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1  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Anyone using Bitcoin.tax? how do you enter OKcoin gains/losses? on: March 01, 2017, 06:01:54 AM
It's active, although don't have integration into OKCoin futures.

Depending on the volume, send a message to support with any data you have and I'll see what we can do. I know some of the accountants we list have dealt with clients with similar data.
2  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Tax Logistics on: May 08, 2016, 09:20:54 PM
well like you said it applyed to pool operator which are the one that give money to the miners, so in that case for them below 600 there is no tax to pay

Please stop confusing people and providing bad information. The $600 is a form requirement, nothing to do with taxes. For the miners, it's income, they declare it and pay taxes no matter the amount. For the pool operator, it's gross income so would be declared in their P&L, but the payouts are a business expense so would reduce net income and corporation taxes.
3  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Tax Logistics on: May 06, 2016, 03:50:02 PM

are you sure? it say "Generally, a person who in the course of a trade or business makes a payment of $600 or more in a taxable year"

trade or business is assimilable to mining in my view, or they ar enot very clear here

This is a normal requirement for reporting, even outside of Bitcoin. See https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Reporting-Payments-to-Independent-Contractors.

For example, if you did some work for me as an independent contractor and I paid you more than $600 in a tax year, I have to send you a 1099-MISC. If I run a payment network business, and I make payments out to individuals, then I have to send them a 1099-MISC if they receive more than $600 per year. This could well be applied to mining pools, in that they ought to be sending their individual contributors 1099s.

So it doesn't really apply to individuals (except they might receive a 1099). In any case, it's for when you have paid out, not received income so there are no tax implications for the payer.




But.. if we are not from U.S. ?

Rules vary by country. If you say where you're from, someone might be able to help.
4  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Tax Logistics on: May 05, 2016, 05:15:31 PM

no it's not taxable only reportable if above 600 https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf


You're talking about making payments, I'm not sure why, but we're talking about ordinary income and capital gains income. The former is irrelevant to OP.

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if you're a miners, ... and anyway every amount that do not surpass $600 per year, is not taxable

You started talking about mining income and now switched to making payments. All mining income is reportable and taxable. For B2B payments, then there is a $600 reporting requirement for issuing a 1099-MISC, but taxes are irrelevant.
5  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Tax Logistics on: May 05, 2016, 01:11:06 AM
and anyway every amount that do not surpass $600 per year, is not taxable

This is wrong. There are no limits for capital gains in the US, everything is reportable. You are confusing the 1099-MISC business form requirement.


See https://bitcoin.tax for more information and to help calculate your capital gains and income.


i said not taxable not not reportable, which is vastly different

They are both taxable and reportable.




Excellent info. The one thing I'm still not clear on is if all my transactions have to be reported separately.

For example. If I buy 1.15 on 1/1/16 for $565 and buy 2.0 on 1/5/16 $1020 and sell it at some point in the future for a total of $5000, when I file, can I just say I have taxable gains of $3,415 ($5000-($565+$1020)) or do I have to differentiate the transactions?

I like your site by the way, the thing that makes it difficult for me is that I have Bitcoin from prior years for which I have no records...


While a pain, yes, the IRS requires you report all capital gains transactions. So in your example there is one tax event per sell transaction even if in the end you came up with the same value.

Thanks for saying, glad you find the site useful.





Interesting. Does this apply when you sell bitcoins on localbitcoins.com and you withdraw your funds to a foreign bank account [euro currency]?

It applies when you sell on localbitcoins.

> you withdraw your funds to a foreign bank account [euro currency]

If you are selling BTC (or any coin) into EURO, then capital gains applies. Doesn't matter if you haven't converted into USD, but you'd have to calculate any USD gains. If you just mean withdrawing already converted funds (in USD/EURO) from localbitcoin to a foreign bank account, then this isn't a tax event. (unlikely exception, if there was a gain in exchange rate of more than $200).
6  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Tax Logistics on: April 29, 2016, 04:42:24 PM
1) Do I just add up all of my proceeds and subtract all of my basis?

