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1  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is down by half its value... Strange things are going on. on: February 25, 2014, 05:05:43 PM
We went from $140 to $1163 in a two month period late in 2013.

It's only early 2014 and we are retesting some of these numbers.

Strange things are always going on with Bitcoin. It's a disruptive technology.

People are trying to put a square peg (bitcoin) into a round hole (traditional methods for handling money), and they are getting burned in the process.



I see what you mean, i just dont know if the rumors are being spread on purpose or actually happening. Most of the market is controlled on speculation, besides the hash power and well, false rumors have always had a way of driving the market. I just dont seem to figure out when they expect the bitcion to shoot up again.

But i will be ready.
2  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoin is down by half its value... Strange things are going on. on: February 25, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
There are several rumors going on as to MtGox, spreading word that they are getting away with some bitcoins... im sure they wont be able to do so without leaving some trace, but it seems that bitcoin has dropped by half of its value last months. It seems there might be an opportunity to rebound by acquiring some bitcoins.

I fear that most of these rumors are being dispersed with the idea of dropping the market price with the intention of gaining profit out of it. I just don´t seem to know who exactly might be doing this and with what intention. I certainly am keeping an eye on the news and other details to make sure i make my move when its best.

¿Any one else have the same feeling?

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/25/bitcoin-exchange-mtgox-offline-amid-rumours-of-theft

http://www.voanews.com/content/value-of-bitcoin-drops-sharply/1858734.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26118002

3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LitCoin or Altcoin mining setup to earn $1000 per day? on: February 19, 2014, 03:58:26 AM

I'm not mining Litecoins, I use to. The guide from the site I sent you says Litecoin mining rig, but it can be used for any script coin. I'm minig Dogecoin.

Like you, my goal is to acquire a crypto-coin before it gets big. I don't know if Dogecoin will get huge, but from when I started to now, it's gotten bigger. I started mining in December when it first came out.

The calculations you did are correct for Litecoin, but remember, you can actually end up with LESS coins than than if the Difficulty increases.  Back in the summer of 2013 I wanted to build my farm, but got discouraged after reading several blogs. The mining Difficulty was increasing and Litecoin was around $1.50 to $2.  so mining (like in your calculations) wasn't profitable at all. Because of the mining Difficulty level, my electricity was costing more than I was earning in coins (no 3x return ROI). Well I didn't build the farm in time and as you might know, Litecoin went from around $2 to almost $50.  Had I eaten the cost of electricity and just mined and stocked the Litecoins away, I'd have gotten much more than 3x ROI.

So we're facing a similar situation again. If you chose to mine Litecoin, you know that based on your calculations, you might at best break even within a year if you're lucky and the mining Difficulty doesn't increase to put you completely in the negative category in terms of profit beyond the year. So you have to decide if you believe enough in Litecoin or any coin to eat the cost of the hardware and electricity in the hopes that Litecoin or any coin you mine, increases enough in the near future to give you that 3x ROI.

I am currently on the plus side right now with Dogecoin. I'm not 3x ROI, but I'm doing okay.  If Dogecoin goes mainstream and some of the projects that are being worked on takeoff, then my ROI will be much much more than 3x.

Give this Reddit ( /r/dogecoin )site a quick look, they are much more welcoming and share lots of info. BitcoinTalk.org isn't very friendly.
 


I figured that was your objective, it is a some what tough decision because the projection is not quite clear at this moment, at least not for any other crypto currencies besides Bitcoin. Actualy my original investment was opted for BITCOIN, given the current coin value and the powerful ASIC miners in the market.

THE PROBLEM IS, its too much of a scam right now out there to get my hands on miners with enough power to build a 24 terahash rig. Like i said, the money is not the problem, theres always a way to finance, but its too damn risky to deal with people who are offering complete scams. Im going to keep an eye open but i made calculations based on the bitcon hashpower of 24 Terahases and the dificulty and if i get my hands on a rig that costs me $300K  ASIC miner optimezed, by the end of the year, working in a pool and that kind of power, lets just say, id have enough to buy any kind of hashpower id like.

