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1  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: March 27, 2020, 08:03:01 PM
Who has not read yet, please read and write your comments.
2  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: March 22, 2020, 09:20:55 AM
The topic really carries over to the discussion of altcoins. Apparently, for Bitcoin, any change in the algorithm is unacceptable.
Says who? Bitcoin is not patented by anybody and no one is entitled to speak on behalf of it.

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If some node intentionally does not sign the message, then the miner includes in the block any other UNI with a minimum value.
And it is the problem, unintentional forks happen too much because you have not addressed the availability nightmare, There should be a consensus on what miners should include in their blocks before they start mining. I'd suggest a pre-pow phase. e.g. instead of including UNIs in the blocks let's have a PoS-only empty block each round which confirms the PoW blocks and is confirmed later by another PoW block and so on.


The branches will have the same frequency as the standard POW. Once a block hash is found that satisfies the given conditions, other miners will include it in the basis of the next block. Signature nodes will start issuing UNI signatures for this block; they will not be able to do this for another block with the same serial number. The general principles remain the same as in the standard POW, the only difference is that the complexity of the hash of the block depends on the UNI signature included in it, so that the attacker could not covertly search for the block hash and organize a 51% attack.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: March 21, 2020, 07:34:09 PM
OP,

Thank you for sharing. I just finished reading your article. Although I strongly support and appreciate your intentions, I afraid your work is not matured enough to be discussed in detail. You need to keep working on it harder both in terms of design and representation, IMO. Some points for now:

1- Combining two very different approaches to cryptocurrency and blockchain is a bold choice but it won't work without extensive research on the very basic ideas behind the approaches.

2- You are absolutely silent about the networking layer: How pow miners and stake nodes should communicate for the miner to have the signed UNI from the specific node? What do we have to do with availability issues? IOW, what happens if the ode with the respective UNI is down?

3- What happens if the designated node is malfunctioning intentionally or not and declines to sign the appropriate message?





Thanks for taking the time to read. Of course, for implementation it is necessary to develop in more detail, while this is only an idea.
The interaction of miners and signing nodes occurs on mutually beneficial conditions. The miner is interested in obtaining a signature with a minimum numerical value to reduce the complexity of mining. The signing node is interested in having its signature included in the block and receiving a reward. If for some reason the miner cannot get UNI signatures, then the algorithm turns into a standard POW, since it is impossible to reduce the complexity.
If some node intentionally does not sign the message, then the miner includes in the block any other UNI with a minimum value.
4  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: March 21, 2020, 07:28:00 PM
This was originally posted in tech subforum, I replied (and merited op by the way) but they moved the topic to altcoin discussion sub(!) now I understand op has started another thread here which is more active.
It is getting really crazy, mods go high on their extremism ever and ever and newbies are among the most vulnerable, somebody should do something about this madness, "Hello somebody!" As Nina Turner used to say in the good pre-corona days of dem 2020 debates  Cheesy

Anyway, it's my post over there:
OP,

Thank you for sharing. I just finished reading your article. Although I strongly support and appreciate your intentions, I afraid your work is not matured enough to be discussed in detail. You need to keep working on it harder both in terms of design and representation, IMO. Some points for now:

1- Combining two very different approaches to cryptocurrency and blockchain is a bold choice but it won't work without extensive research on the very basic ideas behind the approaches.

2- You are absolutely silent about the networking layer: How pow miners and stake nodes should communicate for the miner to have the signed UNI from the specific node? What do we have to do with availability issues? IOW, what happens if the ode with the respective UNI is down?

3- What happens if the designated node is malfunctioning intentionally or not and declines to sign the appropriate message?



The topic really carries over to the discussion of altcoins. Apparently, for Bitcoin, any change in the algorithm is unacceptable. Or 2 threads with the same name are not allowed. I'm not sure.


Thanks for taking the time to read. Of course, for implementation it is necessary to develop in more detail, while this is only an idea.
The interaction of miners and signing nodes occurs on mutually beneficial conditions. The miner is interested in obtaining a signature with a minimum numerical value to reduce the complexity of mining. The signing node is interested in having its signature included in the block and receiving a reward. If for some reason the miner cannot get UNI signatures, then the algorithm turns into a standard POW, since it is impossible to reduce the complexity.
If some node intentionally does not sign the message, then the miner includes in the block any other UNI with a minimum value.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: March 20, 2020, 04:48:44 PM
Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain.
This is a hybrid algorithm. The algorithm is not typical. The algorithm is more secure than standard POW. There are no analogues at the moment. It is like a bipartisan political system. On the one hand, miners, on the other hand, coin holders. Each of the parties individually cannot influence the system as a whole.