Yes. Although you ought to be using FIFO, so using the basis of the earliest coins you owned.

2) Let's say you have an account with 10 BTC you've held for over a year. You then purchase 1 BTC at $400 and sell it an hour later for $401. Do you have short term gain of $1 or long term gain of $1? Is there a way to keep your long term holdings separate in order to day trade while still keeping a long term position in order to take advantage of the lower rate.

The default is FIFO, so you would have long-term gains of $401-$x from your 10 BTC pool. You could use LIFO (last-in-first-out) but you should use it consistency and not to avoid taxes. The IRS might not accept it in an audit.

If you maintain separate wallets and separate exchange accounts, then you can keep one for investment and one for spending. As long as they never mix.

3) Break even transactions: If I buy 1 BTC at $400 and sell it a month later for $400, $400.01 or something else that rounds to $400, does it have to be reported?

All capital gains transactions have to be reported. However, they round to nearest dollar (so $0) on your tax forms.

and anyway every amount that do not surpass $600 per year, is not taxable

This is wrong. There are no limits for capital gains in the US, everything is reportable. You are confusing the 1099-MISC business form requirement.


See https://bitcoin.tax for more information and to help calculate your capital gains and income.
7  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: New to bitcoins - UK taxes? on: March 30, 2016, 05:04:55 AM

1. If I make bitcoins by doing survey's and only use what I gain on ModafinilCat, am I liable to be taxed?
2. Is it possible that I'll go into bitcoin debt due to taxes?
3. I can't be taxed if I have a grand total of 0 bitcoins, can I?
4. Do I need to keep a fancy log or have a bitcoin tax calculator? (Considering I'll only be making purchases off ModafinilCat)


1. Depends if it is classified as trading (self-employed income) or a hobby. Essentially, the test is "are you seeking to make profit". If so, HMRC would see it as self-employed income and it's added to you other income for taxes. If you are occasionally filling in a survey and happen to make some profit, it's sounds like a hobby. If you are a serial-survey-filler and so making a tidy sum, you are doing it for profit.
2. Bitcoins aren't taxed, but any Bitcoin income is reported as income at a pound value. So if you earned 1 BTC and you report your earnings, it would be £288, for example, or the fair market value.
3. It's possible. If you earned 100 BTC and then spent them, you still earned 100 BTC that could be taxable income.
4. I would keep records anyway, just in case.
8  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Circle Tax Question on: February 26, 2016, 07:33:51 PM
One sec...

I have a question about this. I'm looking at getting into some small time trading.

I've been watching how the number go up and down each day, tracking it for a bit now and feel confident I can make money day trading.

The problem is how exactly the taxing works. Say I start with $2,000 and I wait for a low point, trade into bitcoin, way till it peaks that day. Normally a $20 difference roughly, so at $2,000 that would be trading it back into $2,100.

Say then it gets low again. I trade back into bitcoin then it gets high. I trade again, I get 2200. Now are they only gonna see the 2100 and the 2200 and tax me for 4300 dollars worth of income? When truthfully I only gained 200 dollars.

I don't mind being taxed for what i actually gain but if they're taxing me for the full amount that gets converted into usd each time, I could never make any money. Say i made 100 profit a day, that's 36,500 a year using the earlier model, ie. trading back and forth once a day.

If they taxed me for what I trade back into USD each time I would get taxed for something like $770,000

Are you one of those people who doesn't take a breath when talking? Smiley

Answer:

First, if you are a day trader, then the rules are different. This would be a business and probably your primary income. Most people aren't.

So as an individual, you are taxed only on gains (and losses) not the whole conversion.  In your first example, you made $100. That is $100 short-term capital gains.

Next trade, you put $2,100 in and get $2,200. Another $100 short-term capital gains.

Now, say you put that $2,200 back in and only get $2,000 out. Now you have a $200 loss, which means you net gain is zero. No income, no taxes.

