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Looks like the snapshot was done on 31.08.2018 at 23:00 UTC... but looks like the "CEO" has arbitrary decided to take another one because some people speculate with it...  |
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i dont care about the money
Yes you do, you wouldn't be here if you don't  telegram is full of messages that you get XX.XX$ and that this is more than you have invested. But in BTC you lost 55%.
Can you clarify this? For example, if you invested 1BTC you should get 1BTC refund and forked coins. What is this $ nonsense? Can you say, if it is not secret, how many bitcoins you had invested and how many bitcoins you will receive back? I don't know if vlom is an investor or if he holds NVST, if he would he would be just more entitled to an answer from escrow, I am an investor too but nobody gave me an answer... As I wrote over, I don't know vlom invested something but I will clarify for me at least... at ico end we got (more or less) 1 NVST for 0.00020367 BTC (1.40USD right now)... I invested about 0.10BTC and got a bit more than a 1000NVST back But what we will get now will be 0.00009292961 about 0.65USD which is yes a bit more than what we invested but in USD, in BTC we got less than the half... The point here, for me at least, is about clarity and give an account of how the funds were handled by escrow and used by the team... As I've said many times already, the team still holds more than 100BTC than will never be returned, there is no mention of where and to who the forks went, there is no mention of why the 2nd milestone (which was blocked by the escrows) won't be returned too... The ceo himself said that 40% of the funds have been used... nonetheless we will get just a bit more than 40% refund while the rest (~20%) will get probably sucked off by the team and escrows... |
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what is still missing is the prove that this is the correct amount.
i dont care about the money. telegram is full of messages that you get XX.XX$ and that this is more than you have invested. But in BTC you lost 55%.
and i dont really care about this neither.
i just cant stand the ignorance and the arrogance of the escrows. and what is even worth is that a lot of people just say: "hey, I get some money back. I dont care how this was handled and calculated".
to give some money back is just a loop hole.
Ya, that amount is literally hundreds of BTC away from what has been determined in this thread, correct? It seems nobody was happy with the development, so no more than 30% of the BTC should have ever been released. They said that one of the recipients refused their share, so the amount should have actually been lower. Then you have all the altcoins and forked coins, which made up a hefty sum that should have resulted in most of the BTC if not all being recovered for investors, no? How they could lose 55% of their BTC while in escrow with no product to show for it is insane. Escrows walking away with a payday in this scenario is absolutely fraudulent. I really hope they decide to do the right thing in the end, but as has been stated on Lauda's trust feedback long ago, " Sometimes hope for betterment is wasted." Correct, but we have no way of proving the calculations here without the collaboration from escrow (or someone tracking the txs trail)... we still haven't a clue about the forks too... No statement from the "CEO" about the fact that he wrote himself that only 30% of funds have been spent... So why we get a bit more than 40%? Wouldn't be correct to return all the money since this project is a total disaster? No statement from Ton too about the fact that the team is still in possession of 100 and more BTC from the milestones... Then he's telling us "I won't do any ICO no more, maybe I will airdrop some token to the holders"... well thank you very much since you are still sitting on our money that you didn't return... Easy to risk money that they never had to work for... Based on the amount of bitcoin missing/unaccounted for, the escrow fee is in the millions of dollars and nears 1,000 btc, and exceeds 60% of what is being disbursed.
I don't know if 1000BTC are all being taken from the escrows... what I know is that there is no TXID, no addresses to which the milestone were released, no accounting due to "investors safety" issues, no proof that the numbers from Lauda are correct... Only the one I have personally tracked and after following the transactions I can assure that the team got still at least 100BTC that will never be returned... |
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well, the refund "will" happen. ton, [29 Aug 2018 at 00:21:11]:
The final refund amount is 1,393.94415407 BTC[1], which correlates to the initial estimate of ~1400 BTC. The *official* timeline is as follows:
1) Thursday, August 30 - Vote closes.
2) Friday, August 31 - Snapshot[2].