Additional protection against attacks 51%.
Mining pools together will not be able to attack blockchain.
This algorithm is more environmentally friendly. You can save a lot of energy while maintaining the current security level of the blockchain compared to the standard POW.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Ca36qzsXf5bAqm2pFZafQDGdNSyPKSEx

I published this algorithm in a general topic, but, apparently, experts do not go there, there are no comments on the algorithm.
Please leave comments after reading.
6  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: March 14, 2020, 08:56:08 PM
Since there is no commission for miners for transactions in this network.

I don't think anyone would pay a few thousand sats for a 1 sat transaction. While miners don't earn money on the Lighting Network transactions, they are paid for establishing and settling down the balance of Lightning Network channels.

Is it possible that the Lightning network in the future will adversely affect the security of the Bitcoin network?

The Lightning Network can't function without the blockchain. It won't replace on-chain transactions. It might decrease some of the load and encourage people to spend Bitcoin on small things since it won't cost a fortune.

But if the Lightning network in the future will be popular and time will prove its safety, then there are few who will want to pay a commission to the miner.
7  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: March 14, 2020, 08:40:59 PM
Is it possible that the Lightning network in the future will adversely affect the security of the Bitcoin network?
Since there is no commission for miners for transactions in this network.
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is bitcoin mining a problem of wasting energy? No on: March 11, 2020, 03:33:49 PM
Bitcoin is already centralized, Bitmain just splits their over 51% dominance in multiple pools, so the clueless stay clueless.

So.. AntPool + BTC.com = 51%? Math checks out lmao.


4 players can control the Bitcoin network. That's why any changes in consensus, if they reduce the income of miners, are doomed to failure.

Bitcoin consumes most of the energy from mining all cryptocurrencies. Therefore, a dead end.
9  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: March 06, 2020, 05:38:39 PM
Sounds like typical hybrid solutions(proof of work + proof of stake). Both the current PoS and PoW consensus mechanism are not really good for decentralization. We probably could however have some kind of sustainable and decentralized PoW or use decentralized trust combined with our decentralized unique IDs. And you could just remove the consensus from PoS and let the people use it for just staking, helping decentralized networks, etc.

The algorithm is really hybrid, but not typical. Please write reviews directly according to the algorithm.
10  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: March 03, 2020, 06:54:56 PM
The P-POW algorithm proposed by me...

Sorry to burst your bubble here, but I don't think you're grasping the magnitude of what it is you're proposing.  Bitcoin's network handles more wealth in a day than you are ever going to see in your entire life.  If you want your proposal to gain any traction whatsoever, it needs to be seen in action to be as robust and resilient as the current algorithm.  No one in their right mind is going to go along with a fork to a completely untested algorithm based on nothing more than a forum post and something on google drive.  We're not just going to take your word for it and go along for the ride.  Either code it up or pay someone to code it for you, put it on a public testnet and open beta, stress-test the hell out of it, get other developers involved, etc.  Prove beyond all doubt that:

a) it works
b) it still provides the right economic incentive for miners to secure the chain
c) it really does provide advantages over the current system

And even after you do all that, there might still be no one willing to go forward with your proposal.  Again, there's quite a lot at stake to be playing around with the security of network. 

If the above sounds like more effort than you're willing to put in, I'd suggest it's probably not worth your time.  We hear lots of half-finished ideas that never even make it to the code stage.

I think that there are people who are professionals capable of evaluating an idea without machine code. After all, machine code is just a tool. When you want to make a stool, do you first take a hammer or think?
11  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: March 02, 2020, 04:36:08 PM
So it is quite ok and safe to have big mining companies been ordinary compliant and regulated corporations imho
This statement contradicts the basic idea of ​​bitcoin. Bitcoin is independent of the authorities. If the authorities subjugate him, he will be destroyed.
As much as I like the idea of a completely anarchist Bitcoin, I'm down-to-earth enough to know that won't happen.
The Bitcoin network itself is not prone to regulation, by design, so much is true.
The Participants in the network, namely the miners, exchanges, maybe even ordinary users, definitely are.

But the end of n participants won't be the end of Bitcoin as long as n < all.

This "regulation" is external to Bitcoin. With or without permission, Bitcoin works. You can legislate and regulate all you want, Bitcoin is in no obligation to follow. You have to voluntarily comply, but you could also not comply and Bitcoin would work the same.

You think no one in Ecuador or Bolivia is using Bitcoin? Think again. But they have to be more careful, just in case and not expose themselves. Yes it sucks a bit in adoption, especially in the physical world (shops, street merchants, ATMs, etc).

If you do not willingly surrender your data, so they can associate your identity with your wallet, they cannot tell. Specially if you use things like Tor for your transactions, and remember to not re-use an address.

