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1  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: bitcointobankaccount.com SCAM ALERT on: March 16, 2019, 01:57:38 PM
Website provides links to another website and facebook page:

http://www.freebiebitcoin.com/
https://www.facebook.com/Bitcoin-News-221855174924019/
2  Economy / Scam Accusations / bitcointobankaccount.com SCAM ALERT on: March 16, 2019, 12:42:21 PM
There's a new website climbing high on google results that scams people out of their bitcoins. It's https://www.bitcointobankaccount.com/

They take your coins but never pay anything to the bank account as they claim. Once you chose your amount and currency the page "generates" BTC address (it's always the same address which should be alarming already) and that's about it. You never get any email or way to provide bank account.

All emails to the admin of the page are left without response.

The creator on the website in the foot is shown to be an Irish company Infinite Loop Development Ltd, they also don't respond to emails related to the scam website.

Be careful people.
3  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tokenized lawsuit on: September 22, 2018, 01:24:17 AM
Totally legal. Money is the property of the winning party and they can do anything they wants to with it. Even give it away if they want.

Tokenized lawsuit would also make a lot of class lawsuits possible.
4  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tokenized lawsuit on: September 20, 2018, 03:03:19 PM
In the case I'm referring to, lawyers agreed to work on commission basis. Their commission is 10%.
5  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tokenized lawsuit on: September 20, 2018, 03:15:49 AM
You cannot possibly know the total cost beforehand. You can only operate with estimates. There's always a risk it will exceed 10k and you'll run out of funds.
I'd rather keep it simple. If more tokens are issued then previous investors will have to share profits with more people.

Assuming you got all the $10k from token sale - why would you keep half of the costs returned?
To keep it simple. Company has to use money to cover a lot of other things such as taxes, payments to other contractors involved, etc. To make it simple it's half for investors half for the company. Without breaking it into this and that, issuing more tokens etc. Just a simple rule.

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If you want to share half of that $5k with 'investors' - then you're $2.5k down.
Yes that is correct, this is the part of investment risk, however if the case is won there's no way to lose money.

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So it boils down to: if your chances of winning are high: pay the costs yourself, borrow from friends/family, or even take a bank loan (way cheaper than token).
If your chances look slim - let it go. No one will back you anyway.
It's not about having no money. I have money to pay for it many times over. It's about an experiment of tokenizing a lawsuit, something that has never been done before. An experiment everyone can participate in for as little as $1.
6  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tokenized lawsuit on: September 17, 2018, 06:40:03 PM
However, the part of the legal cost is what sounds confusing, up there, it was $1. But how would $1 be enough to file the court papers, hire attorneys, do investigations, print briefs and other incidental costs to be incurred in the pursuance of a case in court.
Total cost is $10,000, so there would be 10000 tokens issued for 1 dollar each. How many buyer wants to get is entirely up to him/her.

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Another concern here is the jurisdiction where the people are to be held responsible are based and not all places have developed legal system that would fit into this model. How would they be held liable for their own actions or they are exempted at the moment?
Everything would take place in Europe.

Creating token just to fund one lawsuit makes no sense - the time/energy/cost spent organising such project (properly) would likely be greater than for the lawsuit itself.
I think it would be actually easier. Token would be put on the exchange with SELL order, then depending on the court verdict it would be BUY for the price depending on how much is settled.

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So if all goes well investor only gets half of his investment back? I'll pass.
In this case half of the cost + half of the winnings.

Imagine this scenario: You got 1000 tokens worth $1000 so 10% of the stake.

Next day we win in court, lets say 50,000 USD.
Then I create BUY order with the total budget of 30,000 USD (half the winnings (25K) + half of the costs returned (5K). That's $3 per token. You get $3000 back.
7  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tokenized lawsuit on: September 17, 2018, 04:25:34 AM
LOL, that's an interesting idea. I don't quite see why would you need tokens/cryptocurrency for that. It's probably easier just to start "crowdfund my lawsuit" platform, similar to existing crowdfunding sites and accept fiat (+ maybe crypto, in addition).

Perhaps easier but you accept the middle man (the crowdfunding website) that will define the rules and take the cut. With crypto there's no middle men and payouts are faster.

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- when you win, defendant will have to bear your legal costs (investors get paid back), but how do you make a profit for them?
We would agree that investors get half the winnings for example, in this case half the legal costs back Smiley
8  Bitcoin / Legal / Tokenized lawsuit on: September 11, 2018, 01:54:51 AM
Hi. My first post here. I hope it's the right place to post it Smiley

Idea: I'm currently preparing for an upcoming lawsut against my client and can't stop thinking about possibility of making it public and help public benefit from it through tokenizing it. It is not an advertising of any sort so I won't share any details, more of an interesting experiment that came up to my mind due to the position I'm currently in. So I'd like to know your opinions. Would this work?

Theoretical plan: Our company issues 10k tokens worth lets say 1 dollar each to cover the cost. In return big part of possible wins will be shared among investors.

Pros of tokenized lawsuit:

- lower cost for the company that sues
- low risk for investors in case lawsuit is lost (minimum investment would be 1 dollar)
- easy money in case lawsuit generates payout
- being part of an interesting experiment
- easier participation in class lawsuits

Cons of tokenized lawsuit:

- lower wins for the company that sues


Would that work? Would you potentially participate in a project like this?

Of course in a project like this everything must be done legally and clearly for everyone, with supervision of a lawyer, publicly and on open blockchain (no shady coins).
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