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I've read a lot of your material?.....Stop trying to paint them as taking your money.
Lol facts are not attempting to "paint" anything, they are simply facts. And if you actually READ anything, you'd know why I point out all the lies that come out of TheQuack's mouth because I have no qualms stating it and have done so many times and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with losing anything and everything to do with he's just a complete ass in how he treats people. So, I treat him the same way he treats myself as well as everyone else. Like shit. I am actually one of their top referrals and when your top salesman is talking shit about you, then you know something is seriously wrong with whatever the hell it is you're doing that would make the sales guy say such things. If you're lookin for proof that this whole freebitco is provably fair thing is essentially a scam, look no further than the 2 screenshots below. As you can see, the rolls mysteriously stop at 9993 and 9994, 9995, 9996, 9997, 9998, 9999, and 10000 are ALL missing, yet 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 as well as 9993, 9992, 9991 and so on all exist. The reason you dont see a 9994 or higher is because 9994 is EXACTLY the roll you need to start getting into the top 3 tiers of the faucet. So much for "Provably fair" idea, this is clear evidence to the contrary LMFAO. Over 19000+ rolls. The odds of a roll of exactly 10000 missing in ~20000 rolls is very low but not unreasonably low (less than 10%). The odds of ALL of them missing IN ORDER is so small that this post couldnt fit the amount of 0.000000's it would require. It would fill up the server's HD with 0's its so small. But since I dont really care about free rolls, this obvious blocking of roll results above 9993 doesnt bother me. The income I get the most from are referrals, not free rolls. However, it really pisses me off when people think the site itself is legit when clearly it IS NOT and these statistics prove it. What you're looking at is a log of free rolls, rolled by a bot 24/7 every day for the last year and a half or so maybe slightly more. These rolls are all from 3 accounts, mine, my wife, and my annoying teeniebopper. So what you're looking at is very good proof that "provably fair" is only "provably fair" when they want it to be (which is obviously only going to be when it benefits THEM, not you). I fully believe my accounts are on this blacklist (likely because of my bot use but I dont care). So this just goes to show that "provably fair" is not so "provably fair" after all because in order to block an account from getting certain rolls, you have to MANIPULATE the roll result itself which in theory should result in those "provably fair" links showing incorrect results, but as far as I've seen, they never have shown any sign of such meddling. But with statistics like this, I really dont need to rely upon provably fair. I can see the pattern in my results DB as they are now without the need for provably fair links. I wouldnt doubt that the same shenanigans go on for the "multiply game" rolling as well. Bottom line is, all this "provably fair" non-sense that you see going on is just that, non-sense. It's very possible to manipulate results if you're the server side of the equation. Its only nearly impossible for the client side to manipulate results (finding collisions within seconds isnt really viable but mathematically it is possible) because you can only control 1 of 4 parts of the equation while the server controls the other 3. The only true way to have a "provably fair" system would be to put every roll in a BTC transaction as well as removing the server's seed and replacing it with the BTC hash so that it cant be changed by the server or client but that would make for a slow as molasses end user experience. Tron and ETH however can do this reasonably well. Why freebitco DOESNT switch to a blockchain.... well, it doesnt take a genius to figure that one out. They want to maintain the ability to modify roll results under the guise of them being "provably fair" when in reality its only SOMETIMES provably fair. I think the only "provably fair" anything on freebitco is probably the Lottery since it DOES use BTC hashes for it's server seed. All the others are just garbage and completely manipulatable by freebitco anytime they please as it proven by my db statistics. https://image.prntscr.com/image/94Tu32EtTPKMGx2N5YNoXQ.pnghttps://image.prntscr.com/image/RbcQKemWQr25Jb73QjUZ6A.pngI can confirm everything broke_tradah is saying, i also collected separately a lot of data and proved the same in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045277.0Of course i got no answer from any admin of the site. I suggest everyone not to waste your time on this site, chances are that you are inside this "blacklist" and not elegible to roll any number over 9993
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I have to point out that the first prize have a winning chance of 1 every 20.000 and not 10.000 because of the way the mechanics are made (every number below 9999,5 gets rounded to 9999). Anyway the difference is still larger, 12.5 times, than it should be so this is another proof against them Thanx for you manual counting lol
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Sorry i noticed your message only today. I did the exact same thing you did, saving every hashes. Unfortunately, we cannot really prove anything because "everyone can fake those numbers" TheQuin answered to you? He just ignored me lol
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@TheQuin, maybe you can drop an answer in this thread?:
I've found that replying to accusations made without evidence just brings more attention to them. How the hell am i supposed to provide evidence? Providing the changed server seed hash? You could say i generated it. There is no way to provide evidence since you can just say i'm faking them (or just tell me how). But i can point out that: var posting=$.post('/',post_variables); posting.done(function(data){var result=data.split(":"); $('#previous_server_seed_hash').val(result[10]); $("#verify_rolls_link").attr("href"," https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html?server_seed="+result[9]+"&client_seed="+result[11]+"&server_seed_hash="+result[10]+"&nonce="+result[12]); Interesting that in the javascript code the previous server seed hash is provided by the server and not just copied by the last "next_server_seed_hash". I guess it would be risky if someone accidentally clicked on the verify link with a wrong server hash You know, something like this would be a lot more fair: $('#previous_server_seed_hash').val('#next_server_seed_hash'); $('#next_server_seed_hash').val(result[6]); The only way to provide evidence is that a decent number of people start recording their server seed hash before and after and i'm encouraging everyone to do that. Did wetsuit did all the code? TheQuinn did you even check the code that is running on the server?
