Obviously this forum is full of scams as the replies have certainly indicated that. Nonetheless it is up to any buyer / trader to do their own due diligence. It is easy to yell 'scam' but that doesn't make it true. For someone who is really interested it would be easy enough to establish whether what we offer is real or not. And yes...we would have loved to post through an established account. But that wouldn't have been presenting myself authentically. We are not long time BTC investors. We only started doing BTC trades because we were asked to. And once we figured out how to do it ...why not do more. In any case it seems like most of the people here would rather scream 'scam' than are really interested or able to do any real estate trades. That's fine with me. We will move on to other opportunities.

They can and should absolutely do that if they want and are able to handle the KYC and compliance and regulatory hurdles. In my experience there are many, many BTC 'millionaires' who are unable or unwilling to meet compliance requirements...some of them don't even have bank accounts. Not a single large trading company is going to open a trade with them. But yes bottom line is if they can do this - it's the best way. If they can't - I offer a viable alternative.

I'm not a tax attorney nor CPA. Nor am I anyone's babysitter. What they do is up to them. I'm merely conveying that in the scenario given the Seller's trades are reported (trades can be done on multiple trading platforms). Since the buyer trades BTC directly to Seller - that trade is not reported (under current regs). Whether they voluntarily report it is up to the Buyer and their tax professionals to determine as well as the amount of any gain or not. It is certainly not for the Seller to determine what the cost basis is for the Buyers coins. Nor should it be. For instance if the buyer actively traded coins - some of theirs may be traded at a loss and some at a gain, some depending on the trade may be neutral. That is up to the buyer to report or not as they wish.

I understand that there may or may not be capital gains done on a trade for property depending on the cost basis. However, UNLIKE an escrow company a private party is not required (nor am I your conscience) to establish what taxes are due nor file any paperwork with the authorities for the trade. An escrow company has to establish who you are, where the funds came from AND turn in a report at the end of the year showing the transaction. A private party does not have to do any of this.  A SELLER of real property would report their gains on the real estate (if any) but they do not have to report receiving the BTC from the buyer. Those are the current regs. Thus what the Buyer decides to report and and at what basis....or not is up to them. Again the Seller must take the BTC as trade NOT the cash. The Buyer does NOT cash in their BTC to FIAT. If they did that the trade and subsequent cash amount would be reported (Note that ability to do a large trade to FIAT is a whole other problem given KYC and compliance.). The Seller must do the trades. The sale of the BTC and the use of those funds show up under the Sellers name not the Buyers. Feel free to private message me and I can give you the details.

I'm not sure I understand your question. I don't need any documentation from the buyer. As a private party I am not required to follow KYC. As the seller we provide proof of ownership of the property and a current title report. We record the deed after the btc is transferred which as mentioned prior is usually done in person or at an attorney's office (or other trusted party). The ENTIRE transaction is transparent with the buyer or their rep. seeing everything in real time as it happens. Prior to that we share who will establish who we are and that we are identifiable owners of the real estate we are selling. The buyer can also hire someone to verify that - they can even purchase a title report on the property in question (that can be done by an attorney or other agent without KYC requirements).

Don, if you would send me a private message I can provide full detail of how a transaction would work.

Contract to purchase is done in both BTC and Fiat. After contract is done, Buyer transfers BTC to Seller (this is usually done in person or with the Buyers representatives or attorney present). The trades are then executed (also while physically in the same room)  in sellers name and trading account(s). If the buyer wants to remain private he cannot exchange the BTC as this will trigger a reporting event esp in large amounts. Feel free to contact me directly for more details.

There are multiple threads about taxation and reporting running currently. Some accurate and some not.  This is to clarify the understanding of the current regs (esp in the USA) regarding reporting requirements. Many people on this site would like to know what is possible and what is not given the KYC and onerous requirements for the major trading platforms. This was only an informative thread to show that there are ways to move from Crypto to Fiat/real property without triggering automatic reporting.

There are 2 sides to a transaction. A buyer and a seller. In many countries, regulated firms are required to KYC, this by nature will result in a taxable or recorded event (for later taxation and assuming you have Crypto that has gained value) for BOTH the buyer and seller. However, for instance in the US right now a PRIVATE party can accept Crypto without triggering a reportable event. If a buyer transfers coin to a seller and then the Seller exchanges that for FIAT it is only the Seller that has a recorded event. (That said, in most countries both parties have tax reporting requirements however in practical matters it is up to each party in a PRIVATE transaction to report their own transaction.) Let's say Party A wants to purchase real estate DIRECTLY from Party B. Party A transfers coin to Party B who then cashes in the coin. Party B had to have compliance done on them in order to cash in the coin - thus that is reported. Party A however is not reported and thus has moved their coin to 'real assets' without triggering a reportable event. (Not withstanding that they are likely supposed to report that event). This is a slight over simpimplification and there have to be some unique parameters (like Party B must own the real property without a mortgage and properly record a deed upon transfer) however this kind of trade is possible under the current regulatory environment. And yes. It has been done.

