was up, and I really respect you for returning all balance money before shutting it down.
I really hope you will soon be back up!
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I need as much soccer 2odds I can get, and u get paid in bitcoin.
What exactly do you mean? Can you give an example? |
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I, too, am tired of arguing in this thread.
You are stuck on the "If you are not our player, I refuse to comment on your concerns" approach.
My whole opposition to your approach is based on the fact that people need a better definition of your "non-recreational player" conditions. You mentioned that you limited the original player (I don't recall his username) because he started betting large amounts daily.
In my opinion, if you are going to limit people for placing large bets, you should simply have automatic and well defined "max bets" that people know of in advance, or you should at least define "large" in your rules so that people can know in advance where they are getting into and not be limited out of the blue.
For example, I would consider it very honorable and highly acceptable if you mentioned something like "Each player is allowed to wager a maximum of X BTC per day" or something like that.
No player (recreational or not) likes the idea of betting blindly on a website and wondering "Am I going to be limited?".
Better structured rules lead to less ambiguity which in turn leads to more certainty which leads to more players on your platform.
So, if I come now and place a single 200mBtc bet on your platform, am I a non-recreational player? If yes, how do you define it? If I know it in advance, I won't even bother placing it. It will save time both on my side and yours, and I won't break your rules due to ambiguity. See my point?
PS: I can't comment on the mobile version as I haven't used it.
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This is what we understood from your statement: "I didn't care about the fact that he didn't have problem with deposits/withdraws..."
Again, this is extremely important for any gambler. For non-gamblers (arbs), this probaly comes in second after concerns about arbitrage activity not being permitted and high betting limits (to make the arbitrage profitable).
You still don't get it. For arbers too, it is very important to have fast and reliable deposits and withdrawals, BUT, it is the minimum service that a bookmaker can offer. If you can't offer that, then you are not even worth checking out your website. The fact that you DO have it, does not give you any advantage over other bookmakers, since they ALL have it (at least the decent ones that are worth checking out). |
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What was the question? It was a quote from a non player, full of hate and false accusations, made by a non-player. That quote was in no way relevant to any normal player, it was made on purpose as a hate post in the first place!
The quote involved a complaint about a player, quoted by a non-player, asking why you limited him, simply because you never publicly replied to the player. We do limit very fast arbitrage punters! Explanation: out of principle - arbitrage is not gambling. YOU were limited for being an arbitrage player, no other reason - to make this clear to the public!
I was limited on my first bet. The amount was 200mBtc, which is your advertised promotion. And when I was limited, instead of e-mailing my account through your website to let me know that you canceled my bets and limited my account, you chose to private message me here (where I have a different username and you STILL haven't explained to the public how you connected my accounts) and gloat about it. Quit using excuses. The limit was about the amount of betting he was doing, regardless of his bets being winning or not! His betting activity went up to several thousands of EUR/USD equivalent daily, which we considered to be way out of recreational/normal limits.
Why don't you frankly admit that you were worried about us limiting certain amounts of betting stakes JUST BECAUSE you were intending to do arbitrage betting, against our policy? And your arbitrage activity requires high limits.
So, anyone who bets large amounts is not recreational? I know people in NY who bet $10k-$15k per day on single events (recreationally) simply because they enjoy it. Also, the original player said that he had no problem while he was losing, but once he won 3-4 bets, you limited him. We consider this to be actually EXTREMELY important for players. They can bet with the ease of mind that their winnings will always be paid out INSTANTLY!
Also, what about this part from Debuni: "My first impression was: Great, a Bitcoin bookie with good looking and intuitive site, good odds and good limits." These are not good aspects?
Your only concern is about not getting limited for arbitrage betting?
Once again, you are paraphrasing my words. I never said it is not important. It is indeed extremely important. I merely said that it is THE BARE MINIMUM that a bookmaker needs to offer to their players, so, I do not think it is a marketing tool. If everyone speaks English, the fact that you speak English too, does not make you any better. As for the other aspects, look at my initial post. I, too, admitted that you have a nice looking website with good odds and I was ready to start betting on it, when I realized that it is a trap, and you don't actually let people bet on those odds. |
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So, anyone who has not already played with you and needs to know how well your support is and how you treat your players in order to decide IF he is going to play with you, is not allowed to ask questions?
I wanted to know how easily you limit people and what your response to these accusations would be, in order to decide IF I will bet on your website. But instead, all I got was a locked thread and a deleted post on your self-moderated thread...
I didn't care about the fact that he didn't have problem with deposits/withdraws... I consider this to be the bare minimum for a bookmaker... Yet, you seem so attached to this ONE specific tiny positive comment, that you keep re-hashing it. Makes me think that this is the ONLY thing that you have to offer to your players.