There is an added complication if you were using Bitcoins you already owned, which is that you'd have to take their cost basis into account when you started. However, if you don't own any and are just starting with a USD balance, then at the end of the year you can just take your final USD balance less what it was when you started. That's your gain (or loss) and is capital gains income.



9  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Preparation for taxes on: February 25, 2016, 10:27:56 PM
Ok. First it depends where you live. Different countries have different rules, but mostly, if you make any money it's going to be taxable income. The question then becomes about thresholds, deductibles and rates.

So, let's assume you're in the US.

How do I file for taxes while earning any crypto currency such as bitcoin, litecoin, DASH, etc?

File your taxes as normal. Any profits you made from Selling BTC (or any coin) is capital gains. You also have to treat spending as selling, since your are bartering your coins for something with a fair value. So, again, calculate any gains. All this goes in 1040 Schedule D.

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What if I convert from one virtual currency to another, is there another tax included in the conversion?

While the IRS hasn't confirmed one way or the another, they see a transfer of property as a tax event. Therefore you need to work out any potential gains. Think of it as selling ABC into USD and then buying XYZ with that USD. The alternative would be that you're treating digital currencies as like-kind exchanges, but they would likely fail this test. Appeal if you get an audit and let me know how it goes Smiley

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What if mining does become the main source of income, do I still need to file for taxes?

Mining is income. The value of the income is the market value of those mined coins when you received them. Doesn't matter if you keep them, sell them or lose them, you still have that value as ordinary income. When you do come to sell/spend those coins, you use that value as the costs basis to work out capital gains.

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I've never declared taxes for my BTCs. Does that get me into trouble?

Doesn't really matter that it's Bitcoin, still tax fraud. You could make the same argument for earning cash and not declaring it.

Will you get into trouble? Yes, if you are caught. The IRS will calculate your taxes for you, which you'll pay with interest, plus any appropriate fines and civil penalties.

With taxes, you are guilty until proven innocent. So KEEP RECORDS. The burden is always on you. If you can't show where and how you got that money, the IRS will tax it at the maximum value.

If you need help calculating your Bitcoin taxes, we've been doing it for everyone for years:

https://bitcoin.tax

Here are some top 10 tips about taxation that also might explain a few things.

https://bitcoin.tax/blog/bitcoin-taxes-things-to-remember/

10  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Circle Tax Question on: February 10, 2016, 02:31:26 AM
Anything less then $600, doesn't need to showing up in your tax return ...
I took a HR block class, the instructor said so.
They are after big fish, not tiny tiny $6.

You need to ask for a refund. They were wrong.

There are no limits for capital gains reporting in the US. Every $1 gain should be reported.

The $600 common misconception is the limit at which a business needs to issue a 1099 form. Nothing to do with gains.
11  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Taxes (United States) on Bitcoin mined two years ago (income vs capital gain) on: February 02, 2016, 05:36:28 PM
However, I stopped mining Bitcoins a while before the guidelines were officially created by the IRS, back when Bitcoin was <$50 each. That said, I have no recollection or records of the pools I used to mine Bitcoin and I’m pretty sure the majority of them are out of commission by this point. I've also had to recreate my Bitcoin wallet several times along the way do to re-installing the OS/wallet getting corrupt. On top of that, the majority of Bitcoin now in my possession came from investing a few Bitcoins into other coins such as NXT that grew in price such that I was able to convert it back into several times the amount of Bitcoin I had put in.

My problem is, I’ve converted and withdrawn ~$20,000 worth of Bitcoin into my bank account. From my comments above, and now that Bitcoin is over $400 apiece, you can see most of my gains are capital gains from investing rather than mining. However, I have no record of my mining history, nor my gains history (the new coins I mainly invested in were newly created coins, aka I invested in it before it was officially offered on an exchange). When I file my taxes this year, would it be safe for me to file the $20,000 as $20,000 worth of capital gains (i.e. file everything I convert/withdraw for the full amount as capital gains) as opposed to worrying about the income tax portion?

