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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PASC] PascalCoin, deletable blockchain & bank account system [PASA] on: January 27, 2017, 10:21:32 PM
i read the first 40 pages but could not find an answer.

The amount of accounts is limited to 29 million. So the max amount of individuals that can use pascalcoin is 29 million people. This coin is a failure unless it is adopted by a country with a steady 29 million inhabitants.

So can the dev answer if it is possible (by hard fork) to increase the amount of accounts?


86 million will be the total, read the OP

5 accounts per block, forever.

https://twitter.com/PascalCoin/status/824749832896126976
2  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 01, 2011, 01:12:05 AM
Ok I shouldn't say it's zero, but negligible, not much higher than zero.  I especially objected to you using 20%, etc.  You're talking a fraction of a percent, so it's actually not all that useful to talk about.  Nice try though.
Not useful? How about you post the first 13 digits of your 16 digit credit card number. That means I'd have a 1 in 1000 chance (.1%) to guess your credit card number. Care to try me?
Sorry I don't use credit cards only bitcoins...  Why don't you go ahead and attack the chain with whatever GPUs you have, you got a shot after all...
3  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 01, 2011, 12:49:47 AM
Ok I shouldn't say it's zero, but negligible, not much higher than zero.  I especially objected to you using 20%, etc.  You're talking a fraction of a percent, so it's actually not all that useful to talk about.  Nice try though.

I should have really trimmed out that quote chain...

I'm not claiming 20% is a potential attack, that was someone else. I just wanted to provide a USEFUL response to your statement instead of the X-Files face palm someone else gave.
Sorry my bad I was responding to you as if your were the facepalm guy.
4  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 01, 2011, 12:47:48 AM
Well sure, that can and will happen, but the new competing currency must first be superior to devalue the old currency, as the failures of Ixcoin and I0coin have demostrated. The primary purpose of this currency is as a means of exchange rather than a store of value anyway so a new superior currency would be embraced, not fought.

Well the point is that there is no security in the fact that your original currency is "limited".  If a new superior currency comes along, your original coins will be worthless, that's pretty deflationary.

Saving as in "holding your money on your wallet" is discouraged, saving as in "trying to maintain your purchasing power somehow" is not. The only thing that changes is the way to save; instead of just holding it you buy assets like stocks, bonds, ETFs, commodities, etc.

True, and if you guys are able to have stocks, bonds, etc. available when you launch I'll be impressed and buy some coins  Smiley.  The general concept is interesting, I just feel this works better in the short term weak economy environment, it would definitely help our current economic situation.  The question is would it work long term, and what effect would all that spending have in a good economy?  What are the long term consequences.  I don't know.
5  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 01, 2011, 12:29:41 AM
As can 49%, 40%, 20%, etc., they just have zero chance of succeeding.
Fixed it for ya
You seem to misunderstand now cryptocurrencies work. Read over http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance and come back when you understand it.
Variance has nothing to do with it.  You can't create the longest chain if you have less hashing power than the rest of the network.  It's one of the most basic concepts of the current design of crypto-currencies actually.
childish attempt at humor removed
Yeah real useful response thanks.

Here's a more useful one:

Variance means that even with less than 51% of the hashing power you have a chance, albeit a smaller one, to disrupt the chain. For example, a bunch of people freaked out some weeks ago because the Bitcoin chain managed to get... I think it was like 3 blocks in a 10 second period? People also often freak if there's the occasional hour between blocks, but this has happened MANY times without a drop in hashing power.

Think of it this way: Take, say, a d12 for roll playing, and assume you and several players are sitting at a table, and to "win" the game you have to roll a 1. The average chance of you rolling a 1 is going to be 1 in 12, but...

You could roll that 1 result twice in a row, or, you could get 24 rolls in a row... that come up with a different number. In a large enough sample set, with a truly balanced die to roll, it'll just about always be "even" among the different numbers, but if you're looking at just a few rolls in a row...

