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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] meCarreira - Trade Football Players Like Stocks on: December 15, 2023, 04:53:36 PM
Who are the players you launch with? Some known PROs?
2  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Another Fake Gate.io exchange (2&3) on: March 14, 2022, 10:05:09 PM
Here one must be careful. IT MIGHT not be a scam as sometimes, to trick google from shutting down ads, exchanges use such third party domains for ads. Now i would never register there, but its known to happen.
This is for many businesses the only way to advertise in serach results as they create non crypto heavy landing pages where certain buzzwords are missing
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mixer Detection in 2021 on: November 04, 2021, 08:57:25 AM
Which exchangess? Most of the US based ones, like Coinbase & Gemini will close your account if they think funding is coming from a mixer. There are lots of discussions about that happening here and on many other sites.


Coinbase & Binance for example

Your small scale testing is unlikely to raise any red flags because so much cryptocurrency is flowing around and intermingling all the time, it wouldn't make sense to ban people for the odd occasion. The people who will feel these sort of bans are the large scale or regular people where almost all of their transactions are inbound from identifiable mixer addresses. We're talking about people who have many dozens of transactions, probably involving fairly large sums, that fit the profile of someone who is trying to clean their money. One of the big benefits of Bitcoin is traceability so if you have intelligence on mixer addresses and have a lot of activity giving you visibility on "normal" transactions (aka a large exchange) then it's theoretically possible to make some educated connections.

What is a Mixer address? mixers use each address 1 time as far as I know and have seen. I don't see how this is still applicable in 2021. It might have been in the past.

I think mixers are easy to detect when the transaction either comes directly from e.g. a CoinJoin or from a known mixer's wallet. I've never studied mixing heuristic analysis but I think it's not impossible to find at least few of the addresses a mixer owns?
Anyway, I think the easiest way to hide this history is just bouncing your mixed BTC from address to address. After a few days of every-now-and-then bounces, I doubt anyone will have a clue. Perhaps this is a tactic also used by mixers?

I'd be curious to know the answer as well. There most likely still are patterns through which they can find the origin of an address's coins.
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Same goes for coinjoin. In the past wasabi used to out themselves by resusing some of the change addresses but now, all there is left is to label a tx as a potential coinjoin. there is no certainty (as with all heuristic approaches). The bouncing is very easy to track in any graphical display of your transaction history.



Anyway, I think the easiest way to hide this history is just bouncing your mixed BTC from address to address. After a few days of every-now-and-then bounces, I doubt anyone will have a clue. Perhaps this is a tactic also used by mixers?


This tactic would be no match for a standard blockchain analysis tool. They would easily be able to follow that trail of transactions. The key is to use all of the privacy features that some of these new-age mixers present. This includes changing output values to keep any analysis tool from matching up inputs and outputs.

But bouncing transactions around in such a rudimentary way would be highly ineffective.

This is a good point. So as I see, randomized outputvalues with delayed payouts. How can chainanalysis or other analytical services still claim that certain TX is from a mixer. I just don't see how but maybe someone can reassure that it still works.

Overall, my question is really just that: Can one rely on this information by analytical services or not. "Known wallet" stuff is no longer applicable as from what I have seen how mixers work in 2021. Hence in the title "2021". I know it was much easier years ago.

How can Chainanalysis tell that this is not a "legit" transaction but a mixing service.


4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Mixer Detection in 2021 on: November 03, 2021, 06:49:31 PM
I am wondering, whether what I read online makes much sense in regards to exchanges "banning" mixing services.
I tried it and it seems not. I have tried to mix very small amounts through various mixers and used an account on a major exchange to see wheter they will have a problem with it (as they claim) or not.
Fact is no issues after weeks.

I wonder if in 2021, with the level the mixers have reached with delayed payouts etc., it is still possible to detect wheter a UTXO has been created by a mixing transaction or not.

I have no interest in mixing coins but care for analytical reasons only. I (maybe someone does) would not know what heuristic approach would be working where you don't have uncertainty to an extent where it makes no sense to call it information.

