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1  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Orvels "1984" closer than ever? on: August 12, 2019, 09:27:49 AM

I am surprised to see newbies on this section. Not that I find anything wrong with you particularly.


I posted the thread somewhere else, apparently it did not fit there and it was moved here.
After that I noticed that I am unable to post on other serious discussion threads, I suppose that means that this thread is ' special' .


Frustrating tough that cant post on other threads yet.
2  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Orvels "1984" closer than ever? on: August 11, 2019, 05:29:59 PM
The difference between 1984 and real life is that plenty of us are actually volunteering for it and actively pursuing it in many a case.

If you'd told George Orwell that he would've tossed his cookies.


No system can work without collaboration(ist?).

How does the wild capitalism work?

5% of mega-wealthy
10% of wealthy.
10% of people who make a good living serving those above.
25% of people that are scared to loose what they have, are convinced by propaganda, or vote with their guts,...



I think your data about wealth distribution is incorrect.
This source https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/ quotes that 1% owns 45 % of the wealth and i believe that this is much closer to reality.

The real question in the context of data usage against the population itself for political gain is how many are exposed and how easily their minds are influenced by ads and relevant information.
3  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Orvels "1984" closer than ever? on: August 05, 2019, 12:58:31 PM
The difference between 1984 and real life is that plenty of us are actually  for it and actively pursuing it in many a case.

If you'd told George Orwell that he would've tossed his cookies.

As for 'volunteering'
I have encountered 2 types of thinking.
1. I dont care , let them steal my data, i dont have anything to hide. Possibly they would change their minds if they knew what exactly Whatsapp will be doing with their conversations in future.
2. They simply dont know, they are not aware of the extent and what they are doing with the data. I feel that there are many who think that  data stealing is not that real. This is why I think that we need to inform others about this topic.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Tracking the mining rigs on: August 01, 2019, 09:07:03 PM
He probably just want to steal some mining rigs or asics ...

Why Cheesy
No!

Actually I was wondering if  anyone can analyse the geographical distribution of rigs around the world Tongue
I have not mining experience also, I recently saw an article of mining power distribution but they did not explain how they gained the data. Surely It can be so easily gotten as searching google,lol.
5  Other / Serious discussion / Orvels "1984" closer than ever? on: August 01, 2019, 09:02:20 PM
 I believe that those who are passionate about crypto currencies and block-chain technology in general also value their privacy and freedom .This is why I thought that this information about privacy and messaging cryptography would fit right in.

As many of you know, there has been a lot of public discussion and court action on Facebook's data policies including German court, Belgian court findings and Cambridge Analytica scandal. In short, all of those scandals are about Facebook's data stealing , privacy bending and last but not least- using data to  sway political elections one or other way. More on their legal hearings here. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/facebook-s-2018-timeline-scandals-hearings-security-bugs-n952796
 

For those who dont know , Whatsapp was bought by Facebook in 2014 for  $21.8 billion or at the time it would mean that they paid  $55 per user ! This story is about Whatsapp and how Facebook will most likely destroy any shred of our privacy in the name of “ security of public” .

The whatsapp will be continuously – non stop scanning our messages and then if flagged by some keywords or something else, the messages will be sent to central system to be evaluated without users knowing what is happening.

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..Facebook announced earlier this year preliminary results from its efforts to move a global mass surveillance infrastructure directly onto users’ devices where it can bypass the protections of end-to-end encryption.
In Facebook’s vision, the actual end-to-end encryption client itself such as WhatsApp will include embedded content moderation and blacklist filtering algorithms. These algorithms will be continually updated from a central cloud service, but will run locally on the user’s device, scanning each cleartext message before it is sent and each encrypted message after it is decrypted.

The company even noted that when it detects violations it will need to quietly stream a copy of the formerly encrypted content back to its central servers to analyze further, even if the user objects, acting as true wiretapping service.


Basically facebook will be wiretapping every phone which has whatsapp and using them. This makes me wonder, if this kind of behavior is acceptable for them, what kind of  information they already are stealing from our phones with their facebook apps. Not a pleasant though.


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Facebook’s model entirely bypasses the encryption debate by globalizing the current practice of compromising devices by building those encryption bypasses directly into the communications clients themselves and deploying what amounts to machine-based wiretaps to billions of users at once.

In addition they are not saying when they are going to implement this.

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Asked the current status of this work and when it might be deployed in the production version of WhatsApp, a company spokesperson declined to comment. Of course, Facebook’s efforts apply only to its own encryption clients, leaving criminals and terrorists to turn to other clients like Signal or their own bespoke clients they control the source code of.
The problem is that if Facebook’s model succeeds, it will only be a matter of time before device manufacturers and mobile operating system developers embed similar tools directly into devices themselves, making them impossible to escape. Embedding content scanning tools directly into phones would make it possible to scan all apps, including ones like Signal, effectively ending the era of encrypted communications.

