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Same story as 20 + pages ago, very funny to look on crying investors. I going to buy popcorn, this story will be better Titanic.
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Inflation is the general increase in prices, so it is the goods that you buy whose price will inflate, rather than the currency used to buy the goods.
Some people want to be different and say that inflation is an increase in money supply (monetary base before all). It may or may not influence the prices...  Those are two possible definition of inflation. Monetary inflation and price inflation. On this forum, yes. Anywhere else (any economics literature...), no. This is like telling a physicist there are two kinds of temperature, one based on molecule vibration and the other based on things being hot.
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Lagarde doesn't know about money, system will collapse ... any serious comments?
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The head of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has warned that deflation remains a real risk to economic recovery in the eurozone. Despite signs of recovery across the world, Christine Lagarde said that potential risks must not be ignored. One of these was the fact that eurozone inflation, at 0.8%, remained "way below" the 2% target set by the European Central Bank (ECB). She was speaking on the final day of the World Economic Forum, in Davos. Deflation can hinder growth, as prices and the value assets continue to fall. More here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25894050
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Yeah i know that my money is NOT of course on some separate bank account but is on one big bank account of bitstamp. I know that. Thats one ofthe reason why im worried because the sums on that account have to in EACH moment far overreach the 100 000K insurance for EUR bank accounts :-)... So if slovenia would seize the money there i wouldnt get anything back :-).
And yeah there are other problems in bitcoin world, but slovenian banks are currentlly regretablly one of them :-(.
Slovenia would seize the money? Please don't write such nonsense. I think what you are (very clumsily) trying to say is, that if Slovenian branch of Unicredit would go bankrupt, Slovenian state would only insure (i.e. vouch for) deposits up to 100.000€, which is standard EU limit. The only problem Bitstamp has are posts like this. I don't think they have their cash sitting on a local Unicredit account anyway and even if they were, Unicredit Slovenia is doing just fine. It was stress tested in 2013 and it didn't have to be included in the bad bank scheme. 3 other banks were included, but even there no deposits were touched, above or bellow 100.000€! Ignorance pumping FUD, all there is to it.
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Wars can be actually pretty good for business. If we were to talk about a zombie apocalypse, that's different story altogether.
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.. There is no objective way to measure something that is subjective. Any growth caused by inflation are false growth.
Two mistakes in your reasoning: 1. It is the other way around; when an economy has by itself a business opportunity to grow, but the money supply doesn't get increased accordingly, this growth will be at least partially hampered. 2. If the prices don't grow, there is no inflation. Please read any definition of inflation you can find apart from the first post in this thread. 1. Utter nonsense, if the business has something the consumer want, they will buy. Growth can be done using Say's Law, reducing price to increase demand. No need to print money out of thin air - inflation. 2. Inflation is when the money supplies expand. Simply as that. Inflation leads to prices going up. Simple as that. Don't tell me to read as i already knew 20 years ago. 1. Company X invents a new product, new sgement and all other prices of unrelated products will fall at once so X can make more money? Yea right, dream on. Most prices are rigid. 2. If you read anything in those 20 years, please post a link where we can find your fabricated definition of inflation. Wikipedia - no, Investopedia - no, any economics scholbook - no ...
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.... This is oversimplification. Inflation (as price increase) also depends on money velocity and productivity. I am also curious about the source of the data...
I didn't say that money supply is the only variable in the equation of exchange. But we need to respect the economic terms for what they are and not mix different categories even if they are in a cause and effect relationship. Equation of exchange (most popular form): M*V = P*Q M - money supply (mass of money in circ.) V - velocity P - price level Q - productivity or quantity of product (goods, services) So if you have a growing economy (Q is rising) and there is no change in the way you do business i.e. trade (V doesn't change) you need to increase the money supply to support this growth. Most prices are downward rigid and this is the only way to make it work. If Q and M are in proportion there is no inflation, just healthy growth supported by growing money supply. This is all pretty elementary, no differences in opinions between economic theories etc. The above is a BS equation as since the ZLB, the Fed has added to money supply but velocity has fallen to 1965 levels. And get this, the Fed can't explain why!!! Yes my friends, QE/money printing is one huge EXPERIMENT that no one truly understands. But I have a pretty good idea it's not going to end well. Honestly, we should get these fucking useless equations out of here. Just because Q is increasing doesn't mean the economy is growing. It could simply be asset price inflation and speculative activity creating the false impression of economic growth. You are assuming V doesn't change when it has fallen to decade lows? WTF? As the money supply has increased V has fallen commensurately. Bet you can't find that one in your neo classical text books. This is the only way to make it work?!? Heads up fellas, it's not working. Period. For everything else there is Bitcoin. Q is quantity of product, price is a separate variabale ... ah what's the point. Go ahead, ignore all theory and blindly believe that almighty Bitcoin will save us all.
