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dont you think I am not a chronic spammer who should receive such treatment(directly permanent ban)?
With Temporary ban also I get a final warning that I should be careful enough to avoid such posting. If at all I get chance I will surely go back through my back dated post and delete everything which is of low quality.
The forum rules are actually very lenient and not as stringent as it maybe should be, considering the influx of spammers and bots. But the issue of pliagarism is a perculiar case, and there is no second chance, or reprieve, especially when the violation was made in a bid to get a reward. Theymos already discussed this issue; ...Plagiarism is what gets people permabanned, not just copying. Plagiarism is copying with the intent of passing the work off as your own. In essentially all cases, plagiarism deserves a permaban because it usually proves definitively that the person is here for the wrong reasons: to fill up space in order to get paid, not to actually discuss or contribute. If someone was able to convince us that they were plagiarizing just to eg. impress people rather than to fill up space, then a lesser ban of a few months might instead be warranted. But this has never happened AFAICR. (Arguments based on plausible deniability aren't going to work; we don't need to prove that you had the motive we see in your actions.)
If you treat posting as a job, a chore, then you must live in fear, since the forum is not made for you. In this case, you need to blend in as someone who actually cares, but plagiarism will immediately out you, and producing a mountain of useless posts will also eventually be noticed, if more slowly. If you do actually care, then this will be obvious in your posts (and probably your merit score), and you will have nothing to fear from moderators; even allegations of plagiarism will be doubted when seen in the context of your other posts...
There is no hope of getting your account back. And new accounts created by you and posting outside this thread would be tagged for Ban evasion and banned as well. You can still read and learn from the forum Plagiarism is surely a big offense but I did that in case for an Airdrop purpose, just to qualify for that airdrop(which is never received anyway) It was nothing to pass on other work as mine that would affect that persons prestige or degrades his member quality. And with no hope to get account back there should atleast be another way for offenders doing such things rarely. Its like I have done a crime of killing someone where the only decision is I have to Hang myself and nothing could be done  |
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I totally agree with the you that the mods here can't be expected to review the entire post histories.
However do you think.
1. some form of paid (by offender) review should be available to run their entire histroy through a checker?
2. have some sort of reduced sentence like no more sigs for a year or ever or reduced in rank by 2 levels for single stupid infraction like this one or perhaps a 1 in 1000 rate of instance where the person is still clearly a net positive and not a complete waste of space financially motivated spammer? I mean real members who just want to remain will probably not care too much about losing a sig for a year but to lose their entire post history (especially legends) must be quite terrible and in some cases could destroy important histroy.
People won't pay anything if they know what they've done wrong. They're just going to be throwing their money away. As I said before, they only complain and play dumb about what they've done because it's their only hope of getting their account back and the is a last ditch attempt to try do so. If we started asking for payment for review then 99% just won't bother or would shut up as soon as you gave them that option. As for number two, I'd be for signature bans instead of outright bans for spammers/plagiarism, but only theymos can implement them so it's him you'll have to convince. With that being said, a signature ban is as good as a ban to 99% of people who get caught plagiarising so in most instances they'll still complain about that and probably won't have any interest in contributing here if they can't get paid for it. friend I do agree on my mistake and really feel sad for that also. But if you count one post in 400-500 post dont you think I am not a chronic spammer who should receive such treatment(directly permanent ban)? With Temporary ban also I get a final warning that I should be careful enough to avoid such posting. If at all I get chance I will surely go back through my back dated post and delete everything which is of low quality. I know you guys as a moderators have a pretty tough job to keep forum clean and taking such decision helps you to reach final outcome faster and easier but sometime a regular forum poster losses much with that single decision. |
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but I feel there should be something they need to work on..
Dude, the problem isn't with the moderators or with the forum. The problem is with you. You broke the rules, and everyone in this thread is telling you what the consequences are for doing that, and they're correct. You're permabanned. It doesn't matter what your other posts are or how long you've been here; you got busted for plagiarism and that's it. It doesn't matter what you think about the rules--they're applied the same to everyone, and as far as a warning goes, if you'd bothered to actually read the rules there would be no warning or clarification necessary. Where's the bingo card, anyway? I am accepting the fact that rule was broken for spamming but that was time when Airdrop site just needed a post for there promotion purposes. I am just asking to take into consideration the other part of my story where after that post I had made around 400-500 post and that one post costing me so much means a lot of me. edit.. I think since it is a fairly recent account it is pointless to contest it really. Nobody will probably be willing to see if there are more instances and he probably does not have the funds to pay any person to scan it over to find out. Even then there has been no perm ban over turned yet... even legends so seems a long road to nowhere. Once all typing the same nonsense over and over in airdrops was allowed but it has been banned for a while i guess. To me it unfortunate to lose your account over that one instance. If i knew for sure it was just that one time I would let you off with a temp ban and even a merit reduction but I don't have any control over it. Even I am willing to know if that Permanent ban can turn into a temp ban and didnt knew the fact that till now none of permanent ban have been turned to temp one which is making me more nervous. For those few spam post I have even tried to give something to community by trying to list scam websites, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4981560.msg45670366#msg45670366 and this I have not done to impress anyone but to give back what this community has given to me so please consider a temp ban option in this case. Or Can Mod atleast allow me to have a new account if this ban could not be reversed which I could use ahead making sure I follow all rules? Atleast consider this( since if I dont have any spam post in last 6 months, I will make sure to continue so ahead in future.) |
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hilariousetc IS a Global Moderator. That's just his second account (the main one is hilariousandco).