So, anyone who wants to get a response on "Why do you arbitrarily limit people who were losing in the past but started winning now?", should also quote the "No problem with deposits/withdraws" comment? Are you kidding me?
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Wait so you're saying they deleted your negative post and you say you haven't deposited?
if you haven't tried their service but have bad things to says they are 100% right to delete your dumbass post
Dude... Read the thread before commenting please... I merely quote a negative feedback from another thread where they never replied and they locked the thread. I wanted to get their comment on this topic too, but instead of replying, they simply deleted my post so that the negative feedback is nowhere to be seen in their thread. And there is more... you can read the rest of the thread if interested  |
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Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.
Yes this is quite frustrating to see from sportsbook no any good platform should disclose their users detail and private info. Privacy is quite big thing for gamblers and gambling platform should respect it, this things suggesting us to bet only on anonymous betting platforms like directbet. Imagine how easily they limit people that simply win, if they so easily distribute sensitive personal information... |
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So you tried to violate their policy by arb-ing, got busted and came here crying? That's what I understand from your thread  You're lucky they let you walk away with your money, other bookies confiscate funds when players break terms Nope. I saw their thread, found the guy who was limited for no reason, posted in their new thread to ask why they limited him, they deleted my post, I made this thread so they can't delete it, hoping they will answer. Then, I signed up on their website (with a different username than here) and placed my first bet. Some hours later, I got a message from them here, saying that my account was limited because I was not a "recreational player", which means they tried to find who I am and limited me out of hatred because I started this thread. You are right, I hadn't described the chronological order of events so you can understand what happened. Hope this makes it clear. |
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' snip '
So far you posted a series of accusations without evidence, a series of assumptions without any support, all this because we do not allow arbitrage players (such as yourself)?
It seems you did everything you could to place us in a bad light, without even trying to support your harsh accusations with any kind of evidence.
You 'missed' to response again to the post where you are sharing CLIENT PERSONAL INFO to 3rd party, even without anyone requesting it! This is the most unethical, most unprofessional stuff I see lately from bitcoin operator. That it. Like public doxing in angerYou are offering odds, client is betting. What this or other client is doing OUTSIDE your site /eg arbitraging, laying, shitting - it's clients business, not yours/. And you cant prove what particular client is doing in other sites. This answer pretty much covers it. @Powerbet: 1) You shared my information with Cloudbet without my consent. And when I say "information", I mean my username and my e-mail address. This is a breach of privacy, even if you try and steer the attention to just sharing my country here in the forum. 2) Even if you directly replied to him in private message, other people have the same concerns like him, and the fact that you simply locked the thread and started a new one shows that you can't answer those questions sincerely. The fact that it is a closed thread and anyone CAN see it, does not mean that anyone WILL see it, which is also your intention. I had to search specifically for it, others won't bother. 3) I had a different username on your website than here. Even if you detected arbing on your website (which you couldn't possible detect since it was just my first bet), how did you know it was me, and private message me here? Doxing much? Another violation of privacy... Way to go! 4) You are indirectly scamming, since you only allow players who lose and limit players who win. 5) You are offering odds, client is betting. What this or other client is doing OUTSIDE your site /eg arbitraging, laying, shitting - it's clients business, not yours/. And you cant prove what particular client is doing in other sites. |
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LOL. Quoting for future reference...
Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.
Yeah, that too... When I saw the post, I went straight to their privacy policy, but then I thought "It will take me 10 seconds to restart my router and get a new IP. Another 30 seconds to make a new e-mail, and another 10 seconds to create a new account if I want, so why bother?" |
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Nice try steering the conversation away from the fact that you randomly ban people and you delete all negative feedback from your threads at will, without even replying.
And as for the arb part, it is so sad that both you and other bookmakers fail to realize that the more bets you have on your websites, the more you will grow. Why does it matter so match for you if I bet on X on your website and at the same time lay X on FairLay? Since you offer the odds, a "recreational player" (as you seem to define anyone who just loses on your website) could just bet on X without laying, how is that different?
Edit: As for snitching my IP and username, how hard do you think it is to restart my router, get a new IP and create a new account? Heck, you could even ban all of Greece, and I could simply use a VPN. See where I am getting at? Instead of spending so much time and effort trying to avoid the unavoidable, and naming each and every of your winning players a "non-recreational" one, you can just embrace the circumstances and make them work in your advantage.
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Hahahahahahahaha I just got a message from Powerbet here in this forum, telling me that they banned me on their website because "I am not a recreational player", and I had simply just made my first deposit and bet some money on X and some money on 2 on a specific game.