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.. There is no objective way to measure something that is subjective. Any growth caused by inflation are false growth.
Two mistakes in your reasoning: 1. It is the other way around; when an economy has by itself a business opportunity to grow, but the money supply doesn't get increased accordingly, this growth will be at least partially hampered. 2. If the prices don't grow, there is no inflation. Please read any definition of inflation you can find apart from the first post in this thread.
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.... This is oversimplification. Inflation (as price increase) also depends on money velocity and productivity. I am also curious about the source of the data...
I didn't say that money supply is the only variable in the equation of exchange. But we need to respect the economic terms for what they are and not mix different categories even if they are in a cause and effect relationship. Equation of exchange (most popular form): M*V = P*Q M - money supply (mass of money in circ.) V - velocity P - price level Q - productivity or quantity of product (goods, services) So if you have a growing economy (Q is rising) and there is no change in the way you do business i.e. trade (V doesn't change) you need to increase the money supply to support this growth. Most prices are downward rigid and this is the only way to make it work. If Q and M are in proportion there is no inflation, just healthy growth supported by growing money supply. This is all pretty elementary, no differences in opinions between economic theories etc.
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... What did you meant by inflation in EU is very low?.....you call inflation running at 10% to 20% very low. I think you were referring to CPI which IS not inflation. Companies can borrow from the bank via people's savings. Look at China and S. Korea.
We need to go to the start of this thread. The idea of dividing price inflation and money supply inflation makes no sense. According to all major sources, these two categories are just cause and effect of inflation. CPI is the most basic measure of inflation worldwide. What are your 10-20% supposed to mean and where did you get this data? As for China; i wouldn't refer to it as an example of a place where people i.e. workers have a good and fair life, it is in fact quite the opposite. See Foxconn...?
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... No, actually the 1% hold a lot of assets, which are being driven up by the debt based system. Most of the 99% own a tiny amount of assets per person in comparison. They are creditors but not in any meaningful way.
The 99% will never be able to become the 1%. This is the system. It is unfair and it has been in place for the last fifty years.
99% of people you meet liking inflation indicates you are probably working in finance, economics or government. Real people with real jobs hate inflation. Especially the millions of unemployed people in the US and Europe.
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No. Inflation in EU is very low, monetary policy is restrictive and EU has significantly higher unemployment than any other major economy. I haven't heard a single unemployed person complain about inflation ever and I've been around a while (Yugoslavia with hyperinflation, Slovenia with own fresh currency and now €). Which 'real' people are you talking about? You are also neglecting companies, business. They do most of the borrowing. People work in companies. Companies need to take loans (or issue shares) to grow business and offer jobs. If a company stops to borrow money it's usually a seriously bad sign, it means it has no idea, no room to grow and it will be overrun by competitors, people lose jobs.
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Calling this nationalization is is misleading. The bank in question (and a few others) were on the verge of bankruptcy. Shares of any bankrupt company are worth nothing. The state set up a bad bank which took over the poisoned assets (bad loans etc.) and pumped several billion € of fresh capital into these banks, so they can now function normally. All of this was conducted under strict EU supervision and with previous approval. Such procedures (healing troubled banks with a bad bank) took place in many EU countries like Finland, Germany, Spain and UK. Some of these bad bank were set up in the 1990s See "bad bank" on wikipedia to learn more. PS Slovenia as a state isn't bankrupt. Public debt after this bad bank scenario increased for those billions that were pumped in these banks, but still it is about 65% of GDP which is average. E.g. Italian debt is 125% of GDB, Greece 160% and Poland 53% ...
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any quantity of money is sufficient for the money supply. prices adjust. inflation discourages capital formation, which, along with technology improvements, is what increases productivity, wealth and the standard of living for everybody. Capital formation is being destroyed by the fiat currencies and global productivity is slowing because of it.
I'm afraid you got it all completely wrong. Most prices (except high tech gadgets) are typically very rigid downward and mild, non-destructive inflation encourages putting money to use from passive cash to active capital form. Deflation on the other hand encourages being passive, holding on to cash, not investing, not taking loans and is as such quite devastating to any economy. Japan is a typical example where deflation alone has crippled a very healthy economic growth for decades.
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The less Bitcoin is usable, more of a bubble it is. If we don't get to a point where goods are massively sold for BTC directly, we just let the BTC exchanges take commissions instead of banks.