Governments would soon use lawful court orders to require companies to build in custom filters of content they are concerned about and automatically notify them of violations, including sending a copy of the offending content.

Maybe this is starting with the white and fluffy intentions of catching criminals and terrorists . But surely it will open some very dangerous doors for governments to monitor whatever they like. For example those who do not agree with their governments policies..  I believe that all this is done just to get access to more of our data, we all know how huge data market is grown, data and information is money! The more they know, the more precisely they can sell shit to us and sway our votes.

This new piece has me wondering if we are heading to cold controlled world Orvel describes in his book  “1984’’ sooner than we can imagine..

Read the full article here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2019/07/26/the-encryption-debate-is-over-dead-at-the-hands-of-facebook/#490c1d675362

P.S. Hope that this section of forum is correct for this thread.
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Tracking the mining rigs on: July 08, 2019, 10:05:37 PM


What information do you have about said rigs to go from?

Lets assume that I have nothing. Is it possible to get the location from publicly accessible data?
Lets keep it simple stupid.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Tracking the mining rigs on: July 08, 2019, 10:02:32 PM
Hi, I hope that I am in the right spot.

I would like to understand if it is possible to research where to rigs are located? ( approximate geographic location)
Is it possible ?

If the answer is yes, I am happy to read your suggestions.
8  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Could a No-Deal Brexit Fuel another Bitcoin Rally? on: July 08, 2019, 09:29:43 PM
I don't see what Brexit has got to do with Bitcoin. Unless you think that it will accelerate the death of the Euro and the EU asset strippers. The UK will be immensely stronger once it has regained its independence and self-determination. It is likely that the bankers will create their own replacement for the Euro, and reluctance to accept that could boost Bitcoin.

They will not be stronger. Businesses are already suffering from different problems , one of which is lack of good workforce.
Those foreigners which some Brits hate so much are going elsewhere like Germany. But wait, who will work in their fields when all the foreigners are gone? no one because most British people do not want the dirty jobs!

EU gives enormous economical benefits for those who participate in the Union. British are already searching for other unions which are the same as European union only with less benefits and less responsibilities. Noone likes to sit in customs , no business likes customs and taxes!

BTW . Check the BTC chart date when british voted for leaving, Bitcoin had huge gains. There is a possibility that part of GBP will exit to BTC again.
9  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How to not care what the society thinks? on: July 08, 2019, 09:22:24 PM
Not giving a fuck what anyone thinks about you is having true freedom.

ok, but how about what people think or not about you as a person or your action but about other matters.

For example how not to care about what they think of global warming or some kind of obvious political manipulation which they can not see?
This is the most frustrating thing. I will take the global warming as example.

There are people out there which cant be educated about this topic they simply refuse to hear the simple science arguments, they just cant be convinced.
You can say that fuck them, but isnt this our responsibility to educate them?..
10  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Redddit Just Exposed the Entire Hong Kong Government" on: July 08, 2019, 09:16:45 PM
"Redddit Just Exposed the Entire Hong Kong Government"

https://www.youtube.com/embed/P_9ualy9x6U

Emmmm... Mindblow.

If I think of all the things Chinese government has done over the years, i believe that this could be true. And there is definitely some level of staging done there , there is proof!

I dont scroll the Reddit, so thanks for sharing.
11  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? on: July 08, 2019, 08:58:31 PM
completely and totally agree with you!

He is very dangerous and people can not overstate it! NATO state working with Russian military is just unacceptable.
This just shows what he is all about, he is power hungry guy with dictation in mind , he has no friends in free countries so he is turning to people with the same ideas - Putin.

But what are the option for other countries? The best they can do is not to give Turkey information and new technology.
12  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Opinions on death penalty? on: July 08, 2019, 08:53:02 PM
I am against it!
Because the system is not perfect and there are plenty of cases where people have been justified after they have been convicted this is why death penalty is not reasonable.
13  Other / Archival / Re: should trump abolish propriety tax? on: July 08, 2019, 08:51:15 PM
I mean this not cool ! you buy a piece of land and it can be taken from you because you can't keep up with inflation... because you have a frugal life sustain by minimal income... it's very unjust... what do you think of the prorpiety tax ?

Do you own the land or not? or is it just a lease? at least be clear from the title...

that's the nuke in the real estate market...

This is not problem only in the US. In Eastern Euroupe we have the same problem, at this point in my city there is possibilty that the tax will go up drastically and we wont be able to pay it. Yes we have large house but we paid for the land, we poured sweat and money thru the years to build the house we live in and now we have to pay tax, this is just stupid and injustice. OKay, it is reasonable to pay some tax as part for street reconstruction and lighting but in some cases the tax is just ridiculously high, not every one who has built their homes can afford to pay the tax.
14  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A world without borders? on: June 26, 2019, 03:11:34 PM

And that is the whole point.

