Bitcoin Forum
June 25, 2024, 04:35:26 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: [1]
1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum? on: February 09, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Quote
If you want to wallow in defeatism, fine.

No, I'm not. What I proposed I already expressed:

1. Alternative Internet (could be decentralized WiFi router based).
2. New system of encryption of messages over the network - private cryptography where the ciphers are unknown to the Secret Government.
3. Arms. You better get yourself a gun in the world that's coming.

Great to hear! All those all ideas are something I can support.
I think we cripple ourselves by presuming that the enemy has every advantage and therefore anything we don't fully understand must be a part of the NSA's sinister plan to enslave humanity. 


2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum? on: February 09, 2014, 08:06:13 PM
Quote
We are using their own control grid to mess up their shit, and they are getting scared.

No, we are not messing up anything, we are playing in the sandbox. The reason they created the Internet was to put all communications at one place for the purpose of achieving perfect surveillance. (it fulfills part of the Cummunist Manifesto - Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State)
Look at "Interception Capabilities 2000" http://www.cyber-rights.org/interception/stoa/ic2kreport.htm
e.g.
Quote
It follows that foreign Internet traffic of communications intelligence interest - consisting of e-mail, file transfers, "virtual private networks" operated over the internet, and some other messages - will form at best a few per cent of the traffic on most US Internet exchanges or backbone links. According to a former employee, NSA had by 1995 installed "sniffer" software to collect such traffic at nine major Internet exchange points (IXPs).(37) The first two such sites identified, FIX East and FIX West, are operated by US government agencies. They are closely linked to nearby commercial locations, MAE East and MAE West (see table). Three other sites listed were Network Access Points originally developed by the US National Science Foundation to provide the US Internet with its initial "backbone".

 Yes, they have a comprehensive surveillance grid. What I'm pointing out is that it is turning out to be a two way street. There have been MANY instances where it has come back to bite them in the ass and will continue to do so.
Benghazi, Syria, Boston... All examples where the system was forced to backpedal in the face of public outcry and criticism.

Of course we are not out of the woods! But there are rays of hope, and it is not a foregone conclusion that the system is gonna win.

If you want to wallow in defeatism, fine. Maybe you should unplug all your electronics and go hide under your bed.

Me, I'm going to use every tool at my disposal to try to win whatever freedom I can.

Even if those tools are not perfect.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum? on: February 09, 2014, 07:19:12 PM
Quote
It seems to me, that if there are vulnerabilities or potential backdoors, the incentive would be huge for hackers and coders to find these vulnerabilities and exploit them.
There is no backdoors in the official version of the program as far as I know. Only the Gestapo/NKVD will be allowed to fully access to your digital information. Little swindlers will not.

Quote
good thing bitcoins can't be turned off by deactivating a chip...
It's only a matter of time. When the world accepts the cashless system you will be required to wear GPS/Cell tower trackable chip which will be always with you and always online connected to the supercomputer.




I think you place way too much faith in our adversary.

 The powers that be are dangerous and evil, but they are human, they screw up and they can be thwarted.
Case in point... the internet. They underestimated people. They thought we would just use it to look at porn and cat pictures while they could categorize us and identify subversives.

The problem was, people have a hell of a lot more to say than they ever imagined. We are using their own control grid to mess up their shit, and they are getting scared.

They are now looking for ways to reign it in, but they won't be able to. Not without mass revolt.
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum? on: February 09, 2014, 06:54:07 PM
@theTruth

Tell me.

Just how does a decentralized currency that cannot be controlled by a central authority serve the interests of of a centralized world government?

Bitcoin does pretty much the opposite of what any self respecting one-world totalitatrian government would want.

Back doors in the code, only top secret services know about and the average code monkey can never figure out.

Or

It is used as a pump and dump tool by big banks who are experimenting with cryptography based currencies.

So none of the people currently working on Bitcoin, and modifying it to create alt coins are bright enough to understand what the code does?
It seems to me, that if there are vulnerabilities or potential backdoors, the incentive would be huge for hackers and coders to find these vulnerabilities and exploit them. Why use keyloggers and viruses to rip a few coins off from users too lazy to secure their machines when there are known addresses with huge balances?


Pump and dump. Banks pump, dump and generally fuck up every damn thing they can exert influence over. The mortgage bubble, the current stock market, hell, pretty much the entire economy. So, yeah, they will mess with crypto too.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum? on: February 09, 2014, 06:19:05 PM
@theTruth

Tell me.

Just how does a decentralized currency that cannot be controlled by a central authority serve the interests of of a centralized world government?