You already got your answer. You can't keep posting in this forum and you can't keep "working" in your translation bounty campaigns. It doesn't matter if you think you needed a warning, or a temporary ban, or whatever. Almost every day there is a new user banned here for the same thing, and no one ever gets a second chance.
Firstly thanks for letting me know he is a Global moderator. Secondly, Sir have you ever gone through my profile before directly stating that? If not I request you to please go through it once. Check all my recent post to cross check if I am actually a spammer. Which user according to you got banned for the post done more then 6 months before? Please, read my post again. Where exactly did I say that you are a spammer? All I said was: YOU BROKE THE RULES, SO NOW YOU FACE THE CONSEQUENCES. You don't choose which consequences you will face - thus it doesn't matter if you think a single offense from X months ago isn't worth a ban. The mod, the one with the authority in this forum, said that you will remain banned, so you will. End of the story. Cry all you want, but nothing will change, nor you will get a second chance. Offense done 6 months ago costing you permanent ban seems to harsh..Agreed to what you want to convey.. If moderators feels I am guilty nothing could be done, but I feel there should be something they need to work on.. I hope few Global Moderator please go through my profile to find if I am actually a spammer or atleast provide me chance to open a new account which I could use for bounty since bounty for me is bread and butter and if its gone I dont have other earning source to work with. Really a permanent ban for a more then 6 month old spam is too harsh. Please look into it moderators. |
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Any Global Moderator here for help?
hilariousetc IS a Global Moderator. That's just his second account (the main one is hilariousandco). You already got your answer. You can't keep posting in this forum and you can't keep "working" in your translation bounty campaigns. It doesn't matter if you think you needed a warning, or a temporary ban, or whatever. Almost every day there is a new user banned here for the same thing, and no one ever gets a second chance. Firstly thanks for letting me know he is a Global moderator. Secondly, Sir have you ever gone through my profile before directly stating that? If not I request you to please go through it once. Check all my recent post to cross check if I am actually a spammer. Which user according to you got banned for the post done more then 6 months before? |
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I have myself mentioned that I did had few low quality post but those were at the start. You cant expect a person to be a perfect without doing any mistakes. I did made mistake but I learned quickly from that and have not repeated same again. You have to go through my profile for 40 pages and to find a 6 month old post. And even if that post is spam, you do need to consider its one in many post and I am not doing anything lately like that so dont you think Permanent ban is severe enough warning in my case? Also If I am not allowed to open a new account, how am I suppose to continue my participation in already working translation bounty campaign?
Without updating thread periodically, I will not receive anything for the work I have done till now.
You can't. This is like getting fired from a workplace and asking "but how will I do my work".
I do understand that I cant do the job if I am fired from a workplace but I do feel the crime I did is not that severe to fire me for permanent time. If it would have been a timely ban providing me a warning I surely would have consider. Please do give a thought to this also. Any Global Moderator here for help? |
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Permanently banned means everything, you're banned forever. And ban appeals are never looked into as it's doesn't worth since 99.999% people have been banned accordingly to the forum's rules. Don't know why you got banned but pretty sure the reason is valid though and sorry to disappoint you but You have no chance to get your account unbanned.
But friend you can go through my last post to N number of pages here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1477559;sa=showPostsI do agree in start I did few airdrops where the post quality was not upto the mark but check lately if you find anything which ask for the action for PERMANENT BAN? Dont you think there should atleast be another chance for this? I am lately pretty much addicted to this forum and surely would like to get another chance for same. If you got an Perma ban your account is banned forever and you are not allowed anymore to post in the Forum !
Also you are not allowed to post anywhere else with your new account as only in this thread !
I guess you got banned for Spamming or plagiarism , but i think if i look at your post history it was spamming !
But to know it realy you have to wait for an Global Moderator to get the right answer or the User that reported you !
Where could you find spamming in that? I am an bounty hunter who participate in translation bounty. We are asked to keep the bounty thread active and that is what I was doing. Everyone in translation bounty does the same. Also If I am not allowed to open a new account, how am I suppose to continue my participation in already working translation bounty campaign?
Without updating thread periodically, I will not receive anything for the work I have done till now.
Please some Global Moderator, please help me with this. |
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I have got my account banned http://prntscr.com/ltze4cLink to my previous account - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1477559How often are ban appeal looked into? Also are we told the actual reason for banned account? Like in my case its mentioned either plagiarism or spamming but which one of that? But honestly I did not do any sort of spamming or plagiarism. I do agree in few of my starting post I did post some lazy comment for Airdrop campaign of which one of my post even got deleted recently but lately I tried to make sure thing were decent enough. And I see my account as banned today which is making me feel nervous since I had 800+ post with active participation in bounty program and now to make a new account and again making is as the previous one will surely take time. So is there any chance to get this account back? Waiting for reply. |
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