If borders were abolished there would be a mass influx of cheap labor to the cities. City wide borders could pop up based on people's skills and the maximum number of people a city could support. I think the world would become more efficient that way. But you never know, evil finds its way to surface mysteriously often even in the most unlikely places.

What is the whole point?

Economic migration is restricted by market conditions, if there is not enough work, people wont go there.
If the Journey is too far , people wont do it, because they wont have the means.
15  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel wants to extort 300,000,000,000 dollars from Poland on: June 20, 2019, 02:26:12 PM
I dont think that Isreal deserves this money, as the OP states, the Jews were Polish citizens and it just seems that Isreal just wants to get money from Poland. It there is no heirs, then sorry but the heritage goes to the government.
16  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why does your Country suck? on: June 20, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
I envy you lucky Canadian. In the EU it's much worse and if you were to live in Eastern Europe you'd probably cry yourself to death, judging by how you're crying about your current conditions. I'll give you a hint how to notice the differences. Take an average EU country and compare how much people are earning there and what are the prices in stores.
Take Germany for instance, which is a pretty good economy and a rich country. Wages are similar to what you have in Canada, but max income tax is 42%! There's also vat, but in Canada it can be as low as 5% in some provinces, in some it's up to 15%. In Germany it's 19%! Go to one of the poorer EU member countries and you'll see it's much worse there. You need to travel a bit to understand how easy your life is.


I will give you the same remedy you are giving the guy who lives in Canada. For full transparency , I live in Eastern Europe.

If you feel like you live badly in the Eastern Europe, pack a bag, buy a ticket to India or Bangaldesh, get a visa and take a look how people live there. Make yourself understand that high taxes in Europe are nothing compared to living standards in poorest regions of the world where BILLIONS live.
17  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Iran shoots down a U.S. drone on: June 20, 2019, 02:13:48 PM

I'm just offended that it costed $187 million.

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The US Navy has ordered 68 of the aircraft, which had a reported total program cost of $12.7 billion.

https://editi[Suspicious link removed]/politics/live-news/iran-us-drone-shot-down-latest-intl/index.html

That's.... a nonsensical amount of money. It should be able to dodge missiles for that price. Hell, it should be invisible.

187 Million USD for one drone is just outrageous. I tought that 70-100 million USD per one new F-35 fighter is a lot, but the drones are costing 2 times that.

Speaking about the response, I doubt that US will respond with a strike, they would risk huge military escalations.
18  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How to Reduce the Size of Government on: June 19, 2019, 08:52:37 PM
Let the platform that a candidate runs on be a contract with the people. When he is elected, if he doesn't do what he said in his platform contract, execution. If he is literally stopped by the opposition from a timely follow-through, so it isn't entirely his fault, life in prison immediately.

When the next person in line takes over after the first guy has been executed/imprisoned, he has a choice. Fulfill the platform contract of the first guy, be executed/imprisoned like the first guy... except if he voluntarily immediately resigns without taking office.


This is barbaric Cheesy

You are suggesting how to fight false promises not how to reduce government size.

Since the tittle talk about size of government, I want to say that the main problem of Government size is that people working there are not motivated to reach goals compared to private sector.
19  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A world without borders? on: June 19, 2019, 08:43:56 PM

Labor costs- Without borders, there would be no place to hold people to cheap labor.  In that situation, the full cost of labor would have to be paid globally.  Even if you kept most borders but eliminated borders within the global south, it would be problematic.  In the current system, companies can force workers in thailand to eat the costs under the threat of moving elsewhere.  If Thailand doesn't like it, they can simply move to Vietnam.  Without borders between these countries, there would be nowhere to run and the companies would have to pay the true cost of labor.  

Environmental costs Where would we send our trash and pollution if there were no borders?  It is not a coincidence that the countries who benefit from pollution are not the countries who suffer the consequences of it.  We are consuming the environment without having to assume the costs of that consumption.  


Hmm, lets take a deeper look at your arguments.

Labour costs and environmental costs, they very often are the same. Garbage is sent to the locations where labour is cheap, in this way it can be sorted cheaply. Good example is Bangladesh and ship breakage.

I highly doubt that the main reason is economical one. Because cheap labor is geographically restricted. Again good example is India, there are not much options for people living there get to Europe or USA, because they just dont have the means to travel that far.

Argument for economical benefits without borders- most countries are trying to get trade deals with each other to overcome economical hurdles made of border restrictions.
20  Other / Politics & Society / Re: WHY CHOOSE RELIGION OVER HUMANITY on: June 19, 2019, 08:32:13 PM
Many extremists taking the life of people all in the name of religion, why?

Fear.
Fear leads to following rules , religion is just set of rules and " truths" by which live by.

The extremism is the next level and might as well be a complex issue why these people turn pure stupid evil.
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