Six days ago I put in a BTC withdraw request on Havelock. Nothing happened so after three days I posted a support quesry asking what was happening. A day later I received a standard email saying that they were processing withdraws manually but nothing happened since.

I can only conclude that Havelock have a problem and are not transferring out BTC any more

Try this, looks like the place exists.

http://www.circlevilleherald.com/news/pumpkin-village-arts-crafts-mall-moving-expanding/article_2fb59b4b-3d1c-5853-867a-a46069ef3aa0.html?mode=story

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Agghhhhhh!!!!!

I've been trolled.

Sorry mate, by quoting NLC you just lost all credibility.

I don't care about the SEC rules as I'm not in the US and they don't apply to anything I do. Nor apparently are the offerings anything to do with the SEC as the issuers are Hong Kong based, all this can be seen on the fund pages. As I said, if you think there is really something wrong then contact the issuers who are linked on the page.

The language of your postings suggests you have a personal issue in this matter, who knows, you could be anyone as you are staying anonymous. Accusing people of selling illegal securities is much easier when you are anonymous than when you have to stand by your words as an identified person.

I'm not a lawyer but I do note that the listing pages for both HASH and RENT both state that US citizens should not buy these issues and in the case of HASH should contact the issuer in regard to "SEC Reg. D. 506 exemptions". I also am not aware of any US regulations preventing the sale of securities to non-US citizens. So I can only conclude that you do not know the regulations in force, however I'm sure both Brandon Schlichter and Benny Schlichter would be happy to explain this to you the legal position if you contact them in a non-anonymous manner.

In any case it is a big old world out there and only 5% of the population are in the US so frankly, who cares about the SEC anyway? - their entire remit is in regard to investments sold to US persons. If US citizens are daft enough to buy into offerings which are stated as prohibited by the issuer that is their own responsibility.

In any case this thread is about AMHASH1, which is based in China. I don't see any misrepresentation from Havelock in relation to AMHASH1 so I don't see what AirWolf has to gripe about.

Andy

Sorry AirWolf but you are barking up the wrong tree.

Havelock may have its issues but I don't see how they can be blamed for the AMHASH fiasco. The issuer of AMHASH asked to list on Havelock, paid the fees and got listed.  Havelock make a charge for the service and I don't see how anyone can complain that they grossly failed in this duty other than a gripe about site availability, the recent extended outage and maybe the circumstances under which they froze AMHASH.

Personally I think that not being able to contact the issuer constitutes reasonable grounds for suspension of the listing. I'm unaware of the communications around AM1 and AM100 and kinda expected them to be suspended too.

You might have a case if Havelock grossly misrepresented something but I can't think of anything in this case.

So lets be clear:  Please tell us exactly what Havelock have done wrong in relation to AM and AMHASH? Also state the limits of their errors/misbehaviour and indicate what reasonable compensation you are looking for which is proportionate to their actions.

Digging out personal details and publishing them for all to read is illegal in many jurisdictions as it breaches privacy regulations etc. Especially when it is combined with (implied) threats and encouragement for third parties to 'do stuff' to them. Please start to act like a grownup and not a frustrated teenager - you lost money, welcome to the real world.

You put money into an online project/fund and lost it. These things happen, very few bitcoin projects have any staying power and the space is full of scams and fraud. Read up on the phrase "Caveat emptor".

Full disclosure: I'm not involved in any way with Havelock other than as a person who buys and sells shares through them. Likewise I have no involvement in Asicminer, AMHASH etc.

Andy

On the matter of RS kindly take go and take a hike if you haven't anything useful to say. Just keep taking the handouts from MP and go and do something useful with them instead of annoying others?

At least I don't keep trying to hide behind anonymity. Time to stop feeding the trolls.

Ah, the trolls are out again

I think one of the biggest factors behind the price rise is the Havelock market buy volume is quite small. I understand that one investor was forced to sell and put several thousand shares on the market over over a period.  This depressed prices[1], and now that investor has sold them all the price has moved up to a point where buys and sells are balanced.

The other factors I listed previously also apply.

I'm in for the long term so I don't really care what the current price is other than I could pick up shares really cheap and now they have become more expensive.

Andy


[1] It also allowed me to pick up shares cheap

I think it is a combination of factors.

1. RentalStarter is based in USD (Real bricks and mortar and rents from tenants). The recent drop in $ per BTC has made it look cheap (Asset value after liabilities is about $700k).