First, you should understand the responsibility to keep records is on you. And in taxes, you are "guilty" until proven innocent. You do this by showing records.

Next, it doesn't matter when the IRS published guidelines. They are retrospective. Any coins you ever mined follow the same rules, which is, they are income at their fair value at the time of receipt. There has been well-documented historic prices for Bitcoin since they started, so you are able to find prices. Or, enter your mining volumes into https://bitcoin.tax and we'll look it up.

For capital gains, you take the amount you receive for the coins less their cost. The problem here is that if you can't adequately show (in an audit) when you received those coins, the IRS could treat them as 100% short-term capital gains. This effectively means they are being taxed at income rates rather than discounted long-term rates. However, this is really no different than mining a coin and then spending/selling it. You will pay income tax on the mined portion and capital gains tax on the gains portion. The only difference is if you can show it was long-term.

If you can't find records of when you acquired these coins, well, first, look harder. The blockchain exists for a reason. If you can track your mined coins to a payout address you can show when you received them. Otherwise you could estimate it, the date that is, and then look up the fair value. Or, lastly, treat it all as short-term gains. If you are paying the maximum amount of tax, the IRS won't care, they are getting what they are owed.

12  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Calculating cost basis for bitcoin mined on pool. on: January 04, 2016, 09:59:12 PM
When I mine bitcoins on a pool, I allow my rewards to accumulate on the pool until it reaches a certain threshold (1 BTC). Say it takes 10 days to to reach that amount. Then the pool pays out 1 BTC to my wallet say on date x. Therefore is the cost basis determined by the price of bitcoin on date x? Or do I have to calculate it based on the price of bitcoin * reward I get for each day?

As soon as they arrive into an account under your control, it is income. So you earn income every time a deposit is made, to the value of x BTC * market value (which could be a consistent BTC daily price). This is the taxable income in USD you received as well as setting the cost basis for those coins for when they are sold/spent.
13  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Circle Tax Question on: December 31, 2015, 09:24:35 PM
1.  If I choose to convert back to US dollars, this is considered a taxable event.

Yes. Any time you convert from capital property to currency, it's a tax event and you have to account for gains.

2.1.  First off, does that mean even if my balance was 0... I would have to check both of these options before i continue?  I have around $5.50 in my circle usd account at the moment.

Depends on if you want a USD balance or a BTC balance.

2.2  Even if my account was in bitcoin currency and not USD, wouldn't that mean when i sell the bitcoins to circle and get credited with an ACH transfer, well that is considered a taxable event?

If you did an ACH where your coins got converted to USD, then yes.

3.  Are transfers from circle or coinbase to bank account reported to the irs?

No. They are no reporting mechanism at the moment. If they did, you would get a form, as you do with a bank or broker. However, they will report your account for any suspicious activity like all banks.

4.  The reason why i ask this is b/c i wanted to know does me checking that option  

Simply put, if you choose to have a USD account, any transfers you make in are tax events and capital gains are possible. Any transfers out is in effective purchasing of new coins, and so sets their new cost basis (e.g. date and price).

If you have a BTC account, there an no tax implications except when you sell those coins.

5.  I'm assuming whether its checked or not, well any time you go from coinbase or circle to your bank acct, you are selling bitcoin and thus whether you checked anything or didn't have option to check this like on circle, it would be the same thing?  

Coinbase doesn't hold USD balances in their BTC wallets, it's BTC. However, they do have a separate USD wallet, where you would be selling and so capital gains apply.
14  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Mining Taxes for USA/Mexico on: December 12, 2015, 04:54:02 AM
You don't have to pay taxes for mine cryptocurrencies. Only if you sell them for fiat money.
As long as ou keep the coins and use them to buy directly with them, 0 taxes are paid.

You're wrong.

In IRS Notice 2014-21, bitcoin mining is considered income on the date of receipt. You need to work out the number of mined coins * the daily price. and declare it as income. You will pay taxes on that income like any other income.
15  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Taxes..COinBase on: December 12, 2015, 04:50:53 AM
They will be submitting fraud information like any other financial institution. We have also heard that they track where coins are sent to from their wallets and have closed accounts on that alone.