Bitcoin does pretty much the opposite of what any self respecting one-world totalitatrian government would want.
6  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Ethereum flawed? on: January 28, 2014, 12:46:51 AM
Ethereum is flawed because :

- the creator is too greedy (36 millions Dollars IPO + 50% pre-mine + people will have their coin confiscated for 1 year)

- the creator is the first in the world of cryptocurrency to be a public figure and want fame

- people from the banking system are behind it

- the devs are not going to develop any application, so they are not going to add any value

- the development toolkit is a simplification of C++ which mean that : no application will ever be optimised, no application will ever be as effective a an application directly written in C++

- the bloated blockchain problem is going to be infinitely worse in Ethereum than Bitcoin

- the Proof-of-Work system (makes it a 1st gen currency not a 2nd) is not viable in long term because of the growing energy and hardware requirement

- the Ethereum “Dagger” PoW function is flawed

- Ethereum push people to do copycoin and scam IPO, soon there will be MILLIONS of this shit everyday



Thanks for the list.
And to think that I was even considering "participating" at one point...
Hopefully, people will stay away.
7  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Ethereum flawed? on: January 27, 2014, 08:27:04 AM
So you afraid that ethereum will become a decentralized platform for centralized operations?

Yes, that is exactly what I'm worried about.
If they could design a system of interlocking scripted contracts, they could create an "approved" system of wallets that they control.

Then they could use existing laws, or have new ones enacted that force exchanges (or anybody else) to trade only within the group of "trusted" accounts.

Like I said, I'm not too much of a programmer or software engineer. But I have dabbled with relational databases that perform scripts and calculations (Filemaker). It is almost scary what you can construct with a few scripts and calculations. You can really make data jump through hoops.

Don't get me wrong, I like the potential here. It's just that something like this could really be misused  and I don't know how it could be brought back in check.

Edit:
As I re-read this, I feel that I may come off as too strident about this.
I think that I should stress that I am in no way an expert, and honestly don't know if what I described is possible. It just seems to me that it might be.
I look forward to hearing from others who know more about it.
8  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Ethereum flawed? on: January 27, 2014, 08:01:03 AM
Can someone link me to the information page, or describe to me what is different about this coin?
Here's a link to the whitepaper
http://ethereum.org/ethereum.html

And to their website
http://ethereum.org/

The blog portion of the site also has some interesting articles about the "turing complete" aspect of their built in script language.
9  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Ethereum flawed? on: January 27, 2014, 01:48:24 AM
Good post. Food for thought ! Ethereum is fascinating, it's at the top of my research list.

Thanks, I hope you share some of what you find out.
10  Other / Beginners & Help / Ethereum flawed? on: January 27, 2014, 12:26:47 AM
I did a quick forum search about Etherium after I wrote this post and I can see that I'm not the only one with misgivings, but I'll post this anyway.

 I'm new to cryptocurrency, and am certainly no programmer.

The thing I like the most about cryptocurrency is the potential for bypassing the current financial system. In my opinion, the current system is completely inadequate to serve the needs of a digital economy, and is corrupt beyond any hope for reform.

Among the new cryptocurrencies popping up, Ethereum is one that seems to be very promising. In addition to Bitcoin's block chain, it has a scripting language that allows wallets and transactions to be controlled by contracts.

This is a feature that could be very helpful if used in the right way. For example, you could theoretically set up a wallet for a kid's allowance that limits withdrawals, or specifies which addresses they may spend money at.

According to the currency's developers, the sky is pretty much the limit as far as what you can accomplish with interlocking contracts... so long as you are able to pay for the computational power needed to run the contracts.

 From the Ethereum white paper:
 “Universality - a fundamental part of Ethereum's design philosophy is that Ethereum does not have "features". Instead, Ethereum provides an internal Turing-complete scripting language, which a programmer can use to construct any smart contract or transaction type that can be mathematically defined. Want to invent your own financial derivative? With Ethereum, you can. Want to make your own currency? Set it up as an Ethereum contract. Want to set up a full-scale Daemon or Skynet? You may need to have a few thousand interlocking contracts, and be sure to feed them generously, to do that, but nothing is stopping you with Ethereum at your fingertips. “

So I don't see what would prevent the banks and regulators from using Ethereum's  scripting system to build a walled garden network of  “approved” wallets, controlled by contracts that give themselves regulatory control. These wallets would only be able to transact with other approved addresses and could also be seized or frozen by regulators.
They could then use their political clout to force the exchanges to do business only within their approved network.

It seems to me that Ethereum could easily be captured this way. At least most of the users herded back into the slaughter pen.

I don't think that most of the public would even object to it. In my bitter experience, short term self interest and convenience take a back seat to principles and freedom with the vast majority of people.

I  hope that I'm wrong about this, and would love to find out why.
Pages: [1]
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!