If you play many games with dice, cards, etc, it only takes a moment of pondering that before you can realize that if you were to roll that die 12 times, it's quite possible for you to _NOT_ get each number exactly one time.

Now imagine the block chain lottery as rolling a die with 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639936 sides... (Someone correct me if I'm remembering wrong and it's not a 256 bit hash in use, please.)
Ok I shouldn't say it's zero, but negligible, not much higher than zero.  I especially objected to you using 20%, etc.  You're talking a fraction of a percent, so it's actually not all that useful to talk about.  Nice try though.
6  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
As can 49%, 40%, 20%, etc., they just have zero chance of succeeding.
Fixed it for ya
You seem to misunderstand now cryptocurrencies work. Read over http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance and come back when you understand it.
Variance has nothing to do with it.  You can't create the longest chain if you have less hashing power than the rest of the network.  It's one of the most basic concepts of the current design of crypto-currencies actually.

Yeah real useful response thanks.
7  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 10:24:39 PM
As can 49%, 40%, 20%, etc., they just have zero chance of succeeding.
Fixed it for ya
You seem to misunderstand now cryptocurrencies work. Read over http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance and come back when you understand it.
Variance has nothing to do with it.  You can't create the longest chain if you have less hashing power than the rest of the network.  It's one of the most basic concepts of the current design of crypto-currencies actually.
8  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 08:16:34 PM
In this currency the available supply will always be close to 100% of the base because demurrage is taken from every address and given back to miners as part of the block reward. So money that got locked up due to lost private keys will slowly get back in circulation.

But someone will still create a new currency at some point to compete with it once your coins become valuable enough or too hard to mine, I wasn't really talking about lost coins.  The supply of coins from the new network would diminish the value of your coins.

  Savings and loaning out savings are an important part of economic growth, demurrage provides a disincentive for this.
What? Loaning out your savings is certainly encouraged by demurraged. If you just leave your money sitting in your wallet then you'll slowly lose it.
I should say savings is discouraged, which in turn would diminish lending since money to lend comes from savings.  Of course a bank would pay enough interest to cover fees on the savings, but I guess it would also raise interest rates.  Of course I doubt there would be any banks for your new currency for a good long while, if ever.  Basically holding your money is heavily discouraged, I'm not sure if this is always a desirable result.  Maybe you're right in that there is a benefit to it, but this hasn't been proven.  It all comes down to again convincing people to jump on board, which is hard enough to do with crypto-currency without having the added complexity of demurrage.
9  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 06:29:31 PM

Creating clones of a currency doesn't make the original non-deflationary as they are not part of the same network.

The effect of demurrage on people's purchasing power is basically the same as inflation so I don't see why they wouldn't be able to accept it. Currencies with demurrage have already been successfully introduced by the way.

People can start using the other network, and once supply of the original currency gets low there will be powerful incentive to do so.  We are starting to see that already to a certain extent with Bitcoin.  Nobody has studied the long term effects of demurrage.  Savings and loaning out savings are an important part of economic growth, demurrage provides a disincentive for this.  Also again the problem of the average person understanding this, and then wanting to pay just to hold on to their money.  I wish you guys luck, but I just don't see it happening.
10  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 06:23:56 PM
As can 49%, 40%, 20%, etc., they just have zero chance of succeeding.
Fixed it for ya
11  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 05:37:44 PM
I think what makes the alt currencies silly is their transparency in that they only exist because people are trying to get in "early" on something like bitcoin in an effort to make the same money that BTC early adopters did. Thus far, none of these alt currencies offer anything that bitcoin can't in the near future.