It sucks that too many people are currently trying to scam you when talking of serious dope, but i think your on the right track, just keep eyes open for what happens in the market and im sure ull be able to trade your coins at the right time!

Ill look into the info u sent.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LitCoin or Altcoin mining setup to earn $1000 per day? on: February 19, 2014, 12:51:40 AM

My GPU farm has 30 rigs but they don't have 6 R9 280x. Instead, they only have 3 280x each (MSI 280X cards)  Each card cost me about $380 - Microcenter store (that's the biggest expense per rig).  The price for the other parts are approximate estimates, the CPU $30, Motherboard $120, Memory $50, Power Supply Unit $250 and milk crate (case) $5. So each rig costs approximately $1600. If you add another 3 R9 280x that's another $1140 -- so a rig with 6 R9 280x would be about $2740.

Each one of my rigs gives me from 1800 to 2000 KH/s and pulls about 1000 watts (maybe a little less).

I hope this helps. It can be done, don't believe otherwise.

Good Luck.

Edit:

If you add another 3 280x cards, you'll need a different type of Motherboard than the one recommended by www.cryptobadger.com and it will cost more.  Additionally, you'll need another Power Supply Unit, so you have to add that cost also. So the rig you want will cost more than $2740, maybe more like $3100.

Ok so after doing some math (Not sure if my numbers are correct), according to the current difficulty rate of litecoin network, each of your rigs would produce 229.12 LTC / Year. The current value of a litecoin is roughly around 16 dlls pr ltc... so thats $3665 per year. but the cost of each rig is 2740?

Maybe my calculations are wrong but how is that working for you?

I would expect to tripple the earnings compared to the investment.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LitCoin or Altcoin mining setup to earn $1000 per day? on: February 18, 2014, 11:54:24 PM
By the way, 1 TH/s would get you about $6-7M in coins a day.

For $1,000 a day, you only need around 150 MH/s you can accomplish this right now with around 30 mining rigs each with 6 R9 280X cards. That would probably set you back around $100k (assuming you can get several bulk discounts).

Wow, then maybe its too early to talk about TeraHashes. Ill look into the setup you´re suggesting. What elevates the cost of each mining rig to a total of 100K? The general components of just the R9 280X cards? I wanna get the rig up running asap.

Thanks!

If you are not technically inclined then I would recommend trading instead of mining.



I will politely disagree. You can learn how to build a rig and set the configs without much technical knowledge. I know because I hadn't a clue about this stuff but after reading a few how-to guides and then reading this blog and others, I successfully set up my first Litecoin rig back in April. Several months later, I've got my own little GPU farm.

Im not way to out of the logic of understanding just how to go about mining any criptocurrency but its more like the build up and tech specks that get me out of balance.

In your opinion, what would be the cost of building 30 mining rigs each with 6 R9 280X cards, just as my above fella mentioned? Im looking fwd to building a powerful mining rig with time, just before ASICs come into play and the coin value (if it does) shoots up.
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LitCoin or Altcoin mining setup to earn $1000 per day? on: February 18, 2014, 11:45:12 PM
By the way, 1 TH/s would get you about $6-7M in coins a day.

For $1,000 a day, you only need around 150 MH/s you can accomplish this right now with around 30 mining rigs each with 6 R9 280X cards. That would probably set you back around $100k (assuming you can get several bulk discounts).

Wow, then maybe its too early to talk about TeraHashes. Ill look into the setup you´re suggesting. What elevates the cost of each mining rig to a total of 100K? The general components of just the R9 280X cards? I wanna get the rig up running asap.

Thanks!

If you are not technically inclined then I would recommend trading instead of mining.



