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1  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: intersango bitcoin withdraw not possible? (no fiat involved) on: March 06, 2014, 11:53:25 PM
Thank you zhangweiwu. I have filed a report as well. I am sorry not having much time to investigate very deeply in these matters currently, due to impending deadlines. I have found out that first consults with civil lawyers tend to be free here in the Netherlands, but I am simply too busy to sacrifice half a day at the moment. But let's see how this develops for now and second half of the month should be better.

btw, since you also had coins in mtgox, I trust you have wrote an email here?

http://www.selachii.co.uk/solicitors-blog/bitcoin-mt-gox-class-action-update/

Deadline is 4pm GMT Friday...
2  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Your police reports needed. Patrick Strateman - Buddy wants his Bitcoins. on: March 04, 2014, 08:23:27 PM
Intersango website has now become unreachable for me...
3  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: intersango bitcoin withdraw not possible? (no fiat involved) on: March 03, 2014, 05:46:45 PM
Just a quick update. I spoke with my lawyer friend but her expertise in this area is not specific enough to really help us in this matter. She, as well as the police, have told me this would normally classify as a civil case, relating to the agreement signed between me and Intersango and hence they advised to arrange a consult with a civil lawyer, which is what I think Icicle has already done. Also I don't think a Dutch lawyer can really help here, since the company is based in the UK and Patrick is in the US, so I think for now it may be best to follow Icicle's approach and contribute to her case the best we can.

In response to your comment on being from the first world: 12.4 BTC is a lot of money to me. I am a student and I could currently pay off a good part of my student loans with this (esp together with the BTC that went missing at mtgox), which will save me a lot of worries during for years to come.
4  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Your police reports needed. Patrick Strateman - Buddy wants his Bitcoins. on: March 03, 2014, 05:32:01 PM
I have tried filing a report, about the 12.4 BTC still owed to me by intersango, with the police in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. The police however says they can't file it, as this case relates to the agreement between me and the company. Hence this is a civil case and is not related to criminal law. The only thing they did was they told me to get a lawyer and sue the company. Perhaps you would have any advise on this, Icicle?

Btw, I am the guy that zhangweiwu spoke of. I have contacts in London and could travel there personally relatively easily, if this would contribute/achieve something, however I understand now from your last post that the case has already been filed in the UK? Please let me know if you think I can mean something in progressing this matter.

Hope Buddy is still doing ok, considering..
5  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: intersango bitcoin withdraw not possible? (NO cash involved) on: February 25, 2014, 06:17:21 PM
I am Dutch and lived in the UK for some years. After that used to visit the UK regularly up until recently, but no plans now for the foreseeable future. I do however have contacts in London that may be able to file a case and I should be able to travel to London at a relatively low cost if needed.

Annoying thing now is that I had to cancel my withdrawal request because in any case I do not want any BTC to go to mtgox anymore. I can prove, however, that I requested a withdrawal and asked for support twice over the course of two months, and of course my emailing Patrick. I have now again put in a request for the full amount of BTC owed to me by intersango, but to an offline/cold storage wallet. Something I should have created a long time ago.

If we really want to file a case we will have to look into what we stand to gain and where we stand legally under UK law, where the company originates. One of the worries I had, and possibly share with other people, is that BTC is not legal tender and hence we might not get coins, but only original fiat investments. On the other hand, if we buy shares through a bank or company, then those aren't legal tender either. It seems only logical that if we had bought some shares in e.g. Tesla motors a few years back and they were owed to me by a company who can not provide those original shares, that I would get recompensed for the current value of those shares, even though those shares have doubled in value many times over since then. I will confirm with my lawyer friend how this works under Dutch law and I am quite sure in the UK it should be the same, or at least similar.
6  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: intersango bitcoin withdraw not possible? (NO cash involved) on: February 25, 2014, 03:50:52 PM
Bitcoinica/ Intersango's BTC funds were on Patrick's account on MTGox.

How would you know this, Dipsomaniac?
7  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: intersango bitcoin withdraw not possible? (NO cash involved) on: February 25, 2014, 12:10:21 PM
Have been trying to withdraw from intersango since start of December. Some smaller amounts (up to 0.09 BTC) went through around December 10th.

Then tried to withdraw the rest (12.4 BTC) several times (#58315 and #58371) just before and around X-mas. Thought perhaps these amounts were too big to deal with in one go so was polite enough to reduce the withdrawal to 2 BTC (#58470) on January 6th. Logged a few support tickets and tried to email to Patricks gmail.

Guess in a way I am lucky because last withdrawal would have gone to mtgox, so I have just cancelled it and now I will have to go all the way to the back of the queue again...like the queue still matters...

I do not believe the message on the intersango homepage. Does it take a month to restart a computer? Should they not have been able to come up with a plan to avoid such a long downtime of their hotwallet system and at least warned us beforehand, if the downtime of the power facilities had been scheduled - as it says on the website?

It is really painful to see a bunch of nitwits and amateurs (I am being polite here) turning a beautiful idea, that even has potential to rescue humanity from our current debt-ridden economic system, into a complete disaster.
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