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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 29, 2018, 11:35:42 PM
The first thing that became a problem was that there was very little public understanding about crypto and there were still many misconceptions about crypto. At first you must know that cryptocurrency is not legalized in any country, so the main reason why cryptocurrency cannot be used as a payment method. also the price of cryptocurrency is not stable.
I agree that an important obstacle to widespread use is the public has very little understanding of cryptocurrency.  On the other hand, most people I ask have heard of Bitcoin.  So, there is some awareness of cryptocurrency.  What needs to happen is a way for the public to understand what cryptocurrency is, how it works, why they should trust it, and most importantly, what advantages it has over traditional payment mechanisms.

I'm not aware of any country that has prohibited using cryptocurrency as a medium of exchange.  So, I don't believe it is illegal. 

What is lacking is government support.  I'm not aware of any country that enthusiastically supports crypto payments.
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 25, 2018, 05:19:36 PM
Fluctuation , technical, fear of hacking etc. These are some common reason. It's need some time to make it mainstream
You highlight "fear of hacking".  In speaking to people about crypto payments, often they ask about "hacking".  The trouble is, none of these people understand what "hacking" means.  They just hear the word in the news and know it is something bad and has something to do with technology.

Before crypto payments will see widespread use people need to,

  • understand what it is
  • how it works
  • why they should trust it
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 25, 2018, 05:15:14 PM
This is only a matter of time, not no, it just hasn't materialized yet. Not that easy and there are no shortcuts. You must be more patient. You can not do anything at a time. Many new ICO projects are launched every day. Not everything develops overnight.
Agreed that it can still be successful but the chances are very low when people are still not positive about it, they still believe in popular payment instruments such as cash and credit cards, these tools are guaranteed by law and government. It's safer while cryptocurrency does not seem to guarantee user safety, when we lose money, no one is responsible or protective of us, and of course, from that, the popularity of crypcurrency is very low, more time can not change too many things, it is not created for the main purpose as payment
Very few people know what cryptocurrency is, how it works, or why they should trust it.  Most importantly, people need to understand what about it makes it better than traditional payment mechanisms such as cash, cheques, or cards. 

You highlight a benefit to merchants about crypto payments... it's guaranteed payment with no way for the buyer to reverse a payment, as is the case with card payments.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 19, 2018, 06:50:08 PM
This is only a matter of time, not no, it just hasn't materialized yet. Not that easy and there are no shortcuts. You must be more patient. You can not do anything at a time. Many new ICO projects are launched every day. Not everything develops overnight.
It's been nearly 10 years.

Credit cards were introduced in the the late 1950s.  By the late 1960s, they were used widely (certainly a larger percentage of payments than crypto payments).

Of course, any new payment technology will take time to gain acceptance.  My question is based on the observation that we are nearly ten years into this payment technology invention, and therefore, by now it should more widely used.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 15, 2018, 01:48:21 AM
The government.
I wouldn't blame the government for this.  Businesses are perfectly capable of accepting crypto if they so desired and payment processors like bitpay do exist.  What I would argue is that merchants are just not interested in doing it, or at least not most of them.

There have been some governments who have banned crypto if i'm not mistaken, but it currently is not a systemic problem.  In the US, there is a local restaurant that I know of that accepts bitcoin and the government has no problem with this.  The truth is that its a pain in the ass for the business.  They're used to cash and credit cards and those methods are fast and easy.

Also if bitcoin hasn't gained a foothold, do you really think altcoins are going to?  I would argue that a good percentage of the world population doesn't even know ETH exists and they certainly don't know that coins like WAVES or LTC exist.  Though I don't want it to be this way, the fact is that people are comfortable with banks and cash and plastic money.  Those things are ubiquitous and crypto is not.
No government has forbidden consumers or merchants from using or accepting crypto payments.  So, they aren't a obstacle per se.

Now, gaining governments enthusiastic support because there is a cryptocurrency designed to make applying their regulations easier and more efficient would be quite helpful.  I see this being the opportunity.

People don't care about what cryptocurrency is behind a crypto payment.  What they care is that there is some advantage to them for using crypto payments, that it is easy to use, and that enough consumers and merchants use and accept it.

That means there must be innovation on the mobile payment applications and POS systems to make these things happen.

6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 15, 2018, 01:41:50 AM
Hey jatoman,

I think the largest reason crypto is not yet successful as a medium of payment is because it is a complicated technology and it is marketed like one. Furthermore, buying cryptocurrency and using it is much more difficult than fiat currencies. As crypto gets more exposure and better understanding, its use will increase.