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I don't want to believe that they are trying to discourage users from playing free roll by replacing server seed hashes.
I think they just want to discourage users who doesn't deposit at all because they are not bringing any money to the site Btw i just deposited a decent amount of satoshis and i started to free roll every hour, recording hashes as usual, let's see if it's still "bugged"
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If you found bug really and have enough proofs tell admin about it. If they get it clearly a bug they might solve it and you will be rewarded I guess. Cause freebitco isn't a scam or cheat website. There is actually one thing problematic and that is 5% house edge.
I don't know if it's a bug or it was made on purpose to reward only member who deposit (it's just my guess uh) I thought the site was completely fair too, but i can't explain those 2 different hashes in no other ways It's better to wait the answer of an admin from freebitcoin
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Is that really true that the server seed hash changed? Actually I never observed this. I have played a lot there though never get high price. But I remember that I have rolled 10000 number two times in multiply game not in free hourly roll.
It is true, i recorded 2 totally different 64 characters long hash, not just some buggy empty hash, i'm truly sure it's not an error on my side It may be a bug on their side but it's pretty suspect Well rolling a higher number in multiply game is not so important. Plus, i blieve that the multiply game is probably fair since they have a decent house edge (5%) although i did not checked yet You only need to record a few in a row until you hit the hash on which they cheat? Just download OBS, and record whenever you free roll. If you are right you are onto something big, big enough it is worth to effort to record a free roll. Not worth it on my part to check it because I believe they dont cheat with the free roll, and honestly free coins is free coins to me. Might be a bad way to look at it but I dont put too much effort into clicking on that site anyway. Its a once a hour set and forget kinda thing.
Not worth on my part neither, nobody pays me lol. Like you said, i just have 30 sec to waste every hour to free roll, not more. It would be better if done in group, this way it could be resolved in a couple of days
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You posting a lot of claims but not enough proof.
"they did this they did that"
Its your word against theirs right now, and tbh I trust them more since they are in business so long.
Without any actual prove, you just sound like the other people who lost btc on their site.
i did not lost anything since i deposited anything and im not even mad at them, they should be atleast honest i repeat, i recorded over 3000 server seed hash and 2 of them did not match how can i prove it? i just have a list server seed, hash, client and nonce but even if i provide it to you, will you believe me? you could say that i just generated them on a txt file it's not demonstrable unless you video record over 3000 free rolls, which of course i did not. i encourage anyone to start saving their server hash before and after any rolls. if you want i can even provide you the same script i used to automatically save them on file and check them
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I'm talking about the free roll game. Their system is provably fair, of course, but who's so stupid to save and check all the hash of every free roll? Me My day job allow me to work on a computer so i'm able to roll about 14 - 15 times a day. However, over the last months i managed to collect about 3000 free rolls, thanks to a script i managed to save every server seed hash, client seed and nonce right before and right after every roll, so i could check them later. Most of them are fine, but 2 times happened that, after the roll, server seed hash was REPLACED with a new one, while nonce and client seed where still the same. This completely break their fairness, since replacing the server seed hash means that they are replacing the server seed and therefore they are changing our rolled number. Server seed hash never change unless you roll. you can reload the page, logout and login and it would be still the same. I'm fully aware of freebitco.in's thread where people post their big wins. Since the highest number i got was 9993 and since i never deposited any satoshi, my guess is that they apply this cheat just for the first 3 prizes (so from number 9994 to 10000) only to people who have never deposited anything. I say so also because probability to win one of the first 3 prizes is roughly 6 on 10000, so 2 on 3333 on average and this cheat happened 2 times over 3000, quite similiar to their big win probability. If freebitco.in want to follow this behavior to discourage people like me who just play free rolls and never deposit, that's totally fine but they should atleast be honest with their users and it should be written somewhere
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