@Deviant X

will the dev team be instructing the exchanges to enable the older wallets?

At the moment both Cryptoia and coinexchange have the older wallets in maintenance mode at the dev teams request
Im unable to coinswap any balances in the exchange

yeah yeah good for you. you trolled halongmining in the early days speculating the risks and now your sitting high and mighty saying well you all have buys remorse

however from a commercial perspective some of us entered entered into a contract with halongmining based on the representations they made. that includes representations around performance, capabilities, power consumption, shipping dates and indirectly statements that its competition to bitmain (bitmain can mine any sha256d coin),

halong shipping units for review to the specifications advertised
halong had conversations with myself and no doubt others about the capabilities that the units shipped do not meet
halong on their own website has since changed the product specs to include the performance is only achievable with asicboost (no doubt through advise that they would be making misrepresentations if they didnt disclose) .. btw could only be made available under discover that a class or joint action lawsuit would have the funds to take on

from those perspectives there are avenues for compensation or for the supplier to rectify the issues

you can sit there trolling us all as much as you wont I dont see how that is anyway productive saying 'I told you so', because if we listened to the 'I told you so's' no one would buy anything

did we take a calculated risk in a doggy company .. NO (to clarify that, Im saying Halong is a good company, otherwise we wouldn't have taken the risk)
did halongmining intentionally mislead us .. NO im sure they faced many engineering challenges that fort to overcome to provide us with a product
do I think halong are passionate about there product .. YES

however that does not change the fact the terms of sale, lets call that the sales contract was based on the supplier and exchange of information about set goods
representations direct or indirect where made about those goods

Do though goods meet the specifications published. No they only meet those with caveats that halong announced in the weeks leading up to the first shipments
would that have been important information that buys would have evaluated prior to purchasing the products and evaluating the price of the productions YES
would that have influenced our buying decisions . I can say for me YES that would have, I would have waited 2-3 weeks more and bought 2-3x the amount of S9 for bitmain for the same price

no if you dont understand any of that, well ive got better things to do with my time than explain it to you.

however for those that do, a class/joint action option is a power and cost affective way for us to consider compensation since Halong is making no efforts to resolve the issues

you no nothing about how things proceed

When you file as plaintiff and list a defendant, you can not then just go and add plaintiffs anyway your now clearly just trolling and a bore
go read a few notes on the difference between a class action / jointing proceeding vs traditional proceedings

the actions proceed in different courts due to the increase dollar value, the evidence is pooled to name a few, and class actions are able to recover a larger pool of money that you could as an individual. they also protect the plaintiffs (as the funds are divided)

Ive got better things to do than sit on my phone arguing with you,

as for you asking any questions, you never once asked why I would consider legal actions or my motivations until your last post (go back and read for yourself)

Well my legal degrees in commercial law and international law trumps your opinion.

Since my first post I stated my concerns, my investment, and how I felt misslead
and I asked if others left the same, and if anyone was considering legal action

every subsequent post to you has been explaining my position, you seem to be the one flipping all over the place here

the only thing I didn't disclose is my name, my education, everything which laws, my investment and my concerns where documented post 1 and 2

because not only do i feel ripped off, Ive read and see others feel ripped off

and Ive been asking if others have been considering legal action to either join, or start as a class action, to build a stronger case by sharing our evidence

you have felt the need to troll over the last few hours before 2/3 of the world has even had a chance to catch up on the thread

this is getting boring clearly your not someone that bought one, Ive read in hear people who have and disappointed with them

from a legal aspect there was claims made by halongmining about the specs and performance that the devices shipped did not meet
there was email between myself and scott offord of halongmining sales about the performance, and support for altcoins with sha256d and it was not disclosed about the limitations and pool limitations

they also sent out an early batch to reviewers to comment on, that batch did not need to leverage asicboost ..
I even thing i saw one of the authors of that review just apologies reading between the lines because even he thinks halonmining  have mislead people

the fact that a few people have felt the need to voice their concerns suggest there is a larger community that is more that likely disappointed
cause I can assure you only a small percentage are aware of where they could go to comment, and only a small percentage of people dont like being walked over and misslead to many people settle

as for us trolling, the following is 20 serial numbers I bought out of batch 2 that Im unhappy with $40k USD worth.. thats no chump change

BA02A8427B03**
BA02A8426C08**
BA02A8426C09**
BA02A8421B07**
BA02A8427B03**
BA02A8426C10**
BA02A8426C13**
BA02A8426A08**
BA02A8427B01**
BA02A8426C10**
BA02A8427B01**
BA02A8426C13**
BA02A8417C07**
BA02A8426C12**
BA02A8426C10**
BA02A8427B03**
BA02A8427B01**
BA02A8426C13**
BA02A8421B02**
BA02A8426A08**

as for the 20x bitmain S9 I bough the week earlier I got them ahead of schedule, I got a credit for the price adjustment, and they perform as specified

I will voice this over and over again until I feel halong make this right, and will continue to encourage others to do the same

seems like your trolling ??