5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin lightning OPEN/CLOSE transactions on: October 13, 2021, 06:44:31 PM
Bitcoin lightning off-chain (layer2) so that Bitcoin transactions are not recorded (not need to be mined and those fast TPS.)
layer2 lightning is just nodes that run lightning software
you can open a Lightning channel by depositing bitcoin in multi-sig address so that this transaction is recorded on blockchain.
after that you get bidirectional payment channel or you can Routing your payment Over Lightning.
when you close your channel that balance of that multi-sig address change with your last balance update/

Do you happen to know (even if just testnet) examples of such opening and closing/settle transactions?
Isn't there any special bitcoin script placed in those transactions? So its a simple 2of2 output?
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin lightning OPEN/CLOSE transactions on: October 12, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
I have been trying to find more details about "how lightning channels" are opened but I wasn't able to find much.
The question is only related to the bitcoin blockchain and not layer2 transactions once the channels are opened. So what does a transaction do, in order to open and close a channel and how can they be distinguished from other transactions if this is even possible.

As far as I know, you need to

a) open a channel
b) close a channel (if you wish so)

Those transactions are done ON CHAIN and I wonder if there is examples that someone could/would share.

7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining Reward Block 2,100,000+ on: October 12, 2021, 12:38:49 PM
There have on occasion been miners (or mining pools) that have failed to create the maximum allowed block reward in their blocks.  Therefore, the actual total will end up being less than the 20,999,999.9769 Bitcoins that were theoretically possible when Bitcoin first started.
There are other considerations too. For example, the very first block reward of 50 BTC can never be spent, as the coinbase transaction from the genesis block was never added to the transaction database. There have been two instances of a miner overwriting the block reward from a previous block and therefore effectively permanently burning 100 BTC, before this bug was fixed. There have been a not insignificant number of coins sent to OP_RETURN outputs or other outputs which are provably unspendable. And as you say, a number of examples of miners failing to claim the full block reward and/or the full amount of fees, resulting in them also being irretrievably lost.

It would be very interesting for someone to go through the entire UTXO set and total up the number of provably lost coins which could be subtracted from the maximum possible supply.

I actually did go through all the transactions with an own blockchain parser i have created (this is why i ended up asking this question) and I have found around 3500 BTC (roughly) to be sent to a non spendable output. That was just a high level rough observation, might me much more.

it was simply the difference between balances of all public keys (addresses) as of the time of running the query minus all block rewards ever issued. not sure if that is accurate enough.
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining Reward Block 2,100,000+ on: October 06, 2021, 12:21:47 PM
Anyone knows what will happen? roundig?  Grin
The half a satoshi per block will be lost, and the block reward will go from 0.09765625 BTC to 0.04882812 BTC.

This will happen multiple more times over the rest of bitcoin's future. For example, starting at halving number 13 the reward will progress as follows, losing half a satoshi each time:

0.01220703 BTC
0.00610351 BTC
0.00305175 BTC
0.00152587 BTC
0.00076293 BTC

Because of these cumulative losses, the maximum supply of bitcoin is not 21 million, but rather 20,999,999.97690000. Or at least, it would have been this number if other bitcoin had not been irretrievably lost along the way.



thanks a lot. that is a very clear and logical answer. So indeed we will never have 21 million coins that way.
9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Mining Reward Block 2,100,000+ on: October 06, 2021, 09:45:09 AM
I was wondering what the Bitcoin protocol does when we reach block 2,100,000. As of now, block reward is halved every 210,000 blocks. Now this works fine so far with 8 decimal places but with block reward being 0.09765625 BTC until block 2,099,999 and its then halved, we get the value 0.048828125 which has 9 decimals. 1 too many.

So technically, really just technically, the reward isn't halved by then but either less or more?

I am just curious and fully aware that the 0.000000005 does not make any significant difference even if 1 BTC is in the millions but still.

Anyone knows what will happen? roundig?  Grin
10  Economy / Goods / Re: The Gift Card / Bitcoin Business Model on: December 11, 2020, 05:50:41 PM
Most of the activity in this field is grey at best and at worst illegal. You should steer clear altogether.

Especially with "bulk suppliers" who are actively seeking out 1000's of dollars worth of cards from a "long-term seller" at high discounts (I'm talking >50%), it is pretty much guaranteed that they are not in the legit business.

Watch out for these people on paxful too. If you use a highly discounted GC that proves to be stolen/hacked/carded and you use your address on the order, there is a real risk you'll have law enforcement knocking on your door. Check out some purse.io stories on reddit if you don't believe me.

I would not agree more with you BUT I am not asking for if its legal, grey or something else but the economy behind it. We cannot deny the fact that there is people with over 1000+ Gift Card trades (hundreds of them) and i highly doubt, they pulled of even 10% scams as you can only scam so much with one account. So I am not asking to ENTER that market, god no! Just to understand it.

Sure there must be someone doing this business and have an insight.