Bitcoin now depends on several associations of miners. Authorities can easily subjugate them. Thus, the authorities will gain control over bitcoin. The P-POW algorithm proposed by me limits the influence of miners on cryptocurrency.
12  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: February 16, 2020, 08:04:28 PM
There is only one proper fix for (big) mining operators who want to alter some legally relevant and properly defined protocol (e.g. By the Satoshi White Paper): by law enforcement.

So it is quite ok and safe to have big mining companies been ordinary compliant and regulated corporations imho
This statement contradicts the basic idea of ​​bitcoin. Bitcoin is independent of the authorities. If the authorities subjugate him, he will be destroyed.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: January 30, 2020, 06:25:15 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/esebco/infrastructure_funding_plan_for_bitcoin_cash_by/

Dumbest idea ever... Sad
If these pools want to donate..do it...dont try to soft fork it in for " 6months"(which means 4eva)
The whole thing is shady, taxing miners forcing them to pay some shell company in Hong Kong !
I dont care who the Hong Kong group are or what they will do with the funds...they must not get paid this way..end of.

This TAX has no consensus and is trying to sneak into a future planned HF that had consensus....
Not Good and very sneaky.


I think another HF and split for BCH maybe coming...and a new ATL..


What's the lastest update on this drama?

It's the best example of the cartelization of miners working for their own interest at the expense of the whole network, because the network itself gave a reason/opportunity for the miners to.



I cannot agree more - miners openly collude and  agree on 51% attacks right away - ABC seems REKT

BU watches for BSV ....

I think you need the solution described in this thread. Then the miners will not be able to dictate their terms. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215111.0
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Gold : Make Bitcoin Decentralized Again on: January 27, 2020, 06:28:54 PM
I think the solution to the “51% attack” problem can be found in this thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215111.0
15  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: January 23, 2020, 07:47:57 PM
I think that proof of work is starting to become obsolete, proof of stake is better and delegated proof of stake seems to be the top contender. I know Bitcoin is the foundation but I think in the future better algorithms will come and replace both proof of stake and proof of work. You also have Byzantine Fault Tolerance and proof of weight. I think the best consensus algorithm is delegated proof of stake, Tron and EOS seem to have the most Dapps on the market and receive the most support.
At the beginning of 2019, the Ethereum Classic network survived the 51% attack. I think the proposed P-POW algorithm could prevent such an attack.
16  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: January 08, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
51% Attack can be done technically. But in practice it is very difficult to have such a thing. Besides, instead of budgeting, other ways can be tried. If you are considering manipulation for a coin, all you have to do is simple. Don't make purchase after sale. You direct the price that simple. This is not ethical behavior.

I do not propose to engage in financial manipulations, purchases and sales. The need to buy a large amount of coins for a successful attack by an attacker is an obstacle, because It’s stupid to attack the blockchain in which he invested a lot of money. Losses will exceed gains. As long as an attacker controls less than half of all coins mined, it will be more difficult for him to carry out an attack than in a blockchain with a standard POW algorithm.
17  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: January 06, 2020, 09:16:49 PM
I've not given it much thought so far, but there's at least one thing that stood out:
The main advantage of this protocol is to protect against 51% attack. In order to overtake the
existing network, an attacker will need to increase the network capacity in proportion to the ratio
of the number of UNIs in a public network to the number of UNIs in a false network. Since the
number of UNIs depends on the number of coins, there is no point in attacking the network in
which the attacker has significant property, so the amount of UNIs available to an attacker will
be significantly less than the number of UNIs in the public network.
I guess that's a logical flaw.
If an attacker were to try a double spend, the network he would attack would always be the one in which he has less coins, i.e. he will have an even greater incentive to attack that network.


This works on the principles of probability theory. The more addresses for UNI generation the attacker controls, the lower the numerical value of the UNI that he can generate. Accordingly, the complexity of mining a block in a hidden chain will be lower. And vice versa. Therefore, for a successful attack, the attacker must invest a lot of money to buy the nodes that will generate the UNI
18  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: January 06, 2020, 08:36:16 PM
This algorithm is no more complicated than the standard POW, but gives additional advantages.
Please write your comments on this algorithm.
19  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain. on: January 05, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
Proof of Work algorithm in the public chain.
This is a hybrid algorithm. The algorithm is not typical. The algorithm is more secure than standard POW. There are no analogues at the moment. It is like a bipartisan political system. On the one hand, miners, on the other hand, coin holders. Each of the parties individually cannot influence the system as a whole.

Additional protection against attacks 51%.
Mining pools together will not be able to attack blockchain.
This algorithm is more environmentally friendly. You can save a lot of energy while maintaining the current security level of the blockchain compared to the standard POW.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Ca36qzsXf5bAqm2pFZafQDGdNSyPKSEx
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