2. Has been trading for over 2 years now

3. Steady returns in $ terms.  Last year returned about $0.12/share. Expected to increase significantly over the next year. Don't forget the capital assets.

4. Regular and good communications from Brandon who runs the business.

If you want more details then contact Brandon, by email or on #rentalstarter on freenode and request an invite to the online web channel.


Andy

Full disclosure: I hold a substantial number of shares in RENT and have been increasing my holding over the last few months.

Feel free, I've been in since the days of Bitfunder. But to be honest I don't give a fat rat's arse about what you think.

I have a substantial holding in RS. I'm not prepared to disclose the size of it to you as there is no commercial relationship between us and there is no benefit to me in letting you have the information. It isn't too hard to work out anyway.

RS is a USD based investment, BTC is only the method of moving money in and out of it. Considering what I paid for the shares I've not lost money and am very pleased about the way it is managed.

So please go and troll somewhere else, I suggest you try complaining about the (apparently defunct) mpex website.


Andy

County Auditor records checked

At UTC 16:15 this evening (20140713) I checked the two Rental Starter property IDs registered on the Ross County Auditor website and can confirm that they have clear title with the company Branny is using for the rentals. I've saved the screenshots on my local system.

At UTC 04:15 this morning (20140713) I checked the five Rental Starter property IDs registered on the Pickaway County Auditor website and can confirm that they have clear title with the company Branny is using for the rentals. I've saved the screenshots on my local system.

There is one additional RentalStarter property which I have yet to verify. I'll check it once the purchase has made its way into the online database.

If anyone wants a GPG signed copy of this statement or have any questions they are welcome to contact me at andy@x31.com.

regards

andy

I think you are doing more than pulling records and doing research - you are also publicly trying to damage RentalStarter with unsubstantiated remarks as well as being extremely offensive with your remark about "eat a big bag of ...", totally unnecessary and unprofessional.  You obviously pulled the wrong records as I managed to find them without difficulty, maybe you should offer your client a refund.

I can make the following statement:

At UTC 04:15 this morning (20140713) I checked the five Rental Starter property IDs registered on the Pickaway County Auditor website and can confirm that they have clear title with the company Branny is using for the rentals. The process took me about 5 minutes and I've archived the screen shots. If anyone wants a GPG signed copy of this statement then they are welcome to contact me at andy@x31.com.




Andy

What Branny owns is his affair.

Properties owned by his company are the business of his company, Investors can request information in the normal way.

Why are you asking it like this in such a public forum?  Most reasonable people would ask quietly and then maybe go public if there is an issue.  I feel comments like "I find something alarming here" imply you have an agenda. 

Are you an existing investor or someone trying to pick holes in something which is starting to be a success?

I think Branny is away for a few days so you will probably have to wait a while for an answer assuming he can be bothered to tell you.  In the other hand you could go and check the records directly in Circleville.

Andy

Ah, more trolling from the anonymous notlambchop.

Now insisting they don't know who Branny is. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Idiot !

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Proof of identity is easy. Check the signatures.

Your turn now or to use your own phrase STFU


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In other words you are staying anonymous and continuing to troll.

Go and get a real life and stop wasting my time.

Not me mate, I'm happy with only a single identity, anyone who wants to can easily find me online.

Who are you and how many different online identities do you have or have used?

Andy

By the same token MPEX could fold, I really don't see your point unless there is some cloud of magic surrounding the few listings on MPEX which prevents them ever going wrong.

The unusual thing about RentalStarter is it is a listing based on the ownership and rental of physical property which will retain value (as defined in USD). The issuer has been very open about the project and a creditable history in the industry making it hard for him to cut and run without being chased by litigants. You don't normally throw away a reputation build up over many years lightly.

This listing uses BTC as a method of transferring value, buying BTC for USD and distributing it out as payments each month. This is what BTC is good at as there are no bank charges involved.

Yes, exchanges collapse, BitFunder is a good example but the listings simply moved to another.

Regarding the price of RentalStarter, the volume is very low at the moment as people flock to the next high risk mining share for huge payouts, RentalStarter is paying reasonable returns for a bricks and mortar business in the startup phase. I am however surprised at the low share valuation at the moment which is significantly below the breakup value of the business which makes it a good and relatively secure investment in the hybrid BTC/USD world.

We disagree, you are entitled to your view, however childish insults don't help and just lower your reputation.

Andy