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Assume I have 10 bitcoins today. Ten years from now I go to spend them and have the 2% annual "fee" taken. I can only spend 8 bitcoins. I have lost twenty percent of the bitcoins I owned. That is a loss of value. If, as you stated, bitcoin is only a currency the exchange rate is irrelevant. ...
Wrong! If the price of let's say a car in Bitcoins today is 10 BTC and the price of a comparable class car in ten years is 8 BTC you haven't lost any value. You have lost a nominal amount of 2 BTC, but have at the same time retained the full value of your assets in BTC.
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... This would be a hard fork and you would likely get very few people to switch to something that guarantees they will lose a certain amount of value each year. ...
As for people losing money within the system I'm proposing; either you are deliberately oversimplifying or you just don't understand economics. Given the fixed final amount of Bitcoins on one side and the ever growing world economy, Bitcoin is bound to be at least slightly gaining value, prices of goods in Bitcoins are bound to be going down and exchange rates to other currencies are bound to constantly rise. If the yearly fee rate would be smaller or equal to the appreciation rate, nobody would lose their money.
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I challenge you to make any of your theory make sense using the equation of exchange...
At a words-level: the oldest deflationary good there is — land — continues to be traded and recommended for investment, ...
Also, permanent-inflation coins exist. ...
OK, here we go; M*V=P*Q (M=mass, V=revolving velocity, P=price, Q=trading quant.). If we observe the market as it is now, we see that mass is stable and all other variables are very unstable. Price fluctuates and so does trading volume. Most of the time we have low trading volume, with occasional spikes (positive and negative) in price accompanied with much higher volumes. So we can conclude we have low and unstable velocity of money, which I think is pretty bad. The goal should be exactly the opposite, a high and stable velocity, supported by stable prices and constant high trading volumes. When you compare Bitcoin to land, there is one huge difference; land is a resource that provides yield (rent, crops, ...). Bitcoin is just money, it can only provide profit when traded.The only bright future I see is when a currency becomes relevant. Many small coexisting currencies are doomed to also be irrelevant. Bitcoin is now on a good path. For it to succeed completely, it needs a stable price which will allow more and more goods to be sold for Bitcoins directly. Otherwise it will remain more or less a bubble, even if deflatory in nature. I see many people defending the deflatory nature per se. Why??? The goal should be for it to be strong, globally relevant and foremost useful to as many people as possible.You should do some reading about the blockchain and other uses for bitcoin before you make statements like the ones above about it being "just money." Regarding "deflationary nature," (presuming that is what you mean by "deflatory"), most people disagree with the need for inflation (except for statist economists) and see bitcoin as stable alternative. As others have said if you want inflation and think that it is required to succeed, use an alt-coin or start one. If inflation is needed to "be strong, globally relevant and foremost useful to as many people as possible", your alt-coin will take off like wild fire and you'll be a hero. "Stable price" in WHAT term??? Dollars, Yen, Euro, Yuan? They are all inflating away value every day. If by "stable price" you mean stable value, that means no inflation. Again, I'm not advocating inflation. I'm proposing a variable transaction fee to compensate for negative effects of inherent deflation. All major currencies are far more stable than Bitcoin. Bitcoin prices swing over 10% each and every trading day, when was the last time USD did that?
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I challenge you to make any of your theory make sense using the equation of exchange...
At a words-level: the oldest deflationary good there is — land — continues to be traded and recommended for investment, ...
Also, permanent-inflation coins exist. ...
OK, here we go; M*V=P*Q (M=mass, V=revolving velocity, P=price, Q=trading quant.). If we observe the market as it is now, we see that mass is stable and all other variables are very unstable. Price fluctuates and so does trading volume. Most of the time we have low trading volume, with occasional spikes (positive and negative) in price accompanied with much higher volumes. So we can conclude we have low and unstable velocity of money, which I think is pretty bad. The goal should be exactly the opposite, a high and stable velocity, supported by stable prices and constant high trading volumes. When you compare Bitcoin to land, there is one huge difference; land is a resource that provides yield (rent, crops, ...). Bitcoin is just money, it can only provide profit when traded. The only bright future I see is when a currency becomes relevant. Many small coexisting currencies are doomed to also be irrelevant. Bitcoin is now on a good path. For it to succeed completely, it needs a stable price which will allow more and more goods to be sold for Bitcoins directly. Otherwise it will remain more or less a bubble, even if deflatory in nature. I see many people defending the deflatory nature per se. Why??? The goal should be for it to be strong, globally relevant and foremost useful to as many people as possible.
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Go and make a coin that has 1% - 2% inflation instead of trying to change a deflationary one for your own ends  I'm suggesting a solution to Bitcoins problems (mainly volatility). I don't seen any way how I would personally benefit from such a change.
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