Best,
CafeCoin
https://cafe-coin.com/
Yes, I agree there needs to be innovation to make it easier for consumers and merchants to use and accept crypto payments.  It needs to as simple as paying with a credit/debit card.

And, your point about exposure is right on.  There needs to be promotion of how crypto payments work, why people should trust these, and most importantly, what about crypto payments is better than traditional payments such as cash or card.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 15, 2018, 12:40:04 AM
be sent to the seller's account in form of USD not cryptocurrency anymore, guess that solve the problem.
Yes, ideas like this help address the price volatility problem.
Fixed payments will indeed overcome the problem of volatility but people need certain regulations, crypto does not have that.
Collaborating with regulators will result in a design for a cryptocurrency that meets the needs of regulators.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 10, 2018, 02:26:17 AM
I don't think it has worked, it doesn't mean it doesn't work. we know that market movements are very fast affecting the value of the crypto aser. I think this makes crypto unable to be used as a payment instrument. but there are some that have implemented it, maybe new bitcoin and ethereum are accepted.
There's some payment gateway out there that gives the fixed rate when the client is about to purchase with bitcoin therefore preventing fluctuation that could happen when the transaction was made.
the money then will be sent to the seller's account in form of USD not cryptocurrency anymore, guess that solve the problem.
Yes, ideas like this help address the price volatility problem.
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 10, 2018, 02:07:57 AM
The global economy is nearly 80 trillion USD per year.  Payments using any type of cryptocurrency as a medium of payment is a tiny fraction of this total.

What are some of the reasons preventing cryptocurrency from being more successful as a medium of payment?
Probably, the problem is the market volatility of cryptocurrencies. Fiat as a medium is having a stable market value which us an important aspect in order to promote equality. So since the market value of most cryptos are lacking stability, making it a medium of payment won't be as effective as the functionality of usd and other regular currencies.
No doubt, extreme price volatility is a significant obstacle.

All fiat currencies are volatile in that their values change constantly.  Very few fiat currencies experience extreme price volatility.

So, for a cryptocurrency to be widely used it must avoid having extreme price volatility.
And it can be avoided through use the blockchain with the best scalability ever. It will be easy to liquidaty if the blockchain can deliver it in a second without a lot of requirements. It cna be done easily to avoid the extreme volatility in the xrypto market.
I agree that the best tactic to avoid exposure to extreme price volatility is a cryptocurrency payment application capable of converting from fiat currency to crypto and from crypto to fiat currency in just a few seconds.

Consider an application that works like this.

1. There is a smartphone application that is a closed-loop payment system.
2. Like all closed-loop payment systems, consumers upload fiat currency from their bank accounts or credit cards to this smartphone application.
3. The smartphone application holds this fiat currency until consumers are ready to buy something from a merchant that accepts a specified cryptocurrency.
4. When it is time to make a purchase the smartphone application converts the fiat currency into the cryptocurrency.
5. At the point of sale (POS), consumers use the smartphone application to display QR Code (or, barcode) that the merchants' POS systems can read.
6. The POS system registers the sale and accepts a crypto payment from the consumers.
7. Merchants now have cryptocurrency they can spend.
8. Or, merchants can convert this cryptocurrency into fiat currency

The amount of time between #4 and #8 can be a few seconds.  The result is neither consumers nor merchants are exposed to price volatility.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 09, 2018, 11:48:59 PM
The global economy is nearly 80 trillion USD per year.  Payments using any type of cryptocurrency as a medium of payment is a tiny fraction of this total.

What are some of the reasons preventing cryptocurrency from being more successful as a medium of payment?
Probably, the problem is the market volatility of cryptocurrencies. Fiat as a medium is having a stable market value which us an important aspect in order to promote equality. So since the market value of most cryptos are lacking stability, making it a medium of payment won't be as effective as the functionality of usd and other regular currencies.
No doubt, extreme price volatility is a significant obstacle.

All fiat currencies are volatile in that their values change constantly.  Very few fiat currencies experience extreme price volatility.

So, for a cryptocurrency to be widely used it must avoid having extreme price volatility.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 09, 2018, 11:16:24 PM
Maybe because most of the countries have already a currency that they are being used intensively, changing that parameter would be difficult when you have so much time used to dealing with your currency, plus, bitcoin is still really volatile, it can rise in price but it can also drop abruptaly, and that generates losses to the business that could implement it as a medium of payment
Naturally, all countries have a currency (fiat currency).  And yes, most people are accustomed to paying with fiat currency.

