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The forever down coin, I liquidated my position on this trash long ago. Useless leadership that doesn't take solid advice from people who know how markets work.
There was no incentive for Rijk to make the 2 coins a success as he comes from a rich family. His dad is a well known lawyer in my country and Plasman family is well off. Control was more important then success, although he preached no control , the actions was all control. Gulden and Florin failing = Rijk still has a good life which is why he didn't work hard for the coins success and expected others to do the work, but no community works when a premine is in place because it is expected for the owner of the premine and other rewards to make the coin a success. This combination of Rijk not needing the coin to be a success and the community hesistant to do work because of the premine was always going to equal failure in the end. Here we are. |
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Again 10.000xfl locked in holding for 3 years. The investors seem to be committed long-term
For early investors that got in before the supply manipulation took place it is a good investment, if I knew Rijk was going to cut the supply of Novo and change the name I would of also purchased 1000s of coins. The same if Rijk told us he was selling Gulden before he sold , everyone would sell but you have to be a insider to get this information. The supply change was openly discussed in slack before it occured. He talked about thoroughly and only once people approved the plan the changes were made. So your whole argument is bs. You could have bought 1000s of coins. But you didn’t. holding is not good when it first started, when my holding account expires I will keep the coins free. A lot of the premine is in holding accounts and those investors are going to earn most of the coins. No hope for the small guy and girl holding with 30-50 florin is not going to earn much. Investors keeping their coins free: ThIs IS NoT GoOd! Investors locking their coins for 3 years: ThIs Is nOT gOOd! no no, it's very good for big premine investors to hold because they can earn $1000 a day ova all the big holding accounts but not for small investors with one or two 30-50 holding accounts. I make a mistake in my other post, it shall say holding is good when it started but not good for small holders anymore. Rijk earning $1000 a day on holding. GG Rijk GG, no airdrop for holders and your premined coins excluding the small guys. |
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I am a little disappointed that raising the funds for the xt.com listing is taking a long time for Florin, if I owned 15000 Florin I would of paid for the listing myself. Where are the rich investors?
The new Gulden premine will be the rich investor. |
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Don't go buy a lot of Gulden or Florin if you not a influener yourself or it will end badly for you.
This must be the dumbest thing i read on here fore a while, and that is an achievement because there is a lot of dumb sh*t being said on here in the past :-) Before claiming it's the dumbest thing you've read, think about it. Rijk has admitted it's up to the community or whoever invests to make the coin successful outside of development, if I buy 20% of the florin supply and I know I can't put any effort into it's success how much motivation is there with the other 80% who own coins? What if a few own 50% and they investors like me, who is going to go to conferences, do promoting etc to make my investment successful. With coins like HEX as another poster mentioned, you have Richard Heart doing all that promotional work and a development team which = less risk for investors as you have a team driving it's complete success. Florin and Gulden have a dev team but no one is driving it's success, it's up to us and I can't so I would rather invest in other coins that have a complete plan. Rijk looks to be settled on a Anarchy style for Gulden and in real life this does not work because someone will rise up to be a leader. I notice Rijk is pressing for a solution he likes on starting a new coin for Gulden because without him involved in the conversation I don't see any changes made without a leader. Rijk doesn't give a shit, he only wants a new premine to support Florin and he will have to rush a decision soon because it will take time for the developers to get the new premine scheme moving. He can't let Gulden go because he needs it to support his turbo dumpwhale status in florin. |
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Rijk also spend time on charactor assassination in slack and not reading what is said and trying to bait people into getting lawyer letters. Albert did a good job in getting transparency from Rijk on the bitvavo funding, keep up the good work Albert!
I got a few messages on slack to say that Rijk only care about florin , you can see he is all double standards. When florin want XT exchange listing he like all happy but when Gulden ask he comes with a threat and adding another exchange will take the price down. He is a real shitbag with no soul.
Yes Albert, be the hero for the people here. Here. can the community and you start over Rijk. positive vibes and make Gulden work? this must come from a place of angry and you taking this out on the community that have stood with you long time. Rijk 7:55 PM Gulden op XT, zeker een goed idee, de prijs zal stijgen van 0,005 naar 0,0049. Rijk 7:56 PM Oh en je bent het enige vangnet wat we nog hebben kwijt… die resterende BTC. Predictable response from a person looking for a new premine. Richpissman and others have warned enough people and anyone that wants to get taken on a ride for another 8 years you don't have any sympathy from me, I have sympathy for the dutch citizens who don't know what they getting into with Rijk. He will use the same decentralization mantra to take your money and make you feel guilty about it when it fails. You can give this guy 10 premines and he will say it's your fault in the name of decentralization, It's how these types work. He complains about turbo whales but these whales if it's not him and his old premine are making decentralized choices on how they want to trade. |
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You are not answering why as a Gulden whale you care about the XFL premine
This will be the third time Rijk is creating a premine which should come as no surprise because when Rijk does something he repeats the living shit out of it. It's important because he is going to dangle the investor carrot to get buyin from the community. So your claim is there are no investors? Who did Rijk sell the premine too? I want to determine the level of investor Rijk is dealing with before he creates another 170 million premine. or Did Rijk sell part of the premine to Rico and Michael? Your imagination: It was sold to Heineken and they sold to Rico and Michael. Rijk does not need a Gulden premine. Florin investors don't need to pay for exchange listings. The reality: Rijk gave coins to Rico and Michael for free publicity. Rijk needs a Gulden premine. Florin investors need to pay for exchange listings. |
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A little concerned the small guys have to fit the bill for a Florin exchange listing when I was expecting the "rich florin premine investors" to pay for all this? Arent they the ones holding most of the coins, something is not adding up here. A guy with 50 coins is supposed to donate for an exchange that will benefit investors with over 20 000 coins.