I know what your saying and i guess most of my lack of knowledge in IT proves that but i want to do both at the same time. Theres a lot of more wiser agents than me that can help me with the technical details but ill keep that in mind!
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LitCoin or Altcoin mining setup to earn $1000 per day? on: February 18, 2014, 11:38:03 PM
First, it's Litecoin not Letcoin.

Second, will you have the electrical capacity to achieve 1 to 2 Terahash for a scrypt coin using GPU's since there aren't any ASIC's out there for scrypt coins that are any better than a GPU.

Third, if you're using GPU's to achieve 1 to 2 Terahas you're going to have a heat issue as well.

So maybe you wait until a viable ASIC is available to mine scrypt coins.

But if you're really interested in moving forward NOW, then maybe you can carry out what I've always wanted to, but lacked the space and finances to achieve.

Here's the idea:

Use metal shipping containers --- set them up with the necessary electrical wiring and essential cooling mechanisms. Do it so that you can just up and move the containers when needed; all you have to do is plug them in to your electrical source.  Once you have that one container set up, then just repeat and stack.

There are plenty of sites out there that will give you instructions on how to build an GPU mining rig. The site I used to learn how to make a GPU rig is www.cryptobadger.com  

Good Luck and make it happen.

Sorry about that, google kept correcting me with Litecoin and i didnt pay atention. Your idea sounds very practical. As for the electrical capacity, im planing on basing the righ in Mexico city, they have low eletric rates and an extrodinary hability for selling cheap hardware (Dont ask me where they get it from) and also there are a few set ups that can spare me some free electricity.

I think 1 or 2 terahash is too early not that ive researched but not too far away from now. But ill look into the link you sent and well, we all know that mining is one side of the business and the other is trading your coins at the right time, so i want to build up as many coins as possible for the right time.

Cheers!
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LitCoin or Altcoin mining setup to earn $1000 per day? on: February 18, 2014, 11:29:34 PM
By the way, 1 TH/s would get you about $6-7M in coins a day.

For $1,000 a day, you only need around 150 MH/s you can accomplish this right now with around 30 mining rigs each with 6 R9 280X cards. That would probably set you back around $100k (assuming you can get several bulk discounts).

Wow, then maybe its too early to talk about TeraHashes. Ill look into the setup you´re suggesting. What elevates the cost of each mining rig to a total of 100K? The general components of just the R9 280X cards? I wanna get the rig up running asap.

Thanks!
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / LitCoin or Altcoin mining setup to earn $1000 per day? on: February 18, 2014, 10:48:51 PM
Hello everyone.

Im currently interested in your suggestions to build a mining rig for other currencies aside from bitcoins (Litcoins and Altcoins). I like the idea of mining currencies who are still not widely know so i can be there for when they shoot up. I have enough budget not to worry about cost but i just want ideas of what i can do with hardware and software setup other than the info i see on youtube and other sources.

I want to build something around a 1 or 2 TeraHash for Letcoins, i just need to get the right components for it, or a suggestion as to the best setup for optimized mining.

Id appreciate the help.

Thanks!
10  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ASIC Processors... looking to build custom mining rig. on: February 18, 2014, 12:30:50 AM

Thaks man, this really helped me, im bout to contact friedcat and see whats up. Cheers!
11  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ASIC Processors... looking to build custom mining rig. on: February 18, 2014, 12:24:41 AM
You want to spend 300 dimes on a custom ASIC solution and don't know who friedcat is?

yikes.

Aint nothing that google cant solve, and well if i have the money for it why not research to get the most out of my project. Thanks anyway.
12  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ASIC Processors... looking to build custom mining rig. on: February 18, 2014, 12:07:34 AM

If you're looking to develop your own ASIC it's going to run into the single digit Millions for your first run.  If it were me, I'd get in touch with Friedcat to see about getting the comms protocol and datasheet for their upcoming 40nm chip and get to designing an implementation.

Friedcat? I dont think im familiar with them but ill look into it! Thanks!
13  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Building a 24 TeraHash Mining Rig... Any Suppliers? on: February 17, 2014, 11:59:24 PM
Christ. That's crazy. I hope your investments pay off well for you.