Anyway well see what people have to say
I didnt ask 3 times, I replied a few of those times to you

You also expressed that myself and others in here that are p*as off about miss representation and nondisclosures made by the dragon mint miners is simply our “buys remorse”

As an owner I have corrected you and I have pointed you the laws that do cover this and details why this is more than a cases of buyers remorse

So I choose to hold them accountable reading in here others most likely feel the same

Since you seem a spectator in this, you feel like you have something to input on how we feel about the matter ??

No one who owns one has preheats had a chance to read it or comment on it

You said your comment, and when I pointed there is law and presidence for it you just kept going

Guess there a reason your a hero memwber but when I come from not sure that’s a complement

Pretty sure I asked

Is anyone considering a class action?

That was then followed by should we?

And the third time i said is anyone considering it cause I’m all for it

Where I came from that’s a call to understand if anyone else has consider legal action and to understand where they are at. So I can consider joining

But thanks for preempting my next question

If anyone is thinking about it like me, if they want to message me there concerns and location, I can then take numbers and the documented concerns to a lawyer to evaluate if a case is worth following up

That’s how class actions work, a party/group take there case to a lawyer to consider and a greater call for people is published

Its not buyers remorse when key information is either not disclosed especially when ask at point of sale, or the goods do not meet the specifications advertised

your no doubt someone who hasn’t purchased one and sitting behind your keyboard saying we all have buyers remorse

so let me ask you if you bought 1kg or 35oz steak cooked medium rare and was served something that was half the weight and burned.. would you send it back? would you pay for it? would you be satisfied if the restaurant made no efforts to rectify the matter

Not only does China allow for class action lawsuits and has for a while, they have also amended it to address joint litigation, they have also amended there Consumer protection laws

China has a Class action-type litigation in the P.R.C has been in place since the Civil Procedure Law of the P.R.C.(“CPL”) in 1991 which has been amended to provide for filing a “joint litigation”

China’s National People’s Congress passed the “Decision on Revising the Consumer Protection Law (Order No.7 of the President, referred to as the ‘Decision’) Revision to the “Law on the Protection of the Rights and Interests of Consumers 1993’

The new law covers a range of matters including liability for misleading advertising.

In addition to our rights under within P.R.C someone of us for example myself are also protected under Austraian consumer laws and Im sure others in Europe and America will have similar protections

Australian consumers are already provided with extensive rights and protections under the Australian consumer law.
Under the Australian Consumer Law, consumer goods have to be of acceptable quality and fit for purpose. If they’re not, consumers are entitled to a remedy of repair, replacement, or refund. These rights apply when overseas suppliers supply goods to consumers in Australia

I love how people who really have nothing to say have something to say

I spent $40K on miners with them, and Im p*ssed off they are not hitting the numbers advertise
add in the fact I cant mine other pools I prefer, and I cant mine other altcoins with sha256d that I had asked about prior to the sale

I would have purchased Bitmain for the same price out of the next batch (ie waited for the next bitmain order), and would have got them a month before my dragon miners .. my batch 2 dragon miners arrived the 24 May

I also find the Dragonminers really unstable, you try to make changes thye crash and wont start again. You have to power them off for 20 odd mins or reset them before you can do anything. Change pools, change the performance, even static vs dhcp sometimes (all 20 of the damn things)

All I can say is im not dissatisfied with my Bitmain S9 13.5Ts, my 14Ts, my L3+ and ++, my X3s, my B3's, my D3s (well maybe they seem to die faster) or my A3's, or evern my baikal miners

Im really annoyed with my Dragonminers!! and dont think they have done enough to compensate for the limitations 

Would I be happy if they release a firmware that allowed to switch asicboost on/off.. Yes, if that meant I could hit other pools and coins
Would I be happy if they compensated for the lower hash rate and higher power use .. Yes
Would I be happy if they paid compensation for the late shipments .. yes

I would expect that of any business

like i said id anyone else is considering a class action lawsuit im all for it

reading through most of these, it seems most people including myself are dirty with halongmining for the following reasons

1. late shipments, if you haven't already completed the claim form by 15th June do so.
  $5 a day is pretty poor compensation considering I could have made more money mining during that period with my electricity @ 0.065c USD

2. that im limited to BTC, I actually asked at the time of sale if I could mine any sha256d coin and it was never disclosed that there would be a limitation, limited to mining pools that support asicboost. This was not disclosed at the time of sale, had I know this I would have invested in bitmain s9's

So is anyone considering a class action lawsuit? should we?

Now that we have to deal with the extensions to support asicboost
Has anyone looked into if its possible to implement our own pool server supporting the extensions proxying to upstream pools that support coin switching?