People will change only when there are advantages in using an alternative payment method such as crypto payments. 

So, a question is, "what about crypto payments is better than paying with traditional payments such as cash or card payments?"

From the buyer's perspective, crypto payments provide a way to make electronic payments without requiring a bank account or a credit card.  For people that do not have access to banking services, or do not want to use banking services this is an important advantage.  There are other advantages.

From the seller's perspective, crypto payments eliminate cash payments.  Most merchants find cash undesirable because of the cost of processing cash and the security risk.  Crypto payments are much less expensive than card payments.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 05, 2018, 06:26:04 PM
Electronic money is not considered an official means of payment in other countries. Because most of the transactions through the code thanks to the network connection on the computer. And in particular it is not the official currency used it is not protected by law.
In many countries most payments are not cash.  For decades electronic payments and cheques have far surpassed the number of cash payments.

So, I'm not certain what you mean by "official means of payment" because neither electronic payments nor cheques are an official means of payment, and these are widely used.

Cryptocurrency payments or "crypto payments" are a type of closed-loop payment.
http://www.intelligentvenues.com/faqs/what-are-the-differences-between-open-and-closed-loop-payment-systems/

Just like any other closed-loop payment system such as a credit card, it uses a system of ledgers to track amounts among accounts of consumers, merchants, and banks.  These too use a system of electronic codes that pass through a computer network.  Functionally, crypto payments work like credit card payments.


Now, I don't believe anyone has.  Card interchanges such as American Express or Visa do offer fraud and other protections to consumers.  Crypto payments do not. 

I do not believe this is something consumers are aware.  So, I doubt this is among the top reasons why crypto payments are not widely used.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 04, 2018, 10:48:02 PM
Cryptocurrencies appeared only few years ago. Fiat money exists few thousand years. But I believe that in 5-6 years fiat money will be replaced by crypto in developed countries.
Revolutionary payment methods rarely are introduced.  The credit card was invented in the late 1950s.  It took the invention of the debit card before card payments saw widespread use.  Card payments surpassed cheque payments in the 1990s.
https://www.marketplace.org/2011/08/18/business/news-brief/short-history-debit-card

It will  take a combination of promotion and innovation before cryptocurrency will see widespread use.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: August 01, 2018, 08:09:27 PM
First of all, the cryptocurrency must be known to more people. Secondly, the national government needs to be recognized, which will speed up the promotion and growth of cryptocurrency. I hope to arrive sooner.

It needs to be regulated by the government first before it becomes a legal tender of payment. As a medium of payment, some people are already using it including me when I wanted to pay my bills because we have a platform wherein we can pay our bills using cryptocurrencies so it makes it easier for the crypto users in our country to do such thing. The scope of being a successful medium of payment may be small for now but later on, it would become larger.
most governments agree with this technology and some disagree because the reasons are so vulnerable to misuse by irresponsible people. therefore cryptocurrency requires legalization around the world as an alternative to how to transact valid payments, so that its function can be used by all people around the world.
Some governments are concerned about ICOs because these are securities offerings and therefore should be regulated by Securities Law.  Many ICOs evade Securities Law and this is why some governments have prohibited ICOs.  This isn't the same as prohibiting the use of cryptocurrency as a medium of exchange.

I'm not aware of any government that has prohibited the use of cryptocurrency as a medium of payment.  So, that means that no cryptocurrency is illegal to use as a medium of payment.

I agree that governments enthusiastically supporting a cryptocurrency as a medium of payment will help in people trusting using this cryptocurrency.
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: July 31, 2018, 09:07:06 PM
First of all, the cryptocurrency must be known to more people. Secondly, the national government needs to be recognized, which will speed up the promotion and growth of cryptocurrency. I hope to arrive sooner.

It needs to be regulated by the government first before it becomes a legal tender of payment. As a medium of payment, some people are already using it including me when I wanted to pay my bills because we have a platform wherein we can pay our bills using cryptocurrencies so it makes it easier for the crypto users in our country to do such thing. The scope of being a successful medium of payment may be small for now but later on, it would become larger.
I doubt any government will make a cryptocurrency their legal tender, as they will insist this be their national currency.

Some governments may create a digital currency, not based on blockchain technology, they will designate as legal tender to augment their traditional currency (banknotes and coins).

And, for certain cryptocurrency is being used as a medium of payment.  That's not the question.

Instead, the question is what are some of the obstacles preventing widespread use.  Crypto payments represent less than 1/100 of one percent of payments in global commerce.  I don't consider this "widespread use".