Someone sending lets say 0.01 BTC for a 200 USD Gift card for example, must have a way or know exactly, how to avoid being scamed. Doing it 1000 times in 1 year. People are stupid but nobody does a stupid thing a 1000 times if it doesn't work somehow right (i hope not haha)
11  Economy / Goods / Re: The Gift Card / Bitcoin Business Model on: December 10, 2020, 03:04:41 PM
Hi,

I came here to ask a (some) question, hoping not to be fried right away as I have some legitimate questions about the entire Gift card/Crypto business...

Overall I am curious how this entire business works as a whole. I see so many offers on exchanges like paxful and even here in the forum, so I am sure somebody reading this is a pro and could help me out.
I am even willing to pay a small fee to someone who would take the time and walk me through this business on a zoom call or so (message me in pm) as I understand that knowledge is valuable.

Specific questions i have is:

1. Who are the people selling 100 USD Amazon for 60% of the value only? I mean you can get more for that on ebay.
2. How are you making sure, that gift card works and is not cancelled after you got the code?
3. Some People trade for 20k$ a day. what you do with 20k worth of gift cards a day?  Wink
4. Are platforms like amazon allowing a person to redeem millions in gift cards a year without raising any flags?

Looking forward to understand the science behind this business model

cheers

No one rightly (legally) sells amazon cards for 60% off.  Most of these are stolen, or bought using stolen credit cards.  All said if something seems to be good to be true it usually is.  Think about it.  Why would someone sell an Amazon card (which you can literally almost buy anything).  I can see maybe a really niche card that you just wouldn't use personally and sell it at a discount...but not Amazon.

40% off, not 60 but yeah, same thing. I know what you mean. this is where I am but I am sure, there is a whole other business behind it bthat is not stolen cards as what I see, big users int he space do care if the card has been paid with cash and even want a picture of the receipt and that its paid with cash (removes the chargeback risk entirely). The space is too big to just be stolen cards i think
12  Economy / Goods / The Gift Card / Bitcoin Business Model on: December 10, 2020, 02:48:06 PM
Hi,

I came here to ask a (some) question, hoping not to be fried right away as I have some legitimate questions about the entire Gift card/Crypto business...

Overall I am curious how this entire business works as a whole. I see so many offers on exchanges like paxful and even here in the forum, so I am sure somebody reading this is a pro and could help me out.
I am even willing to pay a small fee to someone who would take the time and walk me through this business on a zoom call or so (message me in pm) as I understand that knowledge is valuable.

Specific questions i have is:

1. Who are the people selling 100 USD Amazon for 60% of the value only? I mean you can get more for that on ebay.
2. How are you making sure, that gift card works and is not cancelled after you got the code?
3. Some People trade for 20k$ a day. what you do with 20k worth of gift cards a day?  Wink
4. Are platforms like amazon allowing a person to redeem millions in gift cards a year without raising any flags?

Looking forward to understand the science behind this business model

cheers
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin exchange wallets - How do they know on: November 18, 2020, 01:35:05 PM
It depends.
Some mixers have pattern which shows you that these coins come from a mixer, but still doesn't allow to connect the input from the mixer to the output.

It's like with coinjoins. You'll always know whether the coins came from a coinjoin. But you won't know which inputs corresponds to the output.

Could you explain me about that pattern? Do you have an example of mixer with such pattern and one without so I can try it? (I assume the one in your sig is one without Wink)

Coinjoin is rather rare but also there, how can you see its a coinjoin and not just a wallet with funds?I know that for wasabi you can check for bc1qa24tsgchvuxsaccp8vrnkfd85hrcpafg20kmjw but thats it?

Most of the time, it's when the very recent history (1-2txs) of your address comes from a mixer. If you don't bounce your BTC from address to address after mixing the coins, the mixed transaction is so recent they'll suspect you were the person who used the mixer.

This is what i find very interesting in the first place. How many txs back you go. I man if you go back 20 TX on any address, there is a fair chance to find half the bitcoins tainted in some way. The only clean BTC is a virgin one fresh from the mint, depending on how far back one goes Cool

14  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin exchange wallets - How do they know on: November 16, 2020, 08:46:11 AM
Many of Binance and other exchanges addresses are publicly known.

For example, take a look at tether rich list. Those are the addresses which hold the largest amounts of tether:
https://wallet.tether.to/richlist

Some of them are BTC addresses from exchanges. This is 1FoWyxwPXuj4C6abqwhjDWdz6D4PZgYRjA a omni address from Binance.