I know! But mining wont be profitable forever, so its one of those things where you need to get the most out of it before it becomes mainstream.
14  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ASIC Processors... looking to build custom mining rig. on: February 17, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
For real? Just on another thread some ass hole was referring me to that miner and all. Thats what i mean, the market is full of crap.

I just bumped into what you mentioned:

http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/16940/what-are-asic-miners-actually-doing

Code
https://github.com/lithander/Minimal-Bitcoin-Miner/blob/master/MiniMiner/Program.cs#L90

Ill be looking more into it. Thnks!
15  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ASIC Processors... looking to build custom mining rig. on: February 17, 2014, 11:42:19 PM
getting an ASIC produced is not rocket science, and the basic SHA256 algorithm is available - but there is some big start up costs - and you need to optimize it .. the key is how fast the foundry can turn out chips based on the current schedule



I see what you´re saying, and it makes sense, i have reviewed some of the algorithims. I know the idea is basic but optimizing for higher speeds is what im looking at. I got a line of people who dont know a rads as of what a bit coin is but are willing to fund, cause the coin fluctuates like crazy.

How much money do you think it would cost to build a ASIC miner like the Callistos from highbitcoin.com?
16  Bitcoin / Hardware / ASIC Processors... looking to build custom mining rig. on: February 17, 2014, 11:23:40 PM
Hi everyone,

Since most sites are scamming people on the internet, and suppliers are taking too long to ship, im interested in finding or designing ASIC mining chips for myself. I dont know if currently some manufacturer in china might be doing this already, and i can buy the hardware to build something myself.

Has anyone gone about this, or am i looking at something either too expensive or too hard to find. It doesnt really make sense for hardware mining companies to build money making machines to sell them. So i think the way to go is... if your really wanting to min for a living, build your own powerful mining rig.

I want to to build a mining rig with at least 24 TeraHashes by the end of 2014.

Alibaba.com has seem to be a place with a variety of wholesale suppiers in china but doesnt look high quality.

http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=ASIC+miner+
17  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Building a 24 TeraHash Mining Rig... Any Suppliers? on: February 17, 2014, 06:40:00 PM
Perhaps Highbitcoin.com is a company to order from. Their first batch is already sold out, but if you're willing to wait to June, you can get 24 TH by ordering six Callistos ($10K each).

If you want that amount of hashing power NOW from a cloud mining service like cloudhashing.com, it will set you back between $300k and 400k -- but you'll have to negotiate your own deal. 



Thanks Perseus353 I have saved up a lot of money for this project and looking to finance my way into the mining industry. Ill be sure to check out highbitcoin.com. Im not so convinced on cloud mining, the cost seems to high compared to the cost of buying hardware and running it. 300K vs 60K is a drastic comparison.

How is the mining going for you?
18  Bitcoin / Mining / Building a 24 TeraHash Mining Rig... Any Suppliers? on: February 17, 2014, 03:33:19 PM
The mining industry is having some trouble keeping up with the demand. It seems like money isn't the problem but actually finding a company that can supply that kind of power in a bulk is quite hard.

Ive been looking to build a mining rig on my own and get my hands on some processors to go about finishing my project. Im thinking about moving the rig down south at mexico. Electricity rate is way cheap down there and what makes it even far interesting is that getting away with not paying electricity is like a walk in the park, but oh well thats just an idea, crossed my mind. Roll Eyes

Ive read a lot of reviews about BFL, and ive decided not to buy from them at all. But most other companies who sell miners are to hard to get in contact with or too much of a scam to even call them. Im thinking somewhere in china some company is already duplicating miner processors, or manufacturing them buy the dozen, but really I'm out of luck finding what i need.

Cloud mining seems attractive but i have a different business model in mind that will exclude that option in no time.

Any suggestions or experiences on the matter?   
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