I agree that gaining support from governments for using a cryptocurrency as a medium of exchange is essential to achieving widespread use.  To gain such support, there needs to be a collaboration between regulators and cryptocurrency designers so that the design of a cryptocurrency makes it more efficient and effective for regulators to apply their regulations.
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: July 31, 2018, 05:37:14 AM
Crypto is indeed still far from the word success in media payments. There are still many obstacles for this to be done properly. still, the number of rejection for crypto certainly become the most tangible obstacle occurs. not to mention the technology there is also judged to have not been too good and facilitate to make it as a medium of payment is good and perfect.
Yes, this thread his highlighted several obstacles.

I agree to be done properly, there is still a lot of innovation required.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: July 31, 2018, 04:45:52 AM
The global economy is nearly 80 trillion USD per year.  Payments using any type of cryptocurrency as a medium of payment is a tiny fraction of this total.

What are some of the reasons preventing cryptocurrency from being more successful as a medium of payment?

first of all cryptocurrencies are not enough fast for payments. it takes time for approvement. especially for bitcoin. second volatility is very high so there is a risk for both buyers and sellers. third it is still not easy to cash out from cryptocurrencies because of some regulations.
Cryptocurrency can move any amount of money from anywhere to anywhere in moments for essentially no cost.  So, I'm skeptical that speed is an obstacle to widespread use.

Now, some cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin and ether are too slow for payments as both have a low transaction rate (less than 10 transactions per minute) and long confirmation times (bitcoin takes nearly an hour).  Other cryptocurrencies are better suited for payment because they have higher transaction rate and shorted confirmation times.

And, perhaps there will be a new cryptocurrency designed to have extremely high transaction rates... much higher than card interchanges such as Visa International, and where confirmation happens within a few seconds.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: July 30, 2018, 07:05:51 PM
Lets assume bitcoin has a larger community and the oldest blockchain,and never prepared for such a large population, so which might have struggled for this reason. What can we say for those that opted for coin for online payment even for their online shopping mall like SGGCOIN, INS that never succeeded? Another factor for bitcoin medium of payment is its volatility. Tether should be an option of payment with its stable value, I hope it can be adopted.
Without question, extreme price volatility makes a currency undesirable as a medium of exchange (MoE).  At times BTC has been more stable than the USD.  Of course, there have been times of extreme price volatility.

The best tactic to allow a cryptocurrency to be used as a MoE is to design it such that a buyer and/or a seller can quickly convert from fiat or to fiat currency in moments such that there is no exposure to price volatility.

Consider if at time of purchase the buyer can upload from their bank account or credit card a sum of fiat currency and the wallet immediate converts this into this cryptocurrency, and then transfers this cryptocurrency to the seller's point of sale system, where the POS system converts the cryptocurrency into a fiat currency (let's a different currency than the one the buyer loaded into the wallet).  This sequence could happen in a span of a few seconds.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: July 30, 2018, 02:01:34 AM
The global economy is nearly 80 trillion USD per year.  Payments using any type of cryptocurrency as a medium of payment is a tiny fraction of this total.

What are some of the reasons preventing cryptocurrency from being more successful as a medium of payment?

Not every country can actually manage to have a good economy and that is the reason why cryptocurrency will not always grow because it also requires a legalization from the government.
I'm not aware of any jurisdiction that has prohibited using cryptocurrency for payments.  Some have banned ICOs and other security related uses cryptocurrency. So, I'm skeptical that prohibition is an obstacle.

I'm also not aware of any jurisdiction that enthusiastically supports a cryptocurrency. Until there is a cryptocurrency that helps governments apply regulations, I doubt there will be such support.

What needs to happen is a collaboration between cryptocurrency designers and regulators.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't cryptocurrencies successful as a medium of payment on: July 28, 2018, 07:16:56 PM
The reason why cryptocurrencies are not successful as a medium of payment varies from region to region, and country to country, depending on how exposed or developed the people are. Ideally, the majot reason has to be that it is not as easy and convenient to use as compared to using cash.

I would give an example of the question, How can older people and children use crypto currency in everyday life? After all, the fact is that cash not only because of people's habits is the most desired way of paying bills, but also the ease of use plays a very big role.
As a senior citizen or child mature enough to buy a bag of figs, I want to use my internet accessible smart device to purchase a bag of figs from a produce merchant that accepts digital payments using her internet accessible smart device so that I don't to have to risk my personal safety carrying cash.
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