3) Saturday, September 1 - Refunds begin[3].
Notes:
[1] Once I have a total transaction fee estimate, this amount will be appropriately truncated at a certain decimal. This will also be mentioned in one of the following posts.
[2] The snapshot time will be random (i.e. exact time of day will not be announced) to prevent any adversary from gaming the system. Everyone is advised to remove any sell orders that you might have on the market and/or move to an appropriate wallet if necessary. If you own the private key to the address where your NVST is, then you are good to go. You, and only you, are liable in the event that you fail to adhere to adhere to this. The snapshot will be archived and a link to it will be provided to the public.
[3] The amount of time for all refunds to be processed can not be estimated. I'll be available every single day until this is completed, but each transaction requires another signatory. Every transaction will be created and verified manually. There is no room for errors.
Appendix:
1) The address 1HF9qmvVz6EMu5ihjkbstpBwAVb9jdm9Lh will be excluded from the refunds. On it are unallocated tokens which can't be distributed. This issue stems from a chain of events which led to essentially what I'd call, theft of both the NVO domain and the database. The amount on it is 449,660.58536489 NVST, which represents 2.9977372357659333% of the supply. The exact percentage of the refund balance, which is 41.78678295 BTC will be set aside until a solution to this issue is found. I have decided to not let this issue delay the refund.
2) Therefore, the amount of issued tokens is 15 000 000 - 449,660.58536489 = 14 550 339.4146. The amount of BTC that will be refunded over this amount is 1,393.94415407 - 41.78678295 = 1352.15737112. This represents a rate of 0.00009292961 BTC/NVST. Example ~ refund amounts:
1k NVST -> 0.09292961 BTC.
10k NVST -> 0.9292961 BTC.
100k NVST -> 9.292961 BTC.
From Lauda, escrow what is still missing is the prove that this is the correct amount. i dont care about the money. telegram is full of messages that you get XX.XX$ and that this is more than you have invested. But in BTC you lost 55%. and i dont really care about this neither. i just cant stand the ignorance and the arrogance of the escrows. and what is even worth is that a lot of people just say: "hey, I get some money back. I dont care how this was handled and calculated". to give some money back is just a loop hole. We are in two vlom... people seems happy to have wasted one year of time in a project that was "supposed" to be revolutionizing... I still like the concept of NVO but saying that it has been poor handled and managed is a compliment... The investors will get nuts while the escrows and the team are gonna walk away with some thousand USD for free... |
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They shouldn't be risking their reputation by operating in convoluted secrecy; security of funds is a priority; but an audit wouldn't involve handing over the pvt keys. Dunno why escrows are silent on this. They are silent because they have decided to be shady, to don't make any audit or give us (investors) any proof whatsoever of their behaviour... it's news from yesterday that Lauda "communicated" the amount we will be entitled to receive... No proof, nothing... just a number that as much as I know can be totally made up, no answers to my question... I just asked politely if it was true that the alts were sent to bittrex and other exchanges within one month from ICO end, no answer... According to her this thread and accusation is just garbage made up from the NVO discord members... If you ask questions in the telegram chat, the trolls from Ton and Ton himself will start bashing and insult you like you are some retarded kid... I have been personally called troll by the "CEO" and then banned... I told him I was gonna give him proof that I hold more than 10k nvst in my wallet... to which he replied insulting me a bit more... I sign a message from my counterpary wallet with my nvst address attached and sent it to the community manager... I'm still banned in that chat... |
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Wow, Viacoin MAN read this while at work
Why you talk of yourself in 3rd person? Which kind of problems you have? Just for your info, it's one month that this charade is going on and we still havent got the amount of BTC we will be entitled to receive... |
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On page one of this topic I asked how much is left of the coins. That question has never been answered. I invested in this project. So, I have an interest. I voted for a refund.
Once again.
Lauda, please tell us how much of each coin is currently available for the refund. A simple accounting of how much was sent to the project (with a date) would be nice. If alt coins were exchanged into BTC the dates and amounts received would also be nice information to have. If you can't answer these questions, I have to wonder how your Escrow group (CET) can even exist. The basic idea of third party escrow is to account for ALL funds.