The funny part is that I have a different username here than I used in their website, so this proves they went to great lengths just to find me and ban me.
This shows how unprofessional they are...
Everyone stay away from PowerBet.
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Decent amount? You put his limits to 50 mBtc, effectively equivalent to banning him... My opposition is on your whole "I-lock-the-thread-and-make-a-new-one-in-order-to-avoid-replying" attitude, and the fact that you instantly deleted my post on your thread simply because it was negative for you. Face the facts. - You banned him because he won 3-4 bets with the excuse that he is not recreational. So, by your standards, anyone who wins is not a recreational player, right?
- You never replied to him regarding his unpleasant experience with your website. Very professional...
- You locked the thread and started a self-moderating one, so that other people who have a negative opinion of you never get the chance to post it.
- He literally wrote over 20 lines of post describing how you did not treat him right, and your only reply/complaint here is that I did not mention that he found deposits and withdraws instant? What a joke...
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So, here is the story... I was searching for a bitcoin sportsbook to bet, and I stumbled upon powerbet.io. It seemed great, and I was ready to deposit, when I saw this in one of their threads:  I found the new thread they started, and posted this: I was ready to deposit and start betting on your website, when I read your other thread and saw this: It seems that you arbitrarily limited this guy just because he won a couple of bets. Furthermore, you NEVER replied to him. AND, you closed the thread and opened a new one to save yourselves from the embarrassment. It really is a pity. I usually bet large amounts (around 1 btc per bet) and I was looking for a website that offers good odds and can handle it. ...and then, not more than 30 seconds later, I got an e-mail saying that my post was deleted because this was a self-moderating thread. See the beauty here? They simply delete all negative feedback without ever even commenting on it. They might as well just take your money and run. There is nothing you can do about it... They'll just delete your comments. |
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@bestgr
Thank you for your suggestion!
After discussing it internally, we think it's an excellent idea and we will implement in our next release. I cannot tell you now what the wages threshold will be but it will be certainly made public when the new version of the website goes live.
Great to hear. Could we chat on Skype? I have some other things that I would like to discuss with you. If so, please PM me your skype id and I will add you. |
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@bestgr
Again thanks for your feedback.
Skipping the human verification step would actually save us a significant workload.
We'll keep collecting opinions here and there and if people are willing to take the risk of an error, then we will grade the bets automatically: theoretically, it means players would get their payoffs about half an hour after the end of the game.
An idea on something you can do in order to not have this situation is to automatically grade all events where the total amount placed is less than X amount. This way, all the non-popular events will be graded really fast since they won't have many bets on them, and the most popular ones will be done manually. This way, even if an error on automatic grading happens, you won't lose much money, since the event has a small amount of bets. I think this could save you lots of man-hours, without risking much. |
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Thanks for your input!
I think bullets 1) and 3) can be implemented in our next release.
I am not so sure about 2) because of space management reasons (website has to functional from both desktop and mobile).
As for bullet 4), the cashout has been disabled for the time being (it was accessible from the Action drop-down button). Actually, it was functional when we offered only back bets but with the introduction of lay bets, it needs to be reworked to allow not only a full resell of the bet but any fraction (from 0% to 100%) of it. I am not sure if this is clear from the website in its current form.
But anyways, the cashout actually consists in placing a bet in the other way to counter your current position. For example, if you had a back bet on the Home victory, the cashout would place a lay bet on the Home victory with the same "magnitude" but with a cost calculated according to all the wages placed on the market so far. As a result, in practice, you can still cashout "manually" by placing an inverse bet: the cashout option simply made the exact match for you in terms of magnitude and made it clearer for the user.
Edit: Just saw your edit. The results of the fixtures are received automatically but we do require a manual confirmation of it before settling the bets. I understand it is a hindrance for players but if by any chance the result set for the fixture is not right (data provider mistake or whatever), then it might be difficult to reverse the payments as players could withdraw their money immediately. We could actually get rid of this manual confirmation step if we state that the game result as set in our system is subject to errors but cannot be argued about. Note that when I say errors might occur, it is probably around 0.1% of the time but still, the player experiencing it will be (legitimately) angry. You seem to be a seasoned gambler: do you think players would accept such terms i.e. trading game result reliability (0.1% of the time) against fast settlement?
Thanks for your reply. I totally understand what you mean about the settlement and I agree that you need to protect yourselves from such mistakes. To be honest, personally, I would prefer having fast settlements by sacrificing the fact that you have the right to revoke a payment in case of grading mistake, but, as you said, other people might be very angry seeing their payment revoked. So, I am not sure I can advise you on that matter, beyond my personal opinion. Thanks for taking suggestions into account! Keep up the good work. I really like your website so far. |
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