So basically you have a bunch of people who are driven by greed. I mean, might as well start investing in Testnet too, right? What's the conversion rate there?  Tongue
Everyone is driven by greed, this argument gets a little tiresome.  All these forks tried something different to implement what they felt was an improvement over Bitcoin.  I agree that is many cases this wasn't much improvement at all, but if you are angry that someone is making money, who cares?  Let them make money, how is that hurting you?  If you think an alternate currency is no good tell us why, not just that you don't like the fact that someone besides you is making money.
12  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 05:24:28 PM
If you're walking into a store you're going to expect verification in less than a minute, that's what you get with credit cards or cash.
While you are correct with cash, you are not with credit cards. Credit cards take at least a day to actually confirm. The "instant" verification that credit cards do is no different from a 0/unconfirmed Bitcoin transaction.
No it's not.  An authorization confirms that you have held the funds on the card.  After an authorization you do a capture to actually have the funds transferred, and then they will use ACH to transfer funds to your account, which takes a few days but that's just the time an ACH takes.  The settlement of all your transactions happens at the end of the day, but an authorization guarantees the funds are good.
13  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 04:59:18 PM
I believe both Bitcoin and its clones will fail to reach mainstream acceptance because they have a serious economic flaw, which is that deflation severely hurts investment and borrowing. I think a deflationary currency with demurrage will have better luck at stimulating economic growth.
There is no such thing as a deflationary crypto-currency, anyone can create more of them.  I don't see people going for a currency with demurrage realistically, I can see the deer in the headlights look already trying to explain that to the average person.
14  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 04:24:11 PM
Bottom line is this, ten minutes is too long.  If you want to just keep trading these things among yourselves fine, if you want these to actually be widely used in the real world this problem has to be solved.  And no I'm not letting anyone walk off with my stuff with zero confirmations, or even just one confirmation.  And my customer isn't going to sit there for an hour to wait to leave with the stuff he's trying to buy.  Bitcoin with 10 minute confirmations is a niche currency for certain internet transactions, at best.

Are you just stating this as a general problem or are you suggesting that SolidCoin solves/helps with this problem? SolidCoin has 3 minutes between blocks, right? I don't see how that makes much of a difference. The thing is, you still need to take variance into account. Sure, on average you have a block every 3 minutes. But that means that for a 95 % chance of finding a block, you need to wait about 9 minutes (math here: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=-log%281-0.95%29%2F%281%2F3minutes%29 ). Which in turn means, that in 5 % of the cases you actually have to wait even longer than 9 minutes. So what have we really gained?

Sure, there might be situations where "wait for a little while" (SolidCoin) is acceptable whereas "wait for quite some time" (Bitcoin) would not be. But I can't think of that many situations to see this as much of an advantage.
It's a general problem.  I give credit to CoinHunter for trying to solve the problem at least, but I'm not sure it's the right/best solution.  It's just something the community needs to think about.  I would love to see this solved in Bitcoin rather than a fork, but if it takes a fork then so be it.  At the very least the forks are sparking some debate and possibly leading to improvements.

If you're walking into a store you're going to expect verification in less than a minute, that's what you get with credit cards or cash.  Ten minutes plus isn't going to work.  If I take an order over the phone, pretty much same deal.  The only situation it would work is where I take an order over the internet and ship it the next day.  I have even taken orders over the internet late in the day and quickly packed an order and dropped it off at UPS to try to provide good service, that would even be tough to do.

15  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 04:12:28 PM
The amount of time is irrelevant, it is the amount of blocks you know have made it onto the block chain that gives you confidence.  Six confirmations is six confirmations, weather it took an hour or fifteen minutes.  After six confirmations there is very little risk that your transaction is going to end up on an orphan block, and as long as difficulty is in balance you are not going to have blocks solved every few seconds.

Yeah Bansal != Satoshi.
Hey this guy can code!  And how do you know?
16  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 02:10:15 PM
ITT: people think mining 6 1-minute blocks in a row is as difficult as mining 6 10-hours blocks in a row
Unless I missed something, then that's correct, but only if you interpret it in a certain way.
With the same relative hashpower vs. the rest of the network, over the same # of blocks, chances of finding X blocks in a row are the same, doesn't matter if avg. time/block is 10 seconds or 10 days.
But... wouldn't a theoretical attacker care more about how much time it takes to get a successful double-spend instead of how many blocks?

Either way you would have to put together 51% of the hashpower of the network to pull it off, I guess longer blocks could make the attack more inconvenient, but they would probably still do it if they had the capability.