If the answer to these questions exists somewhere, please point me in the right direction via a link.
Thank you.
Good luck with getting answers from Lauda&co, I've been for days asking clarifications about the amount of funds left in escrow... I never got an answer...  We have to be patient though, it's for our own "safety" that's she isn't telling us where the funds are...  quoting for the pictures. Thank you. I would like to add too that the first quoted message from the CEO "Ton" was "If you believe escrows wait for the spreadsheet from them", together with "Do you believe escrows or random people"... In my opinion isn't something so risky to tell us exactly how many alts are left, but Lauda wouldn't do that for our "safety"... Is that a logic reason?  And the message when we asked Lauda to tell "us" to which address/addresses the milestone were released...  |
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Have any of the escrows publicly stated the amount of recovery that will be refunded?
Nop... or at least not precisely We just know there should be 1,169.37330367 BTC left on the address 36Uh2ine6UzWGPTDYdENqS6pj6Rzx4Q67R, the escow didn't told us but that's what we found out looking at the blockchain. Then lauda told us that the amount of left funds should be "~1400BTC" and is an approximate value since the value of alts is fluctuating... but no exact amount or addresses where the coins are sitting has ever been told to us investors... |
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They banned me from slack - that says everything. I was not rude in the slack channel and i did not insult anyone - i only stated that iīll file a lawsuit against the nvo team and the escrow.
By the way:
Iīve saved everything posted in that slack channel since December 2017 - so i donīt care that they banned me (to prevent me from collecting evidence maybe?)
i reported to the police yesterday and handed everything (Screenshots, Posts, the Slack Conversations, Bitcoin-Wallet Adresses, the Names of the Bordmembers, the "names" of the escrow) to them and to my lawyer today who made contact to a lawyer which handled such cases before - none of the nvo board members tried to contact me yet to clarify anything and change my mind.
So, letīs see what happens.
Any news now? i expect they all go to jail Police has started investigation and i handed all evidence i got to my lawyer and the police. They are now trying to find out the identity of escrows and nvo team members/ceo/whatever. Nothing to say much at this point. German police is not the fastest but they search purposefully. That's a good thing... keep us posted  |
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On page one of this topic I asked how much is left of the coins. That question has never been answered. I invested in this project. So, I have an interest. I voted for a refund.
Once again.
Lauda, please tell us how much of each coin is currently available for the refund. A simple accounting of how much was sent to the project (with a date) would be nice. If alt coins were exchanged into BTC the dates and amounts received would also be nice information to have. If you can't answer these questions, I have to wonder how your Escrow group (CET) can even exist. The basic idea of third party escrow is to account for ALL funds.
If the answer to these questions exists somewhere, please point me in the right direction via a link.
Thank you.
Good luck with getting answers from Lauda&co, I've been for days asking clarifications about the amount of funds left in escrow... I never got an answer... We have to be patient though, it's for our own "safety" that's she isn't telling us where the funds are... |
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While I was in his bounty seen he was tagged, but now i am not participating because he is major Scammer and don't credit the tokens or stakes. Here is a link where Digaran was saying about wapinter Tagged https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2768374.msg41055834#msg41055834 Still not seeing stats about the Money that has been escrowed by these 3 plus 1 people. And there won't be any stats... Ton himself said "if you don't trust us wait for the spreadsheet from escrows..." just for Lauda to tell the investors that she won't release any info or TXID about the released milestones, even if after a question like "will you tell US (the investors) to which addresses the milestones were released" she answered "I didn't plan on compiling that but I can" as you can see in the screenshot...  https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/282170246#o=1 the milestone released in December... 60BTC for example still sitting in the account of the team... Plus I've tracked another 30 which probably are/were still in control of the team as a few days ago... https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/334679638#i=0 (30BTC send a few hours after the first questions about the remaining funds from the team were raised...) |
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