A community member contacted XT and got a listing proposal. Same community member started a crowdfunding for it. So now the big investors should automatically pay for any community plan? Some people here have no rational thinking capacity. Stunning. I would contribute but mining is increasingly difficult with the higher price and I will rather save my coins. My vakantiegeld ran dry last month or I could pay another way  The community member can ask Rijk to contribute. He will benefit the most, why must we average investors fit the bill for him to get super rich? Changed it for you. |
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Rijks plan to change to a new coin is falling flat as more people calling him out. It sounds to me Rijk did not get any money for the Florin premine and is desperate for funding.A member called Nuno came with a good idea to add a dev reward to Florin to make it fair . To share the burden of development between both projects.
I will vote for a Florin Dev reward, that is your answer for funding Rijk.
Or if it's not about the money create a new gulden without a premine ?
A scammer will never go for that plan, it will hurt his premine. He will get his new coin, the only reason he is debating is because he needs the same people in the Gulden community to become long term bagholders of his new premine. What did he achieve with 8 years of a Gulden premine and funding besides taking a big slice out for himself and paying 1 developer to do all the work. You trust this same guy to scam you again for another 8 years? |
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One of the tells of a con artist is they get angry when confronted. They will get angry as a way to force their agenda and to shut down a debate.
everyone was warned about Rijk, his only goal is to extract money from you for the least effort possible and use the decentralization excuse when the obvious failures are under the scope. He is blaming you bagholders and will still sell his new premine to the same bagholders and blame you again. Wake up mensen!! |
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Are people really this gullible ?
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Volunteers
Sources tell me only Rijk gets the moolah, the rest work for decentralisation. Which of these decentralisation workers will be approaching Bitvavo? |
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Will there be new wallets for the reward halving? 24 days to go from my calcs.  Who is calling the shots with Gulden these days? Waiting for a delay announcement to milk the high rewards for longer but maybe I will be surprised AGAIN! It is Rijk and the GAB, if they delay it's not all bad, the 700 million max supply will come faster. This means, that when block 1.400.000 is minted, the changes to the block reward will be active. Block 1.400.001 will then be the first block with the new block rewards. This is in approximately 50.000 minutes from now (time of publication). And is expected to be around July the 1st this year (2021). Can't believe Rijk is going ahead with the change and only 21 days away. I will believe it when I see it. |
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Will there be new wallets for the reward halving? 24 days to go from my calcs. Who is calling the shots with Gulden these days? Waiting for a delay announcement to milk the high rewards for longer but maybe I will be surprised AGAIN! |
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It's sadge that we have no clarity on the above. It's poor form to keep people in limbo status on what is seemingly a easy decision to make.
Gulden operates uniquely to other coins. Its a hybrid setup with centralised funding for development but Rijk doesn't take responsibility for the coins success or failure outside of development. This is left to the supporters of Gulden to make a success. This is what I read from Rijks previous posts which is good that he is transparent about it. niet stemmers is a political party in the Netherlands, has a similar concept of centralized funding through taxation for no work or responsibility. The Dutch voters didn't like the idea but they were transparent about it. Sounds familiar? |
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I dont understand why people keep replying to him
Stop feeding the troll.
Rijk is showing who is in control but claims no responsibility while getting paid. It's all a power play to remind the GAB who is boss. |
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When did Rijk leave Gulden? |
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Yes, a change is coming. A much needed change because Guldens great development is overshadowed by the future supply concerns.
Gulden is trying to achieve the Dutch bitcoin crypto not the Weimar Germany crypto. The current setup is nothing like a Dutch bitcoin where you expect the value of your coins to give you more purchasing power not less. With the Euro we slowly pay more Euro for the same product as time passes. Most people want the opposite effect for Gulden where you pay less Gulden for the same product as time passes. Rijk will never allow any change to his personal dev fund. The fear stories will come, more rhetorical questions and the community will become silent. This will be the awakening moment for Gulden and the longconRijkcoin. |
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Although I finish selling the last of my Gulden this weekend I don't think it's a good idea for Gulden to change the rewards and let it run. EFL can still be the Dutch coin for scarcity and the foundation is in touch with a developer that is going to help EFL.
Gulden community has Novo as the scarcity coin, maybe time to let Gulden die and let Rijk focus on Novo?
The community is discussing the reward changes but it looks to me a tactic not get the rewards changed. When the dev rewards was raised twice the board decided quickly to up it with no consultation with the community. The community discussion will lead to different figures with the end result that no majority can be determined and the rewards will be left as is. I could be wrong but this is the sense I get, give the impression you want change but in the back rooms of the board and devs no change will be made because the community could not decide on one option. Read my name, zero chance of any changes if it affects the development funding, any community unison on a change will be met with 100s of rhetorical questions from Rijk asking how , why etc etc. This is all a smokescreen. |
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Nothing has changed in 7 years , except new lambs to the slaughter and a new round of angry investors, this must be the pre dev reward batch, Rijk has worked out that the next batch will be far smaller for Gulden and had to create a new coin to convince the same investors this one will make you money.
Rijk has played a good game with Malcolm as his trophy developer to add legitimacy to his personal goals.
Its easy to see when you don't have any stake in the game.
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