Bottom line is this, ten minutes is too long.  If you want to just keep trading these things among yourselves fine, if you want these to actually be widely used in the real world this problem has to be solved.  And no I'm not letting anyone walk off with my stuff with zero confirmations, or even just one confirmation.  And my customer isn't going to sit there for an hour to wait to leave with the stuff he's trying to buy.  Bitcoin with 10 minute confirmations is a niche currency for certain internet transactions, at best.
17  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: August 31, 2011, 03:48:05 AM
* Far too fast block timing - after all you still have to wait ~1 hour to be sure, no matter if it takes 6 10 minute blocks or 60 1 minute blocks, they are equivalent from a security point of view

Not exactly an accurate statement and a common misconception, while you may need some more transactions to be "fool proof" the real key here is with network propogation, and solidcoin does propogate transactions through the network faster than bitcoin, which does help it become more secure essentially giving the potential attacker less time to initiate a double spend that *MAY* be able to overtake the first.
Why would solidcoin block propagate faster if they are built the same as bitcoin blocks? With similar size they will even be a tiny bit slower, as there are more headers per hour... Generating 60 1-minute blocks is still as hard as generating 6 10-minute blocks. To be as secure as 6 Bitcoin confirmations you still need as many confirmations as the *scamcoin generates per hour on average.

With high block frequency you run into more forks, more scalability issues (propagation really is the key here - and already on Bitcoin with just a few thousand nodes it can take a few seconds until a block has propagated) and SC still doesn't solve the issue that transaction relaying is not rewarded/encouraged in any way.
The amount of time is irrelevant, it is the amount of blocks you know have made it onto the block chain that gives you confidence.  Six confirmations is six confirmations, weather it took an hour or fifteen minutes.  After six confirmations there is very little risk that your transaction is going to end up on an orphan block, and as long as difficulty is in balance you are not going to have blocks solved every few seconds.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Relax] - A todo list of Cryptocurrencies on: August 30, 2011, 06:19:01 PM
SovietCoin - All your coins go to the government

In Soviet Russia, blocks mine you!

LOL, nice
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] SolidCoin - new and improved block chain. Secure from pools on: August 30, 2011, 04:32:36 PM
Solidcoin won't fail. Coinhunter has done really good job setting this game up Smiley. The same people talking crap now will be shooting themselves in the head in 6 months knowing they could have bought at these prices. I think all cryptography will have a place in the future, and anyone thinking there is only room for one is a fucking moron.

Pardon my french...

I agree, the objection to SolidCoin and all the other forks seems to be more of a moral one rather than an intellectual one.  It's basically "Satoshi was a genius, what have you done?  Why should you make any money?"  I agree with most of what CoinHunter has done, except for the lower number of coins.  This whole Bitcoins/Solidcoins/whatever scarcity tactic is BS.  Once difficulty or prices get too high, somebody will create a fork.  I could create more solidcoins today by taking the existing code and creating a new genesis block.  They wouldn't technically be SolidCoins, but they would accomplish the same thing and work exactly the same way.  So I don't really see what limiting the supply of coins accomplishes, it actually makes it more likely to fail in the long run in my opinion.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Solidcoin to USD exchange on: August 29, 2011, 01:02:19 AM
There is no bounty for this because the people who can set it up get a lot of reward from the visitors, and a ~$1000 bounty isn't really going to entice them. Ruxum will have added USD support soon and 2 more exchanges are looking at adding it. I've also discussed this with MTGOX and they appear interested but are waiting on some checkpoints to be reached first.

Part of what needs to be done to make any cryptocurrency successful globally is finding easier ways to get traditional fiat money into the system. I hope to find a solution to this with SolidCoin.
Will really depend on the volume, with Mt. Gox bitcoin level of volume it is definitely worth it, with the volume that the lesser bitcoin exchanges do honestly not sure that it is worth it.  I will probably still end up doing it, bounty would have been nice though...  Smiley
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