Nonetheless, if you haven't spent or sold any coins, you don't owe any taxes. If you have, you would need to calculate if you made any gains (or losses) and report them as part of 1040 Schedule D.

also if you are below $600 per year as income from bitcoin, you don't need to declare anything

This is wrong. All gains need to be declared.
16  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Capital Gains Taxes (USA) on: April 18, 2015, 10:15:06 PM
can you point me that rules? because i know that bitcoin itself are not taxable, but only their conversion in fiat

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/IRS-Virtual-Currency-Guidance

Bitcoin itself isn't taxable, no, but exchanging for fiat isn't the only taxable event. Bartering is also a tax event, which includes spending or trading altcoins, for example.

i can use bitcoin to buying used thing or food, and they won't track back something like this it's purely impossible...

The US tax system is an honor system. If you generate gains from spending Bitcoins that have increased in value, you are supposed to declare it. Poor recordkeeping is not an excuse if you were audited.

how so? something like this could only help adoption(as long as everyone will do it, merchants too), because it prevent dumping btc for fiat

It's bad advice because it's wrong.
17  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Does the wash sale rule apply to btc? on: April 15, 2015, 02:06:35 AM
According to the IRS,
"A wash sale occurs when you sell or trade stock or securities at a loss and within 30 days before or after the sale you...
Buy substantially identical stock or securities..."

Most tax professionals don't think so, since "A wash sale occurs when you sell or trade stock or securities...". Bitcoin are neither.

Should they? Maybe, but according to the tax code, they don't.

If you want an opinion from a tax lawyer:

http://www.bitcointaxsolutions.com/bitcoin-wash-sales/
18  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Capital Gains Taxes (USA) on: April 15, 2015, 01:57:35 AM
I have invested $500 in a Bitcoin share, so I have to report $500 to the IRS ? Is the $500 all I have to report regardless of the gains ? What if there are loses ? Do you know what forms I file ? Any idea if registering an investment business would lower my taxable amount ?

Sorry for so many questions, I guess I'll just contact the local IRS office.

You don't have to report anything if all you did is buy Bitcoin.

But spending or selling them might incur capital gains. This is the difference between the amount you sold and what you bought.

You should also include any losses, since it is in your best interest, as they can offset any other gains you might have (e.g. stocks) or income taxes.

See here:

https://bitcoin.tax/blog/filing-your-bitcoin-taxes/

19  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin tax software? on: April 15, 2015, 01:50:46 AM
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i'm interested in this if it ever exist, can you point us to this software? i would like to see how it work

https://bitcoin.tax

Feel free to ask if you have any questions.

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Can you explain why to use any software to tax on Bitcoins? I do not understand reason why. May be I missed something important. Can I be part of tax office then?

In many countries, the profits from buying and selling property or assets is income. Income is taxed. In the US, if you mined any coins, it is income. If you sold/spent any coins for more than they were purchased, it is capital gains income.

This made me laugh. But seriously I never heard about bitcoin.tax before and I am checking their site now. I found this: https://bitcoin.tax/blog/bitcoin-taxes-things-to-remember/ and I am dumbfounded.
What the hell is this? I live in EU and we DON'T have anything like that here. Why would I want even declare that I own bitcoin?! To pay more taxes? It is just stupid.

Depends where you live in EU. Many countries tax capital gains, and Bitcoin is treated in the same way. You don't pay taxes on Bitcoins, but you pay taxes on profits you make from selling them.

20  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tax on profit from bitcoin trading? (in US) on: March 02, 2015, 02:23:05 AM
Yes, it's property so you treat it as capital gains.

Work out the difference between what you bought the coins for and what you sold them for, less any fees. That is you capital gain or loss. It is reported in total on 1040 Schedule D and line by line in Form 8949.

You can use https://bitcoin.tax if you need help.
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