Exchanges also receive funds from LOTS of individuals. They need to send funds from hot to cold wallets and vice versa. Those cold wallet addresses will get known very quickly by anyone who is just looking at the blockchain.

Take a look at the bitcoin rich addresses list. There are many exchanges there as well:
https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html



And, you can also check this domain which list all big exchanges addresses:
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Binance.com
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Bitfinex.com
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Kraken.com

And so on, just look for the exchange you want to know.

But why don't they use multiple addresses (like 10,000 different ones)? They actively reduce privacy on the entire network because of this.

What about mixers? How can Binance know that someone used a mixer? Of course, there is always the option of using it yourself but is that really it?
15  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Try to track stolen bitcoins on: November 14, 2020, 09:13:51 PM
the first guy left to make a call and the second wanted to go quick to hospital becouse one relative have problems etc but they told me they will come back quick
You made so many mistakes believing all this BS. When unsure, follow your gut feeling. How can this not raise red flags?

Thats what I was wondering. The moment you trade BTC with cash, the entire alerting system of your mind and body should be running on 100%. Just due to the fact that you do such a deal. Adding the amount of Cash involved, makes it even more true any even slightest flag, may it be just yellow, back away from the deal as legitimate people, NEVER give you flags.
16  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Bitcoin exchange wallets - How do they know on: November 14, 2020, 09:08:11 PM
I was wondering for some time now, how analytics software such as chain analysis or whale alert find out which wallets belong to an exchange. I was trying to find the answer but I was not fully content with what I found so I try here, where I am sure the subject matter experts can explain this to me and maybe other members of the community who care.

First, I know the easy approach of withdrawing from an exchange like Kraken and then they can obviousely see from where the funds were sent. That's easy.
That gives them in most cases 1 to N addresses that recently have been used by that exchange.

Second, they could then find all addresses ever used in combination with the ones used for the initial withdraw (as input) and like that find surely plenty of addresses and transactions that can be allocated to that particular exchange.

BUT is that enough? Is that all they do?

I doubt exchanges share their deposit addresses and withdraw addresses with those service providers even if just anonymous??

Same goes for the fact that some (e.g. Binance) started to ban deposits coming from an address that used a mixer. How would Binance know its a mixer?

If I posted this in the wrong section, I am sorry but I did not know where else to post as its kind of technical
17  Economy / Services / Re: Looking for Staff in Europe on: February 20, 2020, 09:04:40 AM

Thanks for the many replies.

There is no payment details made public as it is very uncommon to put a payment details out in an initial post. However, the payment will be heavily depending on the candidate and what he brings to the table

PM for more information
18  Economy / Services / Looking for Staff in Europe on: February 16, 2020, 11:15:55 AM
Hi all

One of our companies is looking for staff (3-6 members) to set up a new team in Europe. If you are interested in Cryptocurrency, Blockchain and tech in general (i hope, as you are here!) and are fluent in English, this might interest you.

What is required is the following:

- Ability to work from home (fast internet)
- Motivation to work in a goal driven environment
- ABLE TO DEDICATE YOUR TIME TO THE JOB (students OK, if you are fulltime hired somehwere else, NOT OK)
- Ok to be paid in Crypto
- Insured
- Meet once a month in Switzerland or Dubai (expenses paid by company)

The job will be in the client management and operations management part of the company. English is a must as well as good computer skills (no need to be a developer but basic tools must be known). More details in PM

19  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Will Bitcoin EVER have a bigger blocksize? Is there hope? on: November 16, 2019, 02:31:24 PM
Now I know its a highly controversial topic, it's been discussed up and down but honestly, best content so far I could find when using the search function are posts dating back to the time of Mike Hearns etc.

I fully disclose that I am on the side of team "increase the block size", at least to 4MB for now but what is it that opponents worry so much?
It is absolute clear that all the arguments against increasing the blocksize are not justified, at least not anymore considering the current miner landscape.
Lightning is not the solution. Not for me!

So what is in the way of going there? most miners would support the change.

Aware that with 4MB, we would reach the limit again, but at least for now, BTC would be back to be what it was

Then talking of which, why not reduce block time to ~5 minutes while we are at it? Whats the exact trade-off between 5 and 10 minutes?
20  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling Bitcoin min 50btc to 1000btc on: November 15, 2019, 10:45:45 AM
i love it. this thread makes my day.

so in this beautiful logic: a casino has not been robbed, hence you don't get robbed in a casino

i could also assume that i am not getting killed in a hospital, since hospitals don't kill people?
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