I should also note that once the buyer owns the property - they can do whatever they want with it - including borrow against it, sell it again or rent it. The funds at that point are in the 'real world' and can be used in whatever way the new owner sees fit.

The challenge is the privacy issues of the parties that used BTC. With a private party transaction there is no published record other than the recorded deed (which is a matter of record). This is what makes it 'private'. If you buy (or sell) real estate through an escrow company, they publish the sale and report the funds used it to the regulators. They are also subject to KYC rules. As you know - they are required to do this. A private sale (at least right now) is not subject to these reporting arrangements. Neither is the acceptance of BTC in a trade subject to reporting in a private sale. So unfortunately, I cannot provide the privileged information but if someone wants to do a deal I can clearly explain the process. I again note that we follow the law, its just that the regulations for a private sale are VERY different that using a broker/escrow type of sale.

I am a private party who owns multiple luxury properties ($1M-6.5M) on the West Coast of the US. We have serious income generating commercial properties as well. We have done multiple BTC real estate transactions with BTC owners who wanted/needed privacy. We are capable of doing this (given the current regs as a private party we are not under the same KYC requirements as brokers or trading companies).

If you have BTC and have found it difficult to move that investment into USD/real property we can assist.

Feel free to contact me and we can discuss your needs.

Please note this is not an offer to do anything illegal. We offer an above board solution to this difficult situation.

This entire post is incorrect. The Deed of Trust would be for USD NOT BTC. Foreclosure is a standard process. Yes it takes time but (4-6 months) but on at 20%LTV who cares. If there is an interested party I'm happy to explain how this works. People are chiming in who do not understand how a DOT works. (Deed of Trust).

We have no issues getting traditional loans. The offer here is for a mutually beneficial trade. Lender turns their coins to Fiat and gets Fiat interest. We get a slightly below market APR.

The paperwork on this is minimal and the costs are negligible. We already have our trading accounts and OUR compliance done. This enables the lender to remain private if they wish.

We are a private party that has several $1.5 -6.5M+ properties on the West Coast of the USA. We can facilitate BTC trades for the real estate completely privately or through escrow/attorney/CPA.

If you value your privacy this may be a good way to move from BTC to the 'real world'.

This can be done as complicated or as easy as the lender wishes. A contract is drawn up between the parties explaining the process and in fact the trading can be done in person (or at an attorney or CPA or other 3rd party if so desired) so proof of the transaction is obtained simultaneous with the transfers. Once the BTC has changed hands a DOT is recorded at the County recorder. Again - this can be done in person and then verified with a title search or title insurance if the lender wishes. In most states a standard language DOT is actually a part of their state Code (for instance California uses standardized DOT language and just refers to it on the recorded DOT)

I don't necessarily want the BTC. I will likely just cash the BTC in. What I am offering is mutually beneficial for those who have BTC and want to turn it into fiat funds and get a return in the meantime.

We own (own not represent) several luxury real estate properties on the West Coast. Values range from $1.5 to 6.5M. Some are commercial with NNN income exceeding $240,000/year. We are also experienced in BTC trades and can handle multi million dollar transactions from BTC to real property. We know how to do it and we have done it several times. Since we are a private party we do not have the reporting requirements of financial or lending institutions or escrow companies. That will likely change in the near future.

This is a great opportunity to turn your BTC into real estate in a private transaction.

Note that we are happy to use standard escrow as well but we have the ability and the option to do everything privately.

If you are one of the many BTC millionaires that have discovered how difficult it is to cash them in in large amounts - we can do it (for real estate).

Please note we are not interested in illegal transactions or doing trades with mysterious parties. We are interested in doing trades with people who have lots of BTC and want to purchase real assets and who want for whatever personal reasons to maintain their privacy.

We are a private party that has several $4M+ properties on the West Coast of the USA. We are looking for BTC in exchange for First Deeds of Trust for $1M to 1.4M. This can be done through a 'normal 'escrow process but it can also be done private party without reporting requirements. We will agree to a 3/5 year ballon payment at which time the loan will be paid off.

If you value your privacy this may be a good way